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    Disturbing News About the Aptera Electric Car

    If this piece is accurate, you can stick a fork in the Aptera electric car.
    How did a woman who the Securities and Exchange Commission says planned one of the largest accounting frauds in US history end up as Chief Financial Officer of Aptera Motors?


    It’s just one of many questions swirling around what appears to be a meltdown in progress at the beleaguered manufacturer of safe, hyper-efficient electric vehicles (see the posts here, and here if you don’t know what’s going on).
    It was an interesting looking design, but if half the information in the article is true, one that'll never see mass production.

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    Wow. Incompetence fest all around.

    Rule 1: Someone who runs two companies into the ground isnt a good choice for CEO

    Rule 2: Someone who gets an SEC investigation is not a good choice for CFO

    How many more companies are these frauds going to run into the ground before people wake up?

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    This reminds me of the story of the Grand Trunk company in Terry Pratchett's Going Postal...
    (English is not my first language, so please excuse any mistakes and unintended ambiguities.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by korjik View Post
    Wow. Incompetence fest all around.

    Rule 1: Someone who runs two companies into the ground isnt a good choice for CEO

    Rule 2: Someone who gets an SEC investigation is not a good choice for CFO

    How many more companies are these frauds going to run into the ground before people wake up?
    those are the only types of people that get to be CEO's of successful companies- but the truly successful CEO's are the ones that can get out with their multi million dollar severance packages right before he company implodes after being very successful for a short period of time..
    as for the "car" in question- i can sum it up in a single 3 letter word:
    meh

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    this does not suprise me at all, although i was one of those lookig to purchase an Aptera, it;s obviously not going to happen

    CEO, CFO's like these two need to be held accountable for thier actions somehow. And where the heck is the founder in all this, he has the largest investment in it so should be firing these poor exec's instead of pandering to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerfan View Post
    If this piece is accurate, you can stick a fork in the Aptera electric car.

    How did a woman who the Securities and Exchange Commission says planned one of the largest accounting frauds in US history end up as Chief Financial Officer of Aptera Motors?

    It’s just one of many questions swirling around what appears to be a meltdown in progress at the beleaguered manufacturer of safe, hyper-efficient electric vehicles (see the posts here, and here if you don’t know what’s going on).
    It was an interesting looking design, but if half the information in the article is true, one that'll never see mass production.
    Congratulations! You win the logical fallacy of the week award! In this category: Guilt by Association.

    Also known as the "Bad Company Fallacy," this is a type of Red Herring, an information fallcy which attempts to discredit an idea (or in this case, a company) based on disfavored people or groups associated with it.

    However, people are so gullible to this logical fallacy, companies go out of their way to disassociate themselves from anyone, or anything, of such negative press. Entire companies have folded due to such negative press swallowed hook, line, and sinker but an otherwise uninformed public.

    Legally, you've opened yourself up, rather wide, to libel/defamation and failure of "due diligence," which, "in civil litigation is the effort made by an ordinarily prudent or reasonable party to avoid harm to another party," and is often ruled as "negligence," should any harm arise from your accusations, or even merely passing on the accusations of others with any endorsement of their point of view whatsoever. - Source

    Meanwhile, the Aptera 2e remains one of the few leading, highly innovative concepts to actually hit the road in more than a single concept car.

    We'll see how they weather the economic slump. It gets 5x the milage of my Sport Trac. Since the prices are roughly the same, at $2.50 a gallon, here are the fuel costs for running each:

    2.5
    FES Aptera
    miles \ mpg 20 100
    10 1 0
    100 13 3
    1,000 125 25
    10,000 1,250 250
    100,000 12,500 2,500

    As you can see, by 100,000 miles, the Aptera has saved half it's cost in fuel. By 200,000 miles, you can afford to buy another Aptera, for free, with the fuel you just saved.

    Is that worth giving up the ability to do off-roading, carry 4 people for 400 miles in comfort, haul small loads in the mini-bed, or pull a 4,500 lb trailer?

    Well, that's up to the driver. As for me, I'm keeping my Sport Trac because it's paid for. If I'm ever able to afford a second car, however, I may very well purchase an Aptera for both any commute, as well as visiting friends in far places. Just makes too much sense not to.

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    This is unfortunately quite common.. as a wise man once said (W.C. Fields?):

    In a hierarchy an employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.

    Heck, there's at least one politician I'm aware of who become president, despite running every company he was ever involved with straight into the ground. It's not as much of a handicap as I would have imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Vegan View Post
    [...] as a wise man once said (W.C. Fields?):

    In a hierarchy an employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.
    Wikipedia: Peter Principle

    The Peter Principle is the principle that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of Hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter.

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    Also known as the "Bad Company Fallacy," this is a type of Red Herring, an information fallcy which attempts to discredit an idea (or in this case, a company) based on disfavored people or groups associated with it.
    Reminds me of problems the Catholic Church has had. Also, anthropogenic global warming.

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    Reminds me of MG Rover all over again.

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    And the Africar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africar
    And De Lorean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_Motor_Company

    Because of the irrational fondness politicians have for automobile manufacturing, it occasionally attracts into it people who think that making a profit is optional.

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