Date: January 6, 2010
Title: Fighting the 2012 Hoax
Podcaster: Bill Hudson
Links: http://2012hoax.org
Music by Kevin MacLeod: http://www.incompetech.com/
Description: Bill Hudson from 2012hoax.org issues a call to action for all amateur astronomers, stargazers, and people just interested in space science. The 2012 doomsday hoax is gaining traction in a vulnerable population: school children.
Bio: Bill Hudson is an amateur astronomer in California. He has spent the last decade looking up, and is involved in astronomy outreach programs in the California central coast area. He is the publisher of 2012hoax.org, a wiki that seeks to document and debunk all of the doomsday rumors surrounding the year 2012.
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Transcript:
This is Bill Hudson from 2012hoax.org. I’m very happy to be participating in the 2010 edition of the “365 days of astronomy” podcast. This is the first of 4 episodes that I’ve signed up for over the course of the year, and I hope to have some guests with me on future episodes. Today I’m going to be talking about a subject that is very important to me, and from the title of this episode, as well as the name of the website, you can probably guess that I’m going to talk about 2012. However, this is not a “2012 debunking “ episode, those will come later in the year. This is a call to arms, or a call to action.
If you are listening to this podcast, then you are interested in astronomy in some way. Many of you are amateur astronomers, like I am. You might be in a local astronomy club, or perhaps you are an occasional stargazer, or are just interested in astronomy in general without actually having astronomy as a hobby. Regardless of your level of participation, your interest in astronomy makes you uniquely qualified to debunk the “2012 doomsday” nonsense. So… I’m calling on you to help.
I became interested in the “2012 doomsday” nonsense because of my outreach into local schools, where I go into elementary school classrooms and give a talk on astronomy. I’ve been doing that for about 4 years. A couple of years ago I started getting a lot of questions from the kids about “the end of the world” and whether it was going to happen in 2012. I have spent a great deal of my free time in 2009 researching and debunking the various “2012 doomsday” rumors, and writing about them on 2012hoax.org. There are several people who are writing content for the site, and that is a big help, but I’m not here today to ask for more authors. What I am here to do today is to challenge you.
It is not enough to write about why the “2012 doomsday” is nonsense on a website. One website, or ten, or even a hundred, can’t compete with the vast sea of nonsense that is the “2012 phenomenon”. Sites like Yahoo!Answers and YouTube are full of people saying all kinds of crazy things about what will happen in 2012. There are thousands of videos on YouTube predicting various catastrophic events.
Even that is not as pervasive and persuasive as the shows that are playing on various cable and satellite channels. Channels such as the History Channel that once could be relied on to show quality programming have bowed to the pressure of ratings, and are now showing things like “Nostradamus 2012”, which is essentially an hour long brain-numbing mix of misleading statements, bad science, and outright falsehoods.
All of this has lead to what is perhaps the most persuasive vector of disinformation: Word of mouth. Consider that companies spend quite a bit of money in attempting to get a new movie or product to “go viral”, where people tell their friends about it. The marketing executives know that if your cousin tells you something, then you are more likely to listen than if a complete stranger tells you the same thing, and that if your parent or child or sibling tells you the same thing, you are more likely to listen than if it was your cousin.
This brings us to the most chilling aspect of this hoax: School kids. As much as this hoax has spread among adults, it is running like a wildfire through schools, especially at the upper elementary and junior high level, propelled by word of mouth. Kids are telling other kids that “the world is ending in 2012” and that the adults are keeping it secret. This appears to “sell” really well in the ten to eighteen year old age group, judging from the ages of people leaving comments at 2012hoax.org
So, what are we to do? Obviously, I’ve taken the approach of documenting and debunking, to the best of my ability, all of the 2012 rumors I can lay my eyes on. I hope that the website is useful as a resource, and that it serves to calm people’s fears, but this is not enough. Obviously the audience of the website is limited. Kids who may not have regular internet access are hearing about this from their classmates at school (remember, “Viral Marketing”) What is needed is a way to get the essential information, that the “2012 doomsday” is a hoax, directly to the kids to counteract the rumors.
This is where you come in.
As I said before, I became involved in this through my outreach into the local schools. This is where we can be most effective. I challenge you as amateur astronomers, as astronomy clubs, or as hobbyist stargazers to contact your local schools, libraries or other venues where you can reach a lot of kids, and talk them into letting you do a program on why “2012” is not real.
This is a perfect opportunity to teach these kids the differences between science and rumor. Use it to educate them about how science really works, and introduce the scientific method to them. Talk about things that we know are impossible (such as invisible planets on 3,600 year orbits), but also talk to them about what we know is real.
So, there you have it. This is my challenge to you. I’m throwing down the gauntlet. Get out of your comfort zone. Don’t just shake your head and wonder how this rumor, this hoax, this fraud got to be so widespread, but rather get out and do something about it.
If you think I am taking this way to seriously, then I invite you to read some of the comments in the forums at 2012hoax.org. What I am afraid of is that kids will become so distraught by this hoax that some of them will take their own lives.
So yes, I do take it seriously.
Do you?
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I think the teachers definitely have a responsibility to debunk these hoaxes. After all, here in London, teachers can earn up to 35,000 GBP. Given how much we pay them, surely the least we can expect is for them to stop this kind of baloney from spreading. Parents also have a responsibility, of course. I don’t feel it is my place to do anything in this regard: better to leave it to the professionals.
Bill,
You’ve got my attention. I’ve been looking for ways to promote “rational thinking” among school age children, and developing an assembly on this topic is just the thing to start off with. How do I contact you?
Damian Handzy (damian@handzy.net)
Thank you for this podcast on this topic! I teach high school English in Oklahoma, and I am ASTOUNDED by what some of my kids will believe. I gave them an article I found online about 10 FAILED “end of the world” stories, and that really opened their eyes as to the ACTUAL likelihood of 2012 being the end of the world. I also tell a story about a church in Chicago when I was growing up that sold or gave away all their stuff because they believed the end of the world was coming. They all quit their jobs and stayed at the church together, waiting for the end. This was in the 1980s, and I told my kids, “Wow, they must have felt pretty stupid when the sun rose on schedule the next day!” Then I remind them of the Heaven’s Gate whack jobs (whom they’ve heard of), and I can see the light coming on in their eyes as they realize it’s not true. I wish I had more time to spend on this sort of thing – unfortunately, critical THINKING isn’t one of my state objectives (critical READING is, but there are so many that I can’t justify much more time on thinking critically, as much as they need to hear it).
I can’t wait for your next podcast!
Damian; I can be reached at 2012hoax@gmail.com, or by posting at http://2012hoax.org (which I think you already did).
CelticGoddess13; Thank you! I’m next up on 1/18 and then again on 1/31.
You might like ‘A Brief History of the Apocalypse’ at abhota.info for more failed end of the world predictions.
I think people who does this hoax really looks forward to the word to end. In fact, since nostradamus thing, the 99-00 year change, the millenium bug, and stuff like that, people still wait for something disastrous to happen.
I am really looking forward to the rapture, and the judgment day. This is going to be the heppiest day of my life, because it is going to prove God, and I am sure nothing like disasters will happen. God won’t destroy His own creation like that.
But, thinking astronomically, there was no X-Ray burst near our solar sistem since 3,5 billion of years ago… since life was created. X-ray bursts happens often several billion years. They can’t be predicted or can’t see it coming. How can we be sure that it won’t happen tomorrow or in another billion years?
Thinking like that, we MUST know that one day, in a thousand our a million or billion years, human kind will vanish, and the world as we know will have an end.
But, nobody can say when and how…
I will enjoy my life because I don’t have a billion years to see the end… I am a tiny dust in compared to space and my life is a nano-second compared to universe time.
Talk is cheap…no meat and potato in the podcast
debunk the galactic plane …the more asteroid meetings…greater gravitional encounters..and
solar flares…
not end of the world …but possible hurt to look out for and prepare in case..
no one knows what will happen in 2012 but to many warning from the past..sorry but I will take my chances with them instead of you and the ostriches
The 2012 thing has been blown ridiculously out of proportion. The world will end thousands of years from now, but not on 2012.
So why do people buy in to this crap? Some people WANT the world to end. Disenfranchised people with issues want the world to end. People who can’t deal with reality and are immersed in a morbid fantasy realm in their minds want the world to end. No amount of sound reasoning, logic ,science or even psychiatric therapy can convince them otherwise.
Some people do not want the hysteria to fade away in the light of the truth that the world will not end in 2012. The “end of the world in 2012” concept sells tons of books, movies, TV shows and whatnot. Some “2012 Prophets” ,who were former basement dwellers and are now instant celebrities, have gained a huge following. None of these people want their cash cow and their 15 minutes of fame and glory to end.
All “end of the world” predictions have one thing in common; none of them came true. After 2012 where Nibiru does not materialize, there will be a 2025 end of the world scenario where a “cosmic gamma wave burst” from the center of the galaxy will hit the Earth and end all life as we know it. Then there will be more nonsense in the form of 2025 websites, movies, books and whatnot. Stay tuned.
Rationality within you worldview box is logical. Why are you so extremely skeptal? Your motive to disprove blinds you to greater realities outside of your rational box. 2012 was never a doomsday yet an awakening of spirituality and the beginning of a Golden Age. The “end” of the materialistic rational thought to the beginning universal spiritial consciousness. Open mindedness that seeks to create not destroy and debunk.
If you did not have the ability tp detect radio waves and you had never heard of them, would it be rational to deny it’s existence and never investigate the possibility with an open mind? In your world you would set out to destroy such nonsensical, irrational thought.