Universe's Energy

[bebe7]

I am wondering what is the source of all the energy in the Universe?

TY

[Hornblower]

I am wondering what is the source of all the energy in the Universe?

TY

If there is an identifiable source, then my next question would be "What is the source of the source?" and so on, ad infinitum.

[bebe7]

Could you put that in more reasonable terms?

[bebe7]

I think it may have something to do with electrons...

[astromark]

Some of the energy we see being spent is a direct result of gravitational forces. Pressure and fusion. Electric charges we can measure are apparent. BUT your question will remain unanswered as we can not calculate the mass of the whole Universe. We can not see it all and do not actually know if there is more of it than we can detect as yet..any calculations of mass are at best 'loos'.
The energy that drives this universe may be what it was born from. It can be argued that matter and energy are interchanging at a sub atomic level constantly.
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[Frog march]

everything maybe just seen as information, but how that information exists, or is stored, I don't know.

if it is stored upon itself, how does that begin..I wonder..

[bebe7]

May have something to do with quarks and gluons.

[cosmocrazy]

I am wondering what is the source of all the energy in the Universe?

TY

Well the universe itself is the source, energy comes in many forms and is only ever converted from one form to another.
How much of it there is and exactly how it is dissipated throughout the universe we cannot answer definitively. We can make educated guesses based on what we observe but as Astromark said the actual true value would only be based on speculation.

[bebe7]

I think you are on to something astro

[Cougar]

Alan Guth and others have claimed (or speculated) that [paraphrasing] the potential gravitational energy of the universe exactly matches the mass-energy, thus the balance is zero, and the universe is the ultimate "free lunch."

[bebe7]

I said source, not sauce...lol.

[Cougar]

I said source, not sauce...lol.

If the balance is zero, there need be no source.

[slang]

Alan Guth and others have claimed (or speculated) that [paraphrasing] the potential gravitational energy of the universe exactly matches the mass-energy, thus the balance is zero, and the universe is the ultimate "free lunch."

I hope the chewing won't start in my lifetime.

[Boratssister]

Energy is just the opposite of nothing. If nothing existed then obviously that nothing had to be defined by its opposite, something!
Is that logical? So if something exists there can never be nothing, is that's logical?
Thought I'd just have a pop at answering that unanswerable question !

[bebe7]

Energy is just the opposite of nothing. If nothing existed then obviously that nothing had to be defined by its opposite, something!
Is that logical? So if something exists there can never be nothing, is that's logical?
Thought I'd just have a pop at answering that unanswerable question !

Actually, according to my source, the answer would be the Big Bang is the source of all the energy in this Universe.

[Boratssister]

Actually, according to my source, the answer would be the Big Bang is the source of all the energy in this Universe.

I agree but what was the source of the big bang?

[bebe7]

I agree but what was the source of the big bang?

That could be considered to be a different question.

They do say energy is eternal...The obvious other question is what was before the BBang...that, as far as I have seen, is still widely open to spec.

[AlexInOklahoma]

Actually, according to my source, the answer would be the Big Bang is the source of all the energy in this Universe.

And you started this thread by pondering "I am wondering what is the source of all the energy in the Universe?"

Then stated that you thought it had something to do with electrons... Or was it quarks and gluons?

What is the source that you are now referring to, please?

Was the Big Bang the result of *newly created* energy in the newborn Universe? Or is the Big Bang/expansion from the 'injection' of energy from 'elsewhere' (ie from energy already in existence - at least theoretically)? (shrugs...) What does the source say? Got me curious now...

Hornblower had the right approach, IMO

Alex

[bebe7]

And you started this thread by pondering "I am wondering what is the source of all the energy in the Universe?"

Then stated that you thought it had something to do with electrons... Or was it quarks and gluons?

What is the source that you are now referring to, please?

Was the Big Bang the result of *newly created* energy in the newborn Universe? Or is the Big Bang/expansion from the 'injection' of energy from 'elsewhere' (ie from energy already in existence - at least theoretically)? (shrugs...) What does the source say? Got me curious now...

Hornblower had the right approach, IMO


Alex

Alex,

I just wanted to get some "IMOs" and see what IPs had to say.

I know the answer is correct...what is the source of all the energy in this Universe...It could only be the Big Bang.

(Quarks/Gluons ...sub atomic particles ...fundamental Building Blocks of matter)

[cosmocrazy]

Alex,

I just wanted to get some "IMOs" and see what IPs had to say.

I know the answer is correct...what is the source of all the energy in this Universe...It could only be the Big Bang.

(Quarks/Gluons ...sub atomic particles ...fundamental Building Blocks of matter)

And everything contained in the big bang is everything contained in the universe! So you have answered your own question, after everybody else already basically told you this.

As Boratssister mentioned earlier, energy in one form or another is the opposite of nothing. Since it appears that the universe is filled with energy, possibly vacuum energy as well then the source is everywhere. The "nothing" that Boratssister is talking about is undefinable since it is what ever is out side the space/time we observe.

[bebe7]

And everything contained in the big bang is everything contained in the universe! So you have answered your own question, after everybody else already basically told you this.

As Boratssister mentioned earlier, energy in one form or another is the opposite of nothing. Since it appears that the universe is filled with energy, possibly vacuum energy as well then the source is everywhere. The "nothing" that Boratssister is talking about is undefinable since it is what ever is out side the space/time we observe.

Thanks Cosmo, although I didn't see the words Big Bang in any of the posts here.

[AlexInOklahoma]

"I know the answer is correct...what is the source of all the energy in this Universe...It could only be the Big Bang." I disagree

Actually, according to my source, the answer would be the Big Bang is the source of all the energy in this Universe.

WHAT is the source you are using for the answer you give???

My understanding is that the Big Bang is/was but the 'process' of expansion of Space/Universe from a 'singularity' of 'energy and all the Universe is', so to speak. The Big Bang did not actually create anything (from nothing) but resulted from the sudden/instantaneous expansion of 'stuff'/energy/matter. If I understand the terms usage correctly. Here's a quote that kind of says it better -> All matter and energy existed in an infinitely small point of infinite density a long time ago, and has since been expanding as our universe. One important note here is that the Big Bang was not an explosion in the universe, but rather it is an explosion of the universe.
(from http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/advan...s_bigbang.html )


Also see here -> http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm "This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point." The energy seemed to already be there - then everything expanded as a 'Big Bang'. The Big Bang was not the *source* of the energy, so to speak - was the expansion of it to say it succintly.

Therefore, it would seem that Big Bang is not the 'true' source itself, per se All in the way it is looked at, though... And again, goes back to Hornblower's post, LOL -> The source of the source of the source ad infinitum ad nauseum (!).

Alex

[bebe7]

"I know the answer is correct...what is the source of all the energy in this Universe...It could only be the Big Bang." I disagree



WHAT is the source you are using for the answer you give???

My understanding is that the Big Bang is/was but the 'process' of expansion of Space/Universe from a 'singularity' of 'energy and all the Universe is', so to speak. The Big Bang did not actually create anything (from nothing) but resulted from the sudden/instantaneous expansion of 'stuff'/energy/matter. If I understand the terms usage correctly. Here's a quote that kind of says it better -> All matter and energy existed in an infinitely small point of infinite density a long time ago, and has since been expanding as our universe. One important note here is that the Big Bang was not an explosion in the universe, but rather it is an explosion of the universe.
(from http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/advan...s_bigbang.html )


Also see here -> http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm "This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point." The energy seemed to already be there - then everything expanded as a 'Big Bang'. The Big Bang was not the *source* of the energy, so to speak - was the expansion of it to say it succintly.

Therefore, it would seem that Big Bang is not the 'true' source itself, per se All in the way it is looked at, though... And again, goes back to Hornblower's post, LOL -> The source of the source of the source ad infinitum ad nauseum (!).

Alex

I disagree with your thoughts on the origin of the Big Bang...

My sauce for the answer here is the show entitled "The Universe."

[captain swoop]

Bebe7 the Q&A Forum is for asking questions on Space and Astronomy and getting a Mainstream answer. If you want to speculate then this is the wrong forum. If you want to suggest alternatives to the Mainstream then you need the ATM Forum.
Please take some time to read the Rules for Posting to the board, they are linked at the bottom of this post.

[Spoons]

I wouldn't say that the Big Bang is the source of any energy, rather it's a manifestation or resultant process of the released potential energy.

I'd always wondered whether possibly there is an inverse or mirror universe, which then combined with our universe balances to make zero net energy. I'm sure this was a speculation I read in a pop-physics book, though I can't remember which one - I found this a fairly appealing concept, though likely a little too simplistic.

ETA: If someone who knows better (and I'm sure there are a great number) would care to correct or shed some light on the validity of this notion, it would be interesting to hear, though I think this is one of those things that would not be directly testable, and so will always remain to some degree just speculation. Though who knows?

[bebe7]

I wouldn't say that the Big Bang is the source of any energy, rather it's a manifestation or resultant process of the released potential energy.

I'd always wondered whether possibly there is an inverse or mirror universe, which then combined with our universe balances to make zero net energy. I'm sure this was a speculation I read in a pop-physics book, though I can't remember which one - I found this a fairly appealing concept, though likely a little too simplistic.

ETA: If someone who knows better (and I'm sure there are a great number) would care to correct or shed some light on the validity of this notion, it would be interesting to hear, though I think this is one of those things that would not be directly testable, and so will always remain to some degree just speculation. Though who knows?

Well thought

[Spoons]

Thank you.

[bebe7]

I wouldn't say that the Big Bang is the source of any energy, rather it's a manifestation or resultant process of the released potential energy.

I'd always wondered whether possibly there is an inverse or mirror universe, which then combined with our universe balances to make zero net energy. I'm sure this was a speculation I read in a pop-physics book, though I can't remember which one - I found this a fairly appealing concept, though likely a little too simplistic.

ETA: If someone who knows better (and I'm sure there are a great number) would care to correct or shed some light on the validity of this notion, it would be interesting to hear, though I think this is one of those things that would not be directly testable, and so will always remain to some degree just speculation. Though who knows?

That's the whole thing about it, nobody can really know what led to the BB or what was happening before it....so intriguing....I believe a cyclic type Universe (Bib Bang/Big Crunch) or the overwheling of the forces we don't know about (DM/DE/AM) by the forces we do know of or a release of energyy from another source...

[AlexInOklahoma]

I disagree with your thoughts on the origin of the Big Bang...

My sauce for the answer here is the show entitled "The Universe."

Sorry, but I am not familiar with that 'sauce' Where can more be found about that show, so to speak? I am curious about the info within it - I googled "The Universe" and found a series on History Channel (with four seasons of 'shows'). Is that your 'reference' by chance?

Thanks,
Alex

[bebe7]

Sorry, but I am not familiar with that 'sauce' Where can more be found about that show, so to speak? I am curious about the info within it - I googled "The Universe" and found a series on History Channel (with four seasons of 'shows'). Is that your 'reference' by chance?

Thanks,
Alex

Yes it is Al...