Date: November 10, 2009
Title: Wake Up and Smell the Baloney!
Podcaster: Larry Sessions
Organization: None
Description: Some people, upon seeing something unusual in the sky, jump to the conclusion that it must be the result of an extraterrestrial visitation, inter-dimensional travel, or perhaps some secret and sinister government experiment. Carl Sagan used to say, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” and yet in most of these cases, there is no real evidence at all. So should all such claims be dismissed out of hand. Sagan had an answer for that, too. It’s called the “Baloney Detection Kit.”
Bio: Larry Sessions is a former director and staff astronomer at Denver’s Gates and Fort Worth’s Noble planetariums, and now is an instructor for Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Aurora, Colorado. He also is the webmaster and editor for the Southwestern Association of Planetariums, as well as his own website, North American Skies, and a contributor to both Space.com and EarthSky.org. A NASA/JPL “Solar System Amabassador,” he has every copy of the Royal Astronomical Society’s annual handbook since 1971.
Today’s sponsor: This episode of “365 Days of Astronomy” is sponsored by Ed Bode. This podcast is dedicated to two Marines who started me on a lifelong journey seeking knowledge. They took me to Mt. Wilson and Mt. Palomar. Semper Fi, Mom and Dad! “…Ever look on Heaven’s scenes; They will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines.”
Transcript:
Wake up and smell the baloney!
Hi and welcome to this edition of 365 Days of Astronomy. I am Larry Sessions, a former planetarium director, and currently an astronomy instructor in Denver, Colorado. I also occasionally lecture at Gates Planetarium and contribute to astronomical websites. I tweet a lot, too.
Recently I made a comment, via the Internet, to a local TV show about a proposed ballot measure in Denver. The proposal was to establish an “Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission” to help the city and its citizens deal with the potential arrival of aliens from another world. To be honest, I thought the idea was absurd. I said that it was a waste of time and money, and an affront to the intelligence of the people of Denver. Considering the total lack of any scientifically verifiable data or observations on alien visitations, we might just as well have a commission on leprechauns or ghosts. Anyway, I forgot about it, only to receive an email some weeks later that a proponent of this ridiculous idea had written a blog about me, accusing me of being paid by NASA and JPL to squash his proposal. In a sense it was complimentary because it gave the impression – an utterly false impression – that I was some high official in NASA or otherwise a person of great stature in the agency. Still, it was filled with lies and innuendo and was quickly mirrored on other sites and further distorted. It made me hopping mad, but it also struck home about just how unreasonable people can be about their pet ideas.
I would honestly like for real aliens to visit Earth and make their presence known. It would be a fantastic revelation. But the fact remains that there is not one shred of solid, verifiable, scientific evidence of any such visitations today or in the past. Nor is there any good scientific reason to expect it.
This brings me to the point. Science demands evidence. Not just any evidence, but evidence that can be tested or examined in some reasonable way. Personal stories, hypnotic regressions, and potentially faked photos and videos are not good evidence. Effectively, science has adopted the Missourians cry to “Show me the evidence.”
Decades ago, as planetarium director at the Noble Planetarium in Fort Worth, I read of another absurd idea, that at a certain time the planets would line up in a way that would spell disaster for Earth. To my surprise, I learned that this unsubstantiated bit of hogwash was proposed by none other than an astrophysicist recently graduated from the University of Cambridge. Despite the author’s credentials, I knew that there was no evidence or any demonstrated mechanism to validate the idea. Yet as a lowly planetarium director, I needed an ally I could cite when I debunked the planetary alignment folly. So I wrote to Carl Sagan, a PhD astronomer from Cornell, who was just then becoming widely known as a popularizer of science. Expecting a form reply or a short letter from his secretary, I was pleased several weeks later to receive a personal note from Dr. Sagan. He confirmed my opinion of the aforementioned idea. Unfortunately, I never met Carl Sagan, and never corresponded with him again. He died in December, 1996. On November 9, 2009, he would have been 75 years old.
Sagan was a particularly strong and effective debunker of pseudoscience. He demanded “extraordinary evidence” for extraordinary claims. Given the number of stars in the Universe, and the existence of common elements throughout, Sagan felt, as do most astronomers, that the probability of life elsewhere is high. There is certainly a logic to the idea. Yet even today we have no actual evidence of it at all. At best we have faint hints of possible microbial life in Mars rocks. It really seems likely that the Universe is filled with life.
But alien visitations to Earth are a different story. Given the enormous distances between stars, and the great difficulties of physically traveling across those distances, any alien visitation to Earth would indeed be “extraordinary.” (Note that I did not say “impossible.”) But despite all the claims, after more than a half century of intense interest in UFO sightings, there is not even any reasonably good evidence, much less any that is “extraordinary.”
Along about the same time I wrote to Dr. Sagan (and subsequently panned the planetary alignment silliness in a magazine review,) I developed my own ideas of “positive skepticism.” I have written about them in my blog on EarthSky.org. Years later, Dr. Sagan wrote about his “Baloney Detection Kit” in The Demon-Haunted World. Basically he gives guidelines for skeptical thinking. His list was much more substantive and complete than mine, and includes:
- Wherever possible, there must be independent confirmation of the “facts.”
- If there’s a chain of argument, every link in the chain must work (including the premise) – not just most of them.
- Occam’s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler.
- …and much more.
Sagan emphasized the need for controlled experimentation or good evidence. Sagan’s list includes the signs of weak arguments, such as the “ad hominem” or personal attack, the “argument from authority,” and the “appeal to ignorance.”
The Baloney Detection Kit is one of the greatest gifts that Carl Sagan left us. To me, the most important criteria is evidence over argument. You may give me a good and seemingly reasonable argument, but without evidence, the argument is mute. Maybe you’ve heard that “Faith without works is dead,” supposedly uttered by the apostle James. Well, let me paraphrase that to say that “Belief without evidence is baseless.”
Anyone can argue all they want that Jupiter’s influence on Sagittarius will cause the Moon to fall from the sky in 2012 – or whatever the idea is. But without evidence, the argument is utterly irrelevant – not to mention silly in this example.
I know that some listeners will disagree with me, especially about UFO visitations. To them I can only say that it is at least possible that we may some day be visited. Or even that we may already have been visited. But the evidence is lacking. Without evidence, there is no proof. I know that not everyone needs good evidence to believe. After all, most of us believed in Santa Claus at one time. But belief in something does not make it real. Science requires evidence to separate the baloney from the filet mignon, so to speak.
By the way, the planetary alignment mentioned above came and went in March 1982. Well, it wasn’t actually the way it was depicted on the cover of the book. On the book cover, all the planets were lined up in a straight row. In reality, the planets simply were all on the same side of the Sun, but otherwise not “lined up.” And was there a great earthquake that destroyed Los Angeles and much of the rest of the world? Hmmmm. I don’t think so. I think I would have remembered that.
Thanks for listening.
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You can read about Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit in The Demon-Haunted World, or you can find it on line, such as here: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html
You can read my Positive Skepticism here: http://www.mscd.edu/~physics/astro/info/thinking.htm
In addition, you can check out my North American Skies Twitter page: http://twitter.com/NASkies
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Why does everyone insist on falling back on that quote from Carl Sagan? For that matter, Carl Sagan did not coin the phrase, it was Marcello Truzzi who coined the phrase, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof” and Sagan modified it.
For that matter why do y’all hang on those very words when they are just words. Gosh, what would you do or have to back yourself up if you didn’t have those words to use. OMG, you would have to give us extraordinary evidence to the contrary. Well, where is it! The ESA and NASA are looking feverishly so why haven’t they stopped looking for such supposed “nonsense”.
I don’t think what Jeff Peckman is doing is right and I think the City of Denver is off their rocker but that’s the way works I’m afraid and your words must affect the voters and nothing more than that is available. So when are you leaving for Denver?
And by the way, belief without evidence is baseless so we just keep looking, which is why we are still looking because many are suspicious as well as curious.
Dear Blueyeswise,
I did not say or claim that Carl Sagan coined the phrase you are referring to — I just said that he used to say it. And whether you like the words or not, they are a very good philosophy to live by. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, by the way. If someone claims to have seen a 14-foot-tall pink and green mouse with two horns and a third eye at the tip of its tail, I’d certainly say that the person making the claim has the responsibility of providing the proof. I would not believe such a claim without good proof, just become someone claimed it — whether that someone be the president, Rush Limbaugh, the Pope or Neil deGrasse Tyson.
And if you are implying that EA and NASA are looking feverishly for evidence of alien visitations — as in bug-eyed, over-sized light bulbs peering through picture windows into living rooms in the American heartland — you are very mistaken. Yes, they are looking for life in space, but not in the nonsense so often reported by sensationalist media.
Everyone has a right to believe what they choose to believe, but believing in something just because you want it to be true does not make it true. One definition of insanity is doing something that yields the same results over and over and over and expecting a different result the next time. Some repetition is good, even necessary. You don’t want to give up too soon. But with some people it gets out of hand. Consider the situation when someone looks, looks, looks for something and doesn’t find it, and has no evidence and no motivation but their own desire that it be true. Say they are looking at the base of trees, behind rocks or under leaves for Easter Eggs. They don’t find any, but are so obsessed with Easter Eggs that they keep looking and looking. On would think that if an Easter Egg was there anywhere, it would eventually show up, but the hunter keeps looking with no success. In that case, chances are that the Easter Egg hunter is too consider the odds, or relevant factors such as it being the dead of Winter, or being located smack in the middle of Moslem Libya. In my opinion, after a certain level of failure and in the absence of evidence, the sensible person will drop it and go on to something more productive.
Now, that trivial example is not a perfect analogy to the situation with people who are looking for alien visitations, but it illustrates the difference between and obsessive, belief-based approach, and the scientific approach. Science is certainly not isolated from the effects of belief — and should not be — but science is dedicated to evidence and to a logical process. The old and somewhat disgusting saying that “You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip” applies here. The person who is obsessed with bloody turnips will just keep on squeezing every turnip he sees, despite the fact that no blood has ever resulted. The person with a scientific approach will first consider whether it is reasonable to extract blood from a turnip, and if he decides that it might be possible, he (or she) will squeeze a few turnips. After a reasonable number of attempts with no blood, the person of scientific mind will chalk it down to the unlikely column and go on to something more useful.
In the case of ESA and NASA and other organizations and astronomical researchers around the world, they have long since passed any sensible consideration of cartoon aliens appearing in obscure locations on Earth (due to lack of any significant evidence), and instead are emphasizing research in areas that are far more reasonable: earth-like planets orbiting other stars. Granted, the NASA/ESA and scientific approach in general is not as titillating and exciting as the Area 51 claims, but it is certainly more likely to provide more definitive results.
I find such ‘academics’ boring and uninteresting…most still believe that ‘they can’t get here from there (wherever)’ because of Einsteins theory. Did you know that the local galactic neighborhood is literally being mapped for ET life by people like Wendelle Stevens?Arguing about ET life is like arguing against the alphabet when books like the bible have already been written.What I find irritating is the sheeplike tendency for people to follow others in their skepticism without even investigating the facts especially in my Astronomy Club etc. Would you even go to websites like physical UFO Contacts or Theyfly.com? I doubt it as the people who talk loudest about their skepticism are least likely to investigate it.
Dear Fred,
You can deny logic and rational thought in favor wild speculation all you want, but you are wrong about scientific skeptics. Don’t think I have ever investigated things like this? In fact I was a field investigator for the Center for UFO Studies and Dr. J. Allen Hynek in the 70s. It is not closed mindedness that fuels my skepticism, but rather the utter lack of any good evidence in favor of alien visitations. This is not the same as looking at the possibility of life on other planets. And if you have any evidence that faster than light travel is possible, you are welcome to share it. There are indications that it *might* be possible to travel between stars effectively at speeds grater than light without violating relativity, but there is no good evidence. Many, many things are within the realm of possibility, but have no expression in reality. Determining the difference is what science is all about. Believing in unsubstantiated fantasy is what pseudoscience is all about.
I am confused by these comments. Skepticism is still all too rare and this podcast was well done and right on the mark. Me thinks thou doth protesteth too much. If you have a problem with skepticism it is usually because you are uncomfortable with your own cognitive dissonance.
This is NOT the 70s. The Silent Revolution of Truth (a DVD about the ongoing Billy Meir contact…that are more than 50 years old) is available at They Fly.Com. I think I have a pretty skeptical and questioning mindset but I have listened open mindedly to Coast to Coast radio for years (and paid money for it too) so I am a believer…all I ask is that you investigate it open mindedly too.
Another comment…we are not all WACos (but the name of our club is the Whatcom Association of Celestial Observers).Linda Moulton Howe co-founded the Boise Astronomical Society! She has a well developed website Earthfiles.com…Art Bell was an amateur astronomer! He started Coast to Coast Radio years ago(but he is retired). I have a Messier certificate and a Sunspotter certficate and I am working on my Hershel 400s…think about it!
I’d like to make an extraordinary claim. I claim that all people have philosophies, or intuitions, that they try to match with reality. Have it independently confirmed or change it by self-fulfilling prophecy. All we need to do is know that. Know what our own intuitions are and what the other’s are, plus our own and the other’s realizations if there is any wish to be commonsensical or critically rationalist left or -returned.