Date: September 1, 2011
Title: The Moon Does Not Spin on Its Axis
Podcaster: Steve Nerlich
Organization: Cheap Astronomy
Link: www.cheapastro.com
Description: Cheap Astronomy attempts to dismantle a prevailing, though not altogether logical, astronomy anecdote. You can read Steve’s article on WASP 12b at Universe Today at this link.
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Transcript:
Hi this is Steve Nerlich from Cheap Astronomy www.cheapastro.com and this is The Moon does not spin on its axis.
It is my pleasure and privilege to be a junior member of the writing team for the fabulous Universe Today website – and one day wrote on story on a recent speculative finding that the exoplanet WASP12-b had a magnetosphere – and just to give the story a bit of balance, I naively finished with a speculative statement of my own which said:
There is at least one puzzle here, not really testable from such a distance. Presuming that a planet so close to its star is probably tidally-locked, it would not be spinning on its axis – which is generally thought to be a key feature of planets generating strong magnetic fields – at least the ones in our Solar System.
So that all seemed fine – and then I clicked publish – and then, the horror… as the comments started flowing in. Suddenly I felt like Galileo in front of the Inquisition – Recant! Heretic! – or some misshapen wretch pursued by villagers with pitchforks. Folks, I had committed the eighth deadly sin of outreach astronomy – suggesting that a tidally locked object in orbit does not spin on its axis.
So here’s the deal. Let’s say you’re standing on the surface of the Moon. I think we can at least agree that the Moon is tidally locked in Earth orbit – only ever showing one face to the Earth as it goes around and around.
Now, it certainly true that on the surface of the Moon you would experience a diurnal cycle with sunrises and sunsets about two weeks apart – and the star field would appear to rotate around you. However from one and from only one side of the Moon you would see this big blue planet that just hung there not moving. At your lunar midnight its face would be fully lit, that is a full Earth while at your lunar midday it would it’s face would be completely dark, that is a new Earth.
So, just on this basis, no-one should have a problem with the fact that the Moon is rotated through 360 degrees for every orbit it makes around the Earth. What I don’t get at all is the conclusion that it therefore spins once on its axis for every orbit it makes around the Earth.
And look I acknowledge am a complete heretic on this one. If you google Moon spins on its axis you will find hundreds of websites confirming this to be true – including Wikipedia.
Well, there is at least one possible exception. The inimitable Dr Phil Plait discusses the issue as follows:
Bad astronomy: The Moon only shows one face to us because it is not rotating.
Better astronomy: The Moon only shows one face because it is rotating, once every time it revolves around the Earth. (I prefer saying ‘is being rotated’, but OK)
Best astronomy: The Moon does not appear to rotate in the reference frame where the Earth-Moon line is fixed in direction, but it does rotate as seen by an outside observer. (Exactly)
This is a well articulated explanation and in my view defines a solution for how we should describe the behaviour of a tidally locked object in orbit. It is being rotated, as a consequence of it being fixed – not spinning – fixed into a tidally locked orbit.
So sure, there is a particular frame of reference you can choose where you will observe the Moon to rotate – and seemingly on its axis, but there are equally valid frames of reference, like from the surface of the Earth, where it most definitely does not rotate. All these perspectives are correct. So, before you should say anything about rotating (or spinning), you need to refer that statement to a particular frame of reference.
So, that’s my first point – if you want to insist that the Moon is spinning on its axis you have to first specify the frame of reference from which you are drawing that conclusion – because there are some frames of reference in which you will be wrong.
And from there, let’s do a bit of a thought experiment. Imagine the Moon really was spinning on its axis. And come on, you know exactly what I mean by that statement.
If the Moon really was spinning on its axis then not only would there be sunrises and sunsets, and not only would the star field appear to rotate, but the big blue planet Earth in the sky would also appear to rotate about you.
Even more importantly, let’s imagine this Moon had a molten interior. If it was really spinning (and come on, you still know what I mean) really spinning on its axis, then that molten interior would also spin potentially generating a magnetosphere through the sort of dynamo-like effects that produce magnetospheres.
Now if instead this imaginary Moon with a molten interior is tidally locked in orbit – and hence is just being rotated through 360 degrees once per orbit, you are not going to get that same effect. Instead the molten contents will predominantly experience an outwardly-directed centrifugal force, which will always be directed towards the same side of the Moon at all points along its orbit.
So there are fundamental physical and dynamic differences between an object that is really spinning on its axis and one that is tidally locked and is being rotated once every orbit. That’s my second point.
My third point is this issue of the Moon rotating – or spinning if you must – on its axis. What axis? OK if you look at the Moon being rotated once for every one of its orbits – sure it’s being rotated in a particular plane – being its orbital plane around the Earth. Then I suppose you could imagine there’s a line running through its middle, perpendicular to its orbital plane that, from a very specific frame of reference, might appear to be its axis of rotation.
But then look at the Earth – which is really spinning on its axis – and we know that its axis is tilted to its orbital plane around the Sun. I mean no-one is jumping up and down saying – oh no, the Earth’s real axis is an imaginary line perpendicular to its orbital plane.
And you know why no-one’s saying that? Because the Earth really does spin on its axis. It’s an intrinsic spin – a real, proper spin. I don’t have to refer to an absurdly specific frame of reference from which it looks like it’s spinning. It is spinning. From nearly every frame of reference you can imagine – it’s spinning and on its axis and everyone agrees where that axis is. I mean, come on.
Ahem, sorry. If anyone would like to comment on this podcast, please write to: MoonNotSpinningOnItsAxis@BurningAtTheStake.com
Thanks for listening. This is Steve Nerlich from Cheap Astronomy, www.cheapastro.com. Cheap Astronomy offers an educational website where we said the Pioneer anomaly was a load of old bullocks too*. No ads, no profit, just good science. Bye.
(*on 365 Days of Astronomy 15 December 2009: http://365daysofastronomy.org/2009/12/15/december-15th-anomalies/.)
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While you seem to understand what is going on, your semantic choices are odd and non-standard. Only in a rotating frame of reference is the Moon not spinning on its axis. In an inertial frame of reference, it assuredly does rotate about its axis. Since inertial frames trend to be cleaner ones in which to talk about physics, and crucially are the ones relevant when you want to decide if a body had a magnetic field, it really isn’t correct to say that the moon doesn’t soon on it’s axis.
Thank you Rob Knop.
There is ONLY ONE frame of reference that represents AXIS rotation. Period.
To claim anything else is equals philosophizing that red is green.. AXIS rotation is a spin of an object relative to it’s own axis. A child in elementary school is taught this. The only way we can observe moon’s rotation on it’s axis is thus relative to it’s own axis and that LITTERALLY means that it’s NOT spinning on its axis.
Tie a ball to a thread and “spin” it arround your finger. The ball is not rotating on it’s axis. Neither is the moon. A tidal lock does NOT equal axis rotation under any circumstances.
Refusing to keep science precise and accurate (especially something’s simple as this) is as ignorant as refusing to believe it at all.
Let me point out that the problem is not at all whether we all understand what is happening with the moon.
The problem is in a concensus over what AXIS rotation means.
When an average person asks “is moon rotating on its axis” or “why do we always see the same side of the moon” or similar, to answer “beause the moon is spinning on its axis” is not even scratching the surface of objectivity. They are certainly not wandering if that presupposes inertial frame of reference. They are observing it from where they stand.
And, even relative to a “Jupiter view” it still does not spin on IT’S axis. It spins on Earth’s axis.
Kristina – If we land an astronaut on the centre of the far side of the moon from Earth (which is always the SAME side of the moon) and leave the astronaut there for a period of one month, the astronaut will not see Earth during that period, UNLESS, of course, the moon BEGAN to spin itself around on its own axis.(!)
And yes,: “‘There is ONLY ONE frame of reference that represents AXIS rotation.’ and that
is :
“AXIS rotation is a spin of an object RELATIVE TO it’s OWN axis.” (my caps).
I don’t think many people understand what the word
‘relative’ means! What to do?
Sir Fred Hoyle, in his book ‘The Nature of the Universe’ merely mentioned how it is that the moon does not spin on its own axis in this, simple, way:
If the moon was hit obliquely, it would BEGIN to turn and we on Earth would see its other side.
Try using Foucault’s pendulum, next time we visit the moon! We can then be certain (as certain as we are that Earth DOES spin on its own axis) that the moon – does not!
I am in agreement that people seem to have truly forgotten the meanings of the terms, rotate, spin, and revolve. The Moon revolves, its face is always facing us, ALWAYS, That means to me that it is revolving not rotating. Check it out, like this, Have you friend stand still, and spin, not fast enough to get dizzy, but have them spin as if it would take them 24 minutes, Minutes = hours in this case, to spin all the way around once, so during this experiment they probably wont move very far. Also we are leaving the sun out so they don’t have to tilt. Now you being the moon will face your friend and walk around counterclock wise always facing him, of course your speed would take 27.7 hours so skip relativity, and speed up everything, keeping your face towards the object, friend, while revolving. now explain how YOU are rotating, spinning, you are NOT. Revolving yes, rotating no