Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 300

Thread: BAUT moderation now using infraction system - discuss

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    29,158

    BAUT moderation now using infraction system - discuss

    We're going to start using vBulletin's infraction system to administer discipline on the forum. This should be easier on the moderators as well as provide more consistency in how it is administered. A quick overview follows:

    Users committing a rule violation receive a certain number of points based on that violation and the number of previous offenses. If the number of points exceeds a certain threshold, they will be automatically suspended or banned based on the threshold exceeded. The basic numbers are as follows: 1 point for the first offense, 2 for the second, 7 for the third, and 12 for the fourth. Thresholds are 3 for a 3-day suspension, 5 for a 7-day suspension, 8 for a 14-day suspension, and 12 for a perma-ban. Points will be adjusted to some extent based on the seriousness of the offense and whether the poster has been here long enough to know better.

    Discussion is welcome below.
    Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,346
    Will there be an arbitration system. i.e. lets say, for example, I have an incredibly bad day and rant and break a number of rules in the heat of the moment. In one posting I hit 14 points. Is there a redress process?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    29,158
    Quote Originally Posted by LotusExcelle View Post
    Will there be an arbitration system. i.e. lets say, for example, I have an incredibly bad day and rant and break a number of rules in the heat of the moment. In one posting I hit 14 points. Is there a redress process?
    Moderators should never perma-ban anyone for short-term behavior; only people who clearly never intend to behave (spammers) or who have an extended history of bad behavior (see the list) should be banned. Note that the number of points awarded is up to the moderators - the only automated part is controlling the suspension of ban.
    Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    13,423
    Well, I'm screwed.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    4,820
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Well, I'm screwed.
    Nothing new then.
    ...I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,123
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Well, I'm screwed.
    Yeah, but we'll miss you

    Hey cheer up Neverfly, there are some very distinguished names on the list of permanently banned posters.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Paris, France
    Posts
    5,740
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Well, I'm screwed.

    yea, this place won't be any fun with everyone missing.
    My travel blog Currently about living in Europe with many older blog posts about riding a motorcycle across the US and Europe.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Paris, France
    Posts
    5,740
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    on 26-October-2009, 12:03 PM

    Well, I'm screwed.

    he made it almost 3 months
    My travel blog Currently about living in Europe with many older blog posts about riding a motorcycle across the US and Europe.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    8,831
    Well, I would refrain from posting on a dog day [thatīs how bad days are called in my neck of the woods].

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    2,018
    How long do points for an infraction stay on the record?

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    29,158
    Quote Originally Posted by nauthiz View Post
    How long do points for an infraction stay on the record?
    That depends on the offense. Right now I have it set up so that:

    1 point offense - 30 days
    2 point offense - 60 days
    7 point offense - 180 days

    We may tweak that, though.
    Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    5,398
    Quote Originally Posted by ToSeek View Post
    That depends on the offense. Right now I have it set up so that:

    1 point offense - 30 days
    2 point offense - 60 days
    7 point offense - 180 days

    We may tweak that, though.
    If you want to lose a lot of mainstream posters in favor of keeping the fringe ones that get away with murder, then by all means. There is no reason to keep the points for such large durations, the scheme should be : 10, 20 and 40 days. The way you have it set up looks more like the DMV.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,123
    Quote Originally Posted by macaw View Post
    If you want to lose a lot of mainstream posters in favor of keeping the fringe ones that get away with murder, then by all means. There is no reason to keep the points for such large durations, the scheme should be : 10, 20 and 40 days. The way you have it set up looks more like the DMV.
    Personally, I may disagree with starting out at such a high level, but I do think that steep increases with severity is a good idea. I don't really see how this plan works to the advantage of "the fringe ones that get away with murder". What is not evident from this is how many warnings or infractions add up to an offense.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,501
    Quote Originally Posted by TheHalcyonYear View Post
    Personally, I may disagree with starting out at such a high level, but I do think that steep increases with severity is a good idea. I don't really see how this plan works to the advantage of "the fringe ones that get away with murder". What is not evident from this is how many warnings or infractions add up to an offense.
    Good point, I had assumed that warnings were offenses.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    location
    Posts
    11,557
    Quote Originally Posted by TheHalcyonYear View Post
    What is not evident from this is how many warnings or infractions add up to an offense.
    I agree about not being clear on warnings compared to offenses. Are points 1-2 awarded as warnings or as punishments that merely fall short of response? Would it be better to give out zero-point (but official) warnings so that they stay on your semi-permanent record to be used by other moderators who may want to take previous un-punished behavior into consideration when that previous behavior was patrolled by another mod? Or do you all have dossiers on us to keep this stuff written down where every mod can read it?
    Et tu BAUT? Quantum mutatus ab illo.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    14,315
    Quote Originally Posted by macaw View Post
    If you want to lose a lot of mainstream posters in favor of keeping the fringe ones that get away with murder, then by all means. There is no reason to keep the points for such large durations, the scheme should be : 10, 20 and 40 days. The way you have it set up looks more like the DMV.
    I concur.

    If I had the opportunity to revamp my primes model from decades ago, it would probably look something like this:

    1. Rules violations will result in a warning or suspension at the moderator's discretion, depending on the severity of the rules violation.

    2. Each warning advances the user by one level, and each suspension advances the user two levels.

    3. Each level corresponds to a prime number. Thus, Level 1 = 3. Level 2 = 5. Level 3 = 7, and so on.

    4. If you're ever suspended, it will be for the number of days associated with your level. Thus, if you're at Level 3, and you are suspended, it will be for 7 days.

    5. User's levels are reduced by one level every 30 days. Thus, if you were at Level 3 in January, you'll be back to Level 1 by March.

    6. Permanent bans remain available for anyone wishing to burst forth in foul-mouthed tirades, threaten legal action against the board, its members, or its officers, or who otherwise chooses to flagrantly violate the rules or behaves in a manner which is excessively contrary to good morale and discipline.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,804
    Quote Originally Posted by macaw View Post
    If you want to lose a lot of mainstream posters in favor of keeping the fringe ones that get away with murder, then by all means. There is no reason to keep the points for such large durations, the scheme should be : 10, 20 and 40 days. The way you have it set up looks more like the DMV.
    Think about it also.

    It makes an ATM presenter more timid as well.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Olympia, WA
    Posts
    27,537
    Quote Originally Posted by abcdefg View Post
    Think about it also.

    It makes an ATM presenter more timid as well.
    It'd be nice if it made them take the time to prepare their idea before presenting.
    _____________________________________________
    Gillian

    "Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

    "You can't erase icing."

    "I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    10,145
    Is there a statute of limitations?
    The points system on a UK driving licence eventually lapses, for instance, and one starts again with a clean slate.
    Do we want people to recover completely clean slates after a time period? Or do we want people to be nudged ever closer to permanent banning with each successive offence, no matter how widely spaced?

    Edit: OK, answered while I was typing.

    Grant Hutchison

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    29,158
    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    Is there a statute of limitations?
    The points system on a UK driving licence eventually lapses, for instance, and one starts again with a clean slate.
    Do we want people to recover completely clean slates after a time period? Or do we want people to be nudged ever closer to permanent banning with each successive offence, no matter how widely spaced?

    Grant Hutchison
    Moderators already consider the length of time since the last rule violation when deciding what to do about the current one. This wouldn't change that - moderators have the leeway to decide that, because it's been a year since the last offense, this new violation will be considered a first offense rather than a second or third.

    Again, the awarding of points remains a completely manual process subject to the moderators' judgment. It's only the result of awarding the points that's automated.
    Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Olympia, WA
    Posts
    27,537
    I think we all know this isn't going to please everyone, but we all know nothing will. I'm relatively happy with it, though, because I think the biggest problem I've had with past moderation would not have happened under this system.
    _____________________________________________
    Gillian

    "Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

    "You can't erase icing."

    "I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Northern Utah
    Posts
    5,886
    When a point is given, will the offender be notified? Will the offending person have a chance to present a defense of any sort?
    I'm Not Evil.
    An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    The beautiful north coast (Ohio)
    Posts
    39,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Tog_ View Post
    When a point is given, will the offender be notified? Will the offending person have a chance to present a defense of any sort?
    You will receive a PM about the infraction, it is an automatic part of the system.

    I suspect the defense system will be no different than it is now.
    At night the stars put on a show for free (Carole King)

    All moderation in purple - The rules

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    29,158
    If anyone would like to receive a zero-point infraction that expires after an hour, just to see what it looks like from the receiving end, let us know. We have a test one in the system that most of the moderators have experienced already.
    Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Northern Utah
    Posts
    5,886
    Sure. I'll take one.
    I'm Not Evil.
    An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.

  26. #26
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    The beautiful north coast (Ohio)
    Posts
    39,638
    Quote Originally Posted by Tog_ View Post
    Sure. I'll take one.
    Done. Thanks for being a test case.
    At night the stars put on a show for free (Carole King)

    All moderation in purple - The rules

  27. #27
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Northern Utah
    Posts
    5,886
    Cool it shows up in the user control panel too. That way people that get then can see when they expire.

    Edit: There is now an infraction tab on my profile too. Can that be seen by everyone?
    I'm Not Evil.
    An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.

  28. #28
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Posts
    13,222
    Quote Originally Posted by Tog_ View Post
    There is now an infraction tab on my profile too. Can that be seen by everyone?
    I don't see it in your profile.

  29. #29
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    222
    Quote Originally Posted by Tog_ View Post
    Cool it shows up in the user control panel too. That way people that get then can see when they expire.

    Edit: There is now an infraction tab on my profile too. Can that be seen by everyone?
    I've just checked and couldn't see anything about it on your profile - but then I may have visited after it expired, I'm not sure.

  30. #30
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    3,201
    Quote Originally Posted by ToSeek View Post
    If anyone would like to receive a zero-point infraction that expires after an hour, just to see what it looks like from the receiving end, let us know. ...
    Can we earn it?

Similar Threads

  1. BAUT moderation now using infraction system
    By ToSeek in forum Forum Rules, FAQs, and Information
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 2010-Oct-25, 12:31 AM
  2. We Should Change Baut's Ranking System
    By Knowledge_Seeker in forum Off-Topic Babbling
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 2006-Feb-25, 09:58 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
here
The forum is sponsored in-part by: