Sound is the key

[Geo Kaplan]

one word

asymmetry

But there are an infinity of geometric objects that are asymmetrical. Clearly, you have applied additional criteria to settle on the swastika. What are these other criteria?

[Hornblower]

What do the geometric characteristics of a swastika have to do with the OP topic, if anything?

If an answer appears somewhere in this thread, please direct me to it.

[Raphael]

But there are an infinity of geometric objects that are asymmetrical. Clearly, you have applied additional criteria to settle on the swastika. What are these other criteria?

it was, as the evidence shows, was revered MORE than Jesus by many cultures, more than any god.
the swastika was a time traveler.
though the gods have all been replaced, the swastika still survives today.
for at least 7000 years, it has been revered.

Fact: it is the only asymmetric symbol that satisfies in defining the two rotations at the quantum level...clockwise vs. counterclockwise rotation which ultimately determines its polarity.
I challenge anybody to offer another symbol, that along with its chiral asymmetric image, can be used to represent + and -.

Here is a SAMPLE of what the FREEMASONs really think about this DIVINE symbol.
In this list we see both science and the esoteric.

Therefore, the cosmic, or kabbalistic, numbers and symbols, as represented in the SWASTIKA, or Jaina, cross may be summed up as follows:

18. A symbol of life
26. J.H.V.H., or Jod, He, Vou, He
27. Mercury
28. The moon, also a lunar cycle
36. The sun.
72. A great year, or the precession of the equinoxes through one degree of the ecliptic.
180. One half of the ecliptic, or the passage of the sun from one equinox to the other, creating vegetable life in the northern hemisphere.
280. The period of human gestation.

Here is a sample of what myth/religion have associated with his ancient PRE-LITERATE symbol.

Many theories have been presented concerning the symbolism of the Swastika, its relation to ancient deities and its representation of certain qualities. In the estimation of certain writers it has been respectively the emblem of Zeus, of Baal, of the sun, of the sun-god, of the sun-chariot of Agni the fire-god, of Indra the rain-god, of the sky, the sky-god, and finally the deity of all deities the great God, the Maker and Ruler of the Universe. It has also been held to symbolize light or the god of light, of the forked lightning, and of water. It is believed by some to have been the oldest Aryan symbol. In the estimation of others it represents Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva, Creator, Preserver, Destroyer.

It appears in the footprints of Buddha and on his chest and palm, and also on the chest of Apollo., engraved upon the solid rock on the mountains of India (fig.32). It stood for the Jupiter tonans and Pluvius of the Latins, and the Thor of the Scandinavians. In the latter case it has been considered- erroneously, however --a variety of the Thor hammer. In the opinion of at least one author it had an intimate relation to the Lotus sign of Egypt and Persia. Some authors have attributed a phallic meaning to it. Others have recognized it as representing the generative principle of mankind, making it the symbol of the female. Its appearance on the person of certain goddesses, Artemis, Hera, Demeter, Astarte, and the Chaldean Nana, the leaden goddess from Hissarlik (fig.125), has caused it to be claimed as a sign of fecundity.
http://www.northvegr.org/lore/swastika/005.php

Do I have a shortage of mythical and religious associations?
NO.
Do I have a shortage of science related coincidences?
NO
It seems so many truths concerning this ancient symbol have been buried with an intent, post 1945.
Clearly.

Have a look at Sir Thomas Wilson's 1894 publication about the swastika.
http://www.northvegr.org/lore/swastika/index.php
Yes in 1894 the swastika had not been sullied by the actions of the madman Hitler.
NAZIs are not mentioned in this 1894 study.
Refreshing eh?
The NAZI did not exist yet, only the 'good luck' swastika.

Swasti (sanskrit) = good luck
Ka (egyptian) = vital energy

I have accumulated enough material for a book, showing that not even JESUS the son of god can match the associations I have found regarding the swastika associations with science and religion.

Here is a plate from 5000 BC with a swastika in the center.
Swastika Plate 5000 BC is a Model of the Milky Way?
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...the-milky-way/
Ancients/moderns usually reserve the center for the 'gods'.

I contend our ancestors had an archetypal model of the universe worked out in their minds.
A model that was not born of the left hemisphere of the mind, no this model is far more holistic and all encompassing, suggesting its origins were maybe the right hemisphere of the mind...suggesting a deeper connection to the left hand and NOT the right hand.

namaste

[Raphael]

What do the geometric characteristics of a swastika have to do with the OP topic, if anything?

If an answer appears somewhere in this thread, please direct me to it.

Spinning vortices create infrasonic sounds we cannot hear.

Scientists accidentally discovered that the spinning core or vortex of a tornado creates infrasonic waves. When the vortices are large, the frequencies are lower; smaller vortices have higher, though still infrasonic, frequencies ...

and

Here is a plate from 5000 BC with a swastika in the center, indicating rotation.
Swastika Plate 5000 BC is a Model of the Milky Way?
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...the-milky-way/
But the ancients/moderns usually reserve the center for the 'gods'.

Is it that difficult to link the swirly twirly swastika with vortices?
Keep in mind, we are discussing our ancient ancestors, how would they have symbolized vortices and rotation and positive vs negative forces?

With spirals and swastikas?
What would you draw 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 years ago to represent movement?
Guess what?
The ancients kept drawing the same symbol to represent clockwise vs. counterclockwise rotations for thousands of years.

And post WWII, Sir Thomas Wilson's 250 page investigation into the swastika has been reduced to "it is a solar symbol".
Ha

namaste

[Hungry4info]

Raphael, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. Sound waves don't travel in space. Sound needs a medium to travel through, and while we agree that space isn't a perfect vacuum, anyone with any knowledge of the subject realises that space isn't able to facilitate the propagation of sound. Sound uses compression of the medium, these compression waves mitigate outward, losing strength as it progresses away from the source. This requires that atoms of the medium bump into other atoms to allow the momentum of the wave to carry. In space, there simply isn't enough particles to allow a compression wave to carry, so no sound is produced.

Sorry, no "pew pew" from the laser ships.

The detection of sound waves in stars does not mean that the sound has traveled through space. Remember that stars are made of plasma, so there is a medium there. The sound waves are detected by asteroseismology, watching vibrations of the star, etc, not by the spacecraft using a sort of microphone.

Also, as has been stated, you don't gain credibility with each capitalized word you use. On the internet, it's considered shouting.

Your attempt to associate the swastika with sound waves is just silly. I'm not sure how better to word that. If you were to produce a large wooden swastika, and rotate it, then sure, it would make an audible wind. But so what? This isn't unique to the swastika.

[Geo Kaplan]

Spinning vortices create infrasonic sounds we cannot hear.

Let's provisionally grant your assertion that spinning vortices create inaudible infrasound. How does this relate to how the universe at large works? What additional explanatory power does this observation provide? What outstanding conundrums of physics are resolved by invoking spinning-swastika-induced infrasound?

[Raphael]

Raphael, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. Sound waves don't travel in space.

I know my ideas are contentious.
I contend there is no vacuum in space and resurrect the swastika to its rightful place within our consciousness.
The only vacuum that exists is the one that allows math formulas to work in space.
Hungry you are not 'current'.
If you are 'current', then please explain infrasonic sound and what the authors of this article meant when they used the words sound waves?

If the ripples are pressure (sound) waves moving at constant speed (about 1170 km s−1 for a temperature of 5 keV) then their separation (wavelength) of about 11 kpc means a period of about 9.6 × 106 yr. (Source: Fabian, A.C., et al. A deep Chandra observation of the Perseus cluster: shocks and ripples. Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. Vol. 344 (2003): L43 arXiv:astro-ph/0306036v2.)

Did Sir Isaac Newton believe space was a vacuum?

Take your debate to NASA and the Royal Astronomical Society and and and ...
How many links would you like.
Please google CHANDRA 57 octaves below middle 'C'.
LOTS and LOTS of articles written by many astronomers and scientists...maybe you can find one that convinces you that SOUND waves do in FACT exist in SPACE.
Maybe the reason most of the folks are befuddled is because they do not realize how loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggg the wavelength is.
Any idea dude how long a wavelength that is 57 octaves below middle 'C' is?
Can I suggest it would be like our entire solar system is riding the crest of one SOUND wave...and the other crest is how far away?

"The concentric ripples produce one cycle every 10 million years," Fabian said. "This tells us what the note is" -- a B-flat pitched far below the ability of the human ear to hear it. "We think it's the deepest note that's ever been detected," Fabian added. "It turns out that the loudness of the sound is comparable to that of human speech, but the [wavelength] of the ripples is 30,000 light years -- bigger than a galaxy."

Bigger than a galaxy.
One ripple every 10 million years...
But the fact is...it is a SOUND wave.

You are not reading the links I have provided.
I consider that not fair, especially when discussing ATM ideas.
You are handicapping the debate.
IMHO

I also feel that if you want to engage me ... about the swastika ... each of you who oppose my ideas ... need to brush up on your 'esoteric' knowledge.
To deny that 10,000 years of evolution, with this symbol, apparently at our side, maybe to assist us in our evolution is BAD science.
If you consider archeology a science?
Do you?

Please read the link I provided where NASA says SOUND travels through space.
But here is yet another.
http://www.physorg.com/news169907305.html
Thank you.

namaste

[Strange]

pentagram is considered asymmetric

That is just wrong. Who considers it asymmetric? The pentagram has 5 planes of symmetry and also rotational symmetry. Actually, the swastika has rotational symmetry as well. (And, as 'four' means 'death' I think you hould avoid objects with fourfold symmetry anyway.)

[agingjb]

Gravitational waves are sound?

[Raphael]

That is just wrong. Who considers it asymmetric? The pentagram has 5 planes of symmetry and also rotational symmetry. Actually, the swastika has rotational symmetry as well. (And, as 'four' means 'death' I think you hould avoid objects with fourfold symmetry anyway.)

four means death?
how about we add some life to your equation?

4 + 4 (two asymmetric swastikas) = 8
And '8' reminds me of infinity.
And '8' is 'good luck' in China.
One billion Chinese, one of oldest surviving cultures, served daily can't be wrong?
Are you willing to enter into the esoteric discussions now?

Were you discussing planes of symmetry or axis of symmetry?
Are we talking 2D or 3D?
Did the ancients draw 'flat' representations or did they leave us some 3D models to consider too?

Here are more examples of where we would find asymmetry in the sciences.

* 1 Asymmetry in organisms
o 1.1 Asymmetries useful to the organism
o 1.2 Asymmetry as an indicator of unfitness
* 2 Asymmetry in chemistry
* 3 Asymmetry in physics
o 3.1 Thermodynamics
o 3.2 Particle physics
+ 3.2.1 Parity violation
+ 3.2.2 CP violation
+ 3.2.3 Baryon asymmetry of the universe
+ 3.2.4 Isospin violation
+ 3.2.5 Asymmetries in collider experiments
* 4 Lexical asymmetry

Very important to realize how important asymmetry is in forming the world we live and interact with.
Above is a list found on Wikipedia.
I can certainly add to it, as it is becoming apparent I will need to.
Folks still seem to 'stuck' on defining everything using 'symmetry', like they did prior to 1957.

namaste

[Strange]

Were you discussing planes of symmetry or axis of symmetry?

Both, obviously, if you read what I wrote.

Very important to realize how important asymmetry is in forming the world we live and interact with

Obviously asymmetry exists and is important. As the list you copied shows, you haven't just discovered this. But given that both the swastika and the pentagram are symmetrical (as are sound waves) I fail to see your point.

[Raphael]

Gravitational waves are sound?

YUP without a doubt that is my theory.
But I am NOT alone.
Here is just one sample of ideas that are out there.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ch.thomp...bykalo.PWA.htm

Science is slowing 'catching up' with this reality.
GRAVITY = SOUND

read this please:

Analysis of data taken over a two-year period, from 2005 to 2007, has set the most stringent limits yet on the amount of gravitational waves that could have come from the Big Bang in the gravitational wave frequency band where LIGO can observe. In doing so, the gravitational-wave scientists have put new constraints on the details of how the universe looked in its earliest moments.

Much like it produced the cosmic microwave background, the Big Bang is believed to have created a flood of gravitational waves—ripples in the fabric of space and time—that still fill the universe and carry information about the universe as it was immediately after the Big Bang.

RIPPLES...SOUND...the experts hate suggesting the universe is filled with SOUND.
Why?

Maybe because folks will start reading more about Pythagoras, Kepler, Newton, Tesla, ALL giants who felt the Universe was musical.
And music is math.
And the ancient oral traditions were based on SOUND.
Myth came before math.
Math is attempting to convert the musical myths into a math.

So the crossroads we are at today is this.
Either we can start to acknowledge this aspect of the universe, its musical attributes (sound) or we can continue down this errant path, we have obviously been in the dark focusing only on light waves in space.

myth = music = math = songs of solomon?

19th-20th century woo-woo physics = walls of Jericho came crashing down.

namaste

[Raphael]

Both, obviously, if you read what I wrote.



Obviously asymmetry exists and is important. As the list you copied shows, you haven't just discovered this. But given that both the swastika and the pentagram are symmetrical (as are sound waves) I fail to see your point.

re: the pentagram
maybe what I should have said is...
the pentagram contains the golden ratio in its ARKitecture.
the golden ratio = golden spiral = phi and its cousin Fibonacci.
the golden spiral is asymmetrical.
sorry

but I will not backdown on the swastika.
find me one link that supports your 'opinion'.
the swastika and its mirror image are asymmetrical AND chiral
and CHIRAL is important in creating this universe.
No it is critical.
Without chirality or asymmetry, you and me, go poof.
Neutrinos that display chirality is a fine example.
Matter and anti-matter is a fine example of asymmetry.

Here is a lovely image showing how the swastika and two mirrored phi spirals and the heART all come together.
http://www.kifa.org.uk/grailheartspin.gif

Maybe you could define for me, help me out dude, while I compose my best seller, called The Lost Symbol, what other shapes do you consider asymmetrical?
Raphael's Lost Symbol? http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13811

As my list in the previous post shows, asymmetry permeates the universe, so you should have no problem offering up what asymmetry 'looks like'.
Anything containing nature's golden logarithmic spiral as part of its inherent ARKitecture I would consider asymmetric.

Go take a good long look in the mirror.
What do you see?
Is your face considered perfect symmetry or is it asymmetrical?

Want me to provide a link that illustrates how our pre-literate (before writing and math) ancestors relied on asymmetrical facial expressions, to help convey and communicate?
yup this is true.
As a matter of fact...it is the RIGHT hemisphere of our asymmetrical brains that interprets this info.
As a matter of fact...some folks can read faces, and tell if folks are bull****ting better than a lie detector.

mind if I ask you a question?
can you match these images below with the two descriptions that follow.



A/ propagation of a transverse spherical wave in a FLAT 2D grid.
B/ propagation of a longitudinal non-electromagnetic SOUND wave on a 2D grid

So which is which?

Here is another profound connection to rotations, movement, and how frequencies affect direction of spin.
Ever hear of Hans Jenny and cymatics?
Here is a two minute video that gets right to the heart of the matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY
What became clear to me, when watching this video, is that what we apply to the visible world, i.e. how frequency can in fact alter 'spin', clearly I want to suggest that we can apply the same 'theory' to the invisible world of quantum chaos, but really behind it all, is an order...just ask Al.

I would love to go back to those aether experiments, and the double slit etc. back in the 1800s.
I would try to see if inaudible sounds, like INFRASONIC and ULTRASONIC frequencies can alter the spin of those invisible quantum particles, converting them from waves to particles?

SWASTIKA and CYMATICS and SOUND part II
Hans Jenny meets the swastika loving Jain
>> http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/830/

Sound is being ignored.
Why?
Why is it being ignored by astronomers and physicists, when other science experts suggest that 528 hertz heals our DNA, and the cell wall?
This is clearly a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to.

namaste

[Strange]

but I will not backdown on the swastika.
find me one link that supports your 'opinion'.

The swastika is in symmetry group C₄.

[Raphael]

The swastika is in symmetry group C₄.

thanks I didn't know that.
But I will add it to my data base, here is the group the swastika belongs too.

C-4 symmetry = A typical 3D object with rotational symmetry (possibly also with perpendicular axes) but no mirror symmetry is a propeller.

no mirror symmetry?
a propeller?
thanks dude, we just scored a goal together, nice assist.

You are missing the point entirely.
the point is there are in fact 'two versions' of the swastika.
the point is that there are two propeller that assist in creating vortices.
Yup the swastika is the propeller that Noah used for the ARK.

So here is the challenge, find me one other symbol that matches the diverse/perverse/controversial history of the swastika, (10,000 years?) that has an asymmetrical chiral image, thus both images are two fine diplomats of the quantum world (symmetry group C4), as you pointed out.

sorry for 'shouting' at you.
but like I said in the post before this one.
without chirality and asymmetry we do NOT exist.

so here is the criteria that sets the swastika apart.

the two swastikas are asymmetric chiral images.
the two swastikas are fine diplomats for clockwise vs. counterclockwise motion
the two swastikas are fine diplomats to represent right vs. left handedness
the two swastikas are fine diplomats to represent positive and negative.
the two swastikas are fine diplomats for why ancient cultures like the Jains who still revere this symbol as a god, put their two chiral asymmetric hands together in a PRAYER pose to NEGATE the opposition within.

Amen

So a final reminder, as we traverse the longitudes and latitudes, constantly fine tuning our attitudes, on our travels, on our journey, remember to greet the unknown traveler who might in fact be going in the opposite or reverse direction of you in life, by placing your two chiral asymmetric hands together in prayer pose, I bow down to you, and cast toward you a 'positive' sound, an eternal word that the swastika loving peaceful Jain is well aware of, and meant to help heal you...

namaste

mnemonic roy g biv?
I love mnemonics...
mnemonics makes remembering easier.
is the Tarot a mnemonic tool?
I love how much I started to remember after meditating on CARD X/Ezekiel's Wheel of Fortune, and the SWASTIKA, and Solomon's Knot and the Greek Zodiacal Cross and the Runes.

That is how it works, how you penetrate the dark side....
Sleep on it.

Raphael

p.s. could you go back to those graphs in the previous post and please help me decide which one is the sound wave and which is the light wave?

[Strange]

So it's been around a long time. So have lots of other things. So what?

So it is chiral. So are lots of other things. So what?

As you are fond of meaningless coincidences: the swastika is in symmetry group C4 and both C and 4 are pronounced the same in Japanese. Wow! Japanese must be the original language spoken when the universe was formed.

[Raphael]

So it's been around a long time. So have lots of other things. So what?

get specific then please
you want to defeat and dis and marginalize 10,000 years of associations, with comments like 'other things and so what?'

So it is chiral.

do you know WHY chiral is the DOOR to this asymmetrical place in space dude?
do you?
I will find the quote...hang in there.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=TrQw...age&q=&f=false
It is in this book, released in 2007, it cost me $60.00.
Well worth it.
I INSIST you take a look at the Table of Contents.

As you are fond of meaningless coincidences: the swastika is in symmetry group C4 and both C and 4 are pronounced the same in Japanese. Wow! Japanese must be the original language spoken when the universe was formed.

Quite fond, I am obsessed actually, I have hit upon my purpose in life.
Welcome to my nightmare, there has a been a fire raging within me these past 4-5 years, and you are witness to its fury.

meaningless coincidences?
meaningless to you?
do you believe in a 'universal unity', forces that connect all of us?

you seem disconnected from the matrix, the web, if you suggest ALL I have presented is meaningless.
can you separate the meaningless coincidences from the meaningful ones?

are you another of those folks who have difficulty seeing the sublime subtle connections that MUST exist between the past, the present and the future?
I am not one of those folks.
I see the connections, I see the poetry, I see the beauty of how everything comes together.
And it is a golden vision dude.
Everything I touch shall turn to gold.

two asymmetrical swastikas create spirals in a 2D world which become helices in a 3D environment.
two asymmetrical swastikas/helical action = DNA helices = healed by applying 528 hertz = SOUND

namaste

[slang]

Take your debate to NASA and the Royal Astronomical Society and and and ...
How many links would you like.
Please google CHANDRA 57 octaves below middle 'C'.
[...]
You are not reading the links I have provided.
I consider that not fair, especially when discussing ATM ideas.
You are handicapping the debate.
IMHO

That may be your humble opinion, but here back in reality it is your reading that could do with some improvement. The Chandra observatory does not have anything on board that resembles our ears. It can NOT listen. What it can do, is see. And what it sees is X-rays, a form of light. It saw ripples in gas, in a galaxy far away. Those ripples are analogous to sound. It is not like those ripples in that gas in that far away galaxy travelled all the way to Earth for Chandra to hear it. That is the part you keep missing, and that is the part that means that sound does not carry through a vacuum. Not all of space is vacuum, some of it is filled with gas clouds and or plasma. Sound in such a gas cloud can only reach Earth if Earth is in that cloud. And in the example of the Chandra observation, Earth is spectacularly not in that cloud.

[Raphael]

That may be your humble opinion,

it is not my humble opinion.
it is the folks on this forum who are in the dark about the basics of sound waves.
sadly

I have never ever said you can HEAR these waves.
but I suspect you can 'feel' them and, 'see' them.
(enter the runes and phosphenes and how the BRAIN sees, not the eyes)

Those ripples are analogous to sound. It is not like those ripples in that gas in that far away galaxy travelled all the way to Earth for Chandra to hear it. That is the part you keep missing, and that is the part that means that sound does not carry through a vacuum.

SPACE IS NOT A VACUUM
please do your homework.
you are not current dude.

Now here is what you are missing...
You just fail to appreciate how long that wavelength is slang.
how far apart the amplitudes are, the peaks and the valleys.
the amplitudes are essentially 10 billion years apart.

Suggesting if you were immortal like a god that lived forever, these SOUNDs might carry some meaning.
The article says the wavelength is bigger than our galaxy.
So slang I thought they were searching for a weak force like gravity that spans the galaxies from end to end?
No wonder these fellas are linking SOUND to gravity.

Any idea what this 57 octaves below middle 'C' wavefront would look like as it 'passed' through our galaxy or our even smaller solar system?

here let me draw a picture for you using this analogy.
pretend the circle is our spinning SS, the solar system, or perhaps something larger, like the spinning asymmetrical Milky Way.
take your pick....the smaller the system, the less 'curvature' within the system.
In a small system an undulating wavelength with amplitudes separated by 10,000,000,000 years would appear 'straight' with very little curvature.



And the line I have drawn through the circle is the SOUND wave as it passes through our home turf?
What if that 'sound wave' as it passes through our system is analagous to the 'golden mean', do you know what I mean?
What if that string is vibrating within our solar system or galaxy?
Are you a musician slang?

Not happy with that explanation?
Here is another analogy.
Most belief systems have a version of 'rosary beads'.



now imagine our solar system or milky way is merely a bead on a string?
strings vibrate right?
and if you pluck them, the entire length of the string vibrates, is that correct?
c'mon lets get back to the basics.
And if you or anybody else is going to to debate me using math....it is obvious I can blend music and myth into the debate.

so slang if you are correct...then you should be able to explain to me the importance of infrasonic sounds emitted by vortexes (spinning black holes?) and Magnetosonic Alfven type waves in space.

What would Alfven who won a Nobel Prize know about anything?
Please tell me all you know about infrasound?
Infrasound quietly supports my contentions NOT yours.
Infrasound suggests black holes sing to us in B flat.

You are not current.

The Chandra observatory does not have anything on board that resembles our ears. It can NOT listen. What it can do, is see. And what it sees is X-rays, a form of light.

So then really all we need to do then is find a formula for converting light to sound?

Let me give you an example of how we can use SOUND to see.
echo location

Or how about ultrasounds that turn sound waves into a visible image using light, to display the image?

So we can use SOUND to help us see, that is clear to me.
Now can we use LIGHT to help us hear?
Yes of course....Chandra proves we can.

namaste

p.s. I spend 24/7/365 studying nothing else than what I present on this thread.
welcome to my purpose in life.
probably why I returned to this hell-hole on July 3, 1957, to help spread the truth about SOUND, using the swastika as an in-yer-face interface between light and sound.

[Strange]

I INSIST you take a look at the Table of Contents.

Yes. Stuff is chiral. We all know that. Yawn.

do you believe in a 'universal unity', forces that connect all of us?

Nope.

are you another of those folks who have difficulty seeing the sublime subtle connections that MUST exist between the past, the present and the future?

That MUST exist? Why?

I am not one of those folks.

Well that's nice for you.

[Geo Kaplan]

Infrasound quietly supports my contentions NOT yours.
Infrasound suggests black holes sing to us in B flat.

You are not current.

Current or no, you are obligated to provide more than word salad and philosophical musings. Ok, we're poor benighted souls who don't see the connections among the swastika, dna, large-scale structure of the universe, and infrasound. We've lost the deep cosmic understanding that our ancient ancestors intuited. So enlighten us.

How?

By showing us -- with mathematics -- how your invocation of infrasound resolves any mystery of the universe. Pick one. Tell us, in your own words, what's mysterious about it (i.e., how mainstream physics fails to explain it), and then tell us in detail how your spinning-swastika-infrasound (SSI) pulls back the veil of mystery. Word salad will not do -- we need to see some equations, something that is falsifiable.

[coliver]

Raphael, while I personally feel there may be some merit within the ideas you are proposing , the correllations to philosophical entities or symbols will probably not earn you much agreement or support in this forum. Are you able to propose your ideas from a strictly scientific approach? If the swastika represents a model for the path of something that would seem fathomable but relations to ancient deieties will probably fall on deaf ears. Just a word of advice.

Scientists are beginning to see the relationship between sound and electricity but havent recognized the full value yet in my opinion. Like you I dont believe space is empty either but without proof that it is so, we might as well say its full of swastikas..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0603225026.htm

[Raphael]

How?

By showing us -- with mathematics -- how your invocation of infrasound resolves any mystery of the universe. Pick one.

dude pick one?
the choices are math and math?

listen I really would love to help you in your quest, to solve the mysteries of the universe using math.
but that is not my role here.

I admit I am not a mathematician.
a fact which does not invalidate my work.
if the entry to these forums is math only, then this forum is way out of touch with reality.

Tell you what, if you can explain to me the physics/math of why the Tippe Top works, and then convert this math language into layman's terms, then I will have MORE respect for your brand of 'truth'.
go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHyz2...layer_embedded
If you can't then I can assume, using the same logic that you applied to me, that your belief system called physics/math has some flaws, that get veiled with gravitational constants and such.
Even ole' Al Einstein would NOT be able to answer your question without fudging the math.
My lack of math does not mean a failure of my theory.


Why don't you explain the anomaly called the Tippe Top?
The Tippe Top suggests today's math and physics is still a woo-woo science on a learning curve.
That still has some important kinks to work out, before its makes its next quantum leap.

Which only makes sense because empirical SCIENCE was not bequeathed the truth from the beginning.
Do I need to remind the physics/sciences fellas that physics spent until 1957 using a WRONG model of truth.

And had I suggested asymmetry was a driving force of the universe prior to 1956, without the math, I would have been heckled at by my peers?

The BAUT forum is playing the role of the defenders of a truth?
...no it is apparent that this forum sometimes resembles an inquisitive church, and fellas like Walter C. and me, are today's version of the heretical 'Galileo', who are given only two choices.
Prove to us, using our methods, that you speak our truth or get outta town.


Even Einstein needed Lorenz to help him with his math.
Ever hear of the butterfly effect?
The CHIRAL Lorenz attractor = butterfly effect = has an asymmetric counterpart called the Strange Attractor which is deals with the Stokes wave.
And what kind of waves are we discussing when I mention stokes?

Role of asymmetry in the formation of strange attractors in a simple self-excited system...

please read the fine print at the bottom of this article...
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p6818l7500306140/

And these fellas appear much smarter than me.
Maybe they are willing to do the math?

In all four of these cases, a pair of identical oscillators is asymmetrically coupled. The main result of the numerical simulations is that in all cases, specific values of coupling strength and asymmetry exist that render the two oscillators periodic and synchronized. The values of the coupling strength for which this phenomenon occurs is well below the previously known value for complete synchronization.

http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/serv...cvips&gifs=yes

Do you believe space is a vacuum geo K?
Are you any good at math and physics?

namaste

p.s. if there are any decent mathematicians in the house, here is your opportunity to get in on the ground floor and be my Lorentz buddy.

[Raphael]

Scientists are beginning to see the relationship between sound and electricity but havent recognized the full value yet in my opinion. Like you I dont believe space is empty either but without proof that it is so, we might as well say its full of swastikas..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0603225026.htm

And the armchair quarterbacks on this forum are dropping the passes I am throwing into the end zone...

They were not hail mary passes either...the problem is...my receivers have two right hands, only a left brain and two left feet.

Team humanity is going to lose this game.
We seem still unclear on the rules of the game.
How much time is left on the clock?

namaste

[Raphael]

We've lost the deep cosmic understanding that our ancient ancestors intuited. So enlighten us.

How?

By showing us -- with mathematics

NO, math is not my way dude.
Might be yours.
again the BAUT inquisition is not playing fair.

I am going against quite a bit of HIS-tory and history and ATM science and ATM religion, with my not so popular Swastika theory.

Have a look at my blog, how much I have written...and I have so much more to come yet.
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/cat...include-sound/
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/cat...lude-swastika/
There is no shortage or difficulty in finding religion = swastika = science matrix connections in the universe.
Want me to show you swastika fractals inside the Mandelbrot set?
Now try to find me physical proof of Jesus using science or religion.

Experts who ignore SOUND today are living in a bubble.
Did Tesla spend most of his time chasing photons or studying electricity, ultra high and ultra low frequencies.
He was clearly a 'sound' pioneer more that a 'light' magician.
And by even suggesting to some folks that space is not a vacuum can be considered empirical heresy.

So what if we meet half way geoK?
Where should we meet.
How about we meet at the REED see, we crossover tonight.
We crossover the corpus callosum, the barrier that divides our asymmetrical mind.

Why do we need to go there...to the other side?

Because the ancients did not *think* the way we do.
I can prove it. Because in fact my work also studies the asymmetrical mind, which serves an important role in establishing who the observer IS.
Yes the observer who affects the observation. I wanna get into your brain.
But how can I possibly give you any deep cosmic insight IF it is the math that exists without the accompanying structure of the ARKetypal myth, that is the problem here?
In other words...maybe you need to put on some 3D glasses to get the real effect of the show?

yes humanity presents itself as a paradox.
we are the paradoxical smart/stupid culture that often fails to see the obvious, even when it is placed right before our eyes, front and center, though we managed to walk on the moon.

can we agree on that?
humans are smart/stupid enigmas?
I am surprised they never got around to isolating the 'thinning of the herd gene'.
I thought for sure they would find one.

If you want to think like an Egyptian.
You must walk the talk dude.


Let's say long ago the Egyptians believed that pi = 22/7, and then after ruling for nearly four thousand years, NASA decided to invade Egypt, and after taking control, said to the Pharaohs...
"Apis-poo, you folks are living far too close to deNile, pi does NOT equal 22/7, we have determined it to be exactly 3.141...."

"But but but" the Egyptians stuttered and muttered "we have other reasons for making those associations to pi by using the formula 22/7."

Never A Straight Answer asks: "like what?"

Egyptians: "well the Christians might realize that 22/7 = Holy Spirit
However we had shortened it to SS for short.
That is why we invented iSiS and oSiriS, and why the Hebrews had moSeS."

I love Joseph Campbell.
Great spirit. IMHO
He was one of the JCs who has walked by my side.
His mirror image CJ, Carl Jung has also been on the journey.

Part of my work/research is to illustrate that the ancients used many mnemonics, they needed many aids to help them remember, because nobody was writing yet.
Even England was practically entirely illiterate till around the the 10th-11th century.

Campbell once asked an interviewer he didn't particularly like to give an example of a myth. After a long, uncomfortable silence the disconcerted man finally came up with: "The man runs like a deer." "That's not a myth," retorted Campbell. (It is a simile.) "The man IS a deer," stated Campbell. "But that's a lie," said the man. "No, that's a myth," said Campbell.

What can I say....
Things are NOT what they seem.
It is only since 1998 that we discovered dark matter and dark energy, it has only been since 2003 that Chandra's x-ray vision was able to HEAR what a black hole was saying in Bflat 250 million miles away...

and you demand I answer you in math.
that is a joke right?

namaste

[Strange]

Why don't you explain the anomaly called the Tippe Top?
The Tippe Top suggests today's math and physics is still a woo-woo science on a learning curve.

I haven't seen those before. Cool. Although why you think they are "anamolous" is beyond me. The page you stole the picture from refers to it as "classical mechanics".

[Raphael]

I haven't seen those before. Cool. Although why you think they are "anamolous" is beyond me. The page you stole the picture from refers to it as "classical mechanics".

you don't think the tippe is an anamoly?
you clearly are not aware of its mechanics.
clearly.

namaste

[Strange]

you don't think the tippe is an anamoly?
you clearly are not aware of its mechanics.

Go on then. Explain why you think it is an anomoly? (I won't even ask you to use maths because I know there is no point.)

[Geo Kaplan]

NO, math is not my way dude.
Might be yours.
again the BAUT inquisition is not playing fair.

Your posts are replete with appeals to ancient authority, popularity, and coincidences. Anyone with sufficient time and motivation can construct a similarly "compelling" world-scheme out of nearly anything. Look at the Timecube guy, or the Learning Triangle (which, though a parody, is every bit as compelling as the thing it's parodying). Numerology is built on the same shaky foundations. How do we separate the wheat from the chaff? Civilisation has found a powerful way: The scientific method. Instead, you'd prefer that we regress in time, and you expect us to accept your declarations because the ideas are "obvious" to you. No thanks. That's not my way, "dude" (pronounced "dood").

Math is the language of science. If you can't speak it, it's usually a sign that you've got nothing but a nice bit of sci-fi.

[captain swoop]

OK while I can se ethat some members are getting some amusement from this threa I don't see where it is going or how Raphael has presented or defended an even remotely scientific idea. Unless someone can give me a very good reason I am closing this thread.