Something strange in orbit.

[galacsi]

This is not a conspiracy , these are official NASA pictures :

ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-65.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-66.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-67.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-68.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-69.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-70.JPG

These pictures has been found ,not by me , but by a webmaster from the site : http://alienforces.wordpress.com/

I read about it in a French magazine named "TOP SECRET".

So what are the pictures about , if not of an Alien Craft ?

[favole]

I dont know what that is but it would be kinda cool and scary if there where aliens.

[slang]

So what are the pictures about , if not of an Alien Craft ?

A human craft. I think it's safe to guess that the STS088 in the filenam means that these are images taken during STS-88. From that link it should be pretty obvious what the object could be.

[Fortis]

This is not a conspiracy , these are official NASA pictures :

ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-65.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-66.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-67.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-68.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-69.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_S...088-724-70.JPG

These pictures has been found ,not by me , but by a webmaster from the site : http://alienforces.wordpress.com/

I read about it in a French magazine named "TOP SECRET".

So what are the pictures about , if not of an Alien Craft ?

What is the context? When, during the STS88 mission, were the photos taken?

[Jason_Roberts]

Are the objects in these images being presented as an ATM theory advocating that they are evidence that suggest some sort of extraterrestrial intelligence or technology?

[Neverfly]

I've seen so many STS photos of debris, panels, bolts and whatnot else floating in Earth orbit. No one pays those any attention.

But when we see a photo that is not as easily identified as a panel or a bolt, it magically becomes Aliens.

Thanks Galasci.

This thread is very demonstrative and these photos the epitome of seeing what you want to see when what you see is not clearly defined.

[Fortis]

Let's for the moment assume that this object is an alien spacecraft. It seems unlikely that the person taking the photos was unaware of the apparent object in his/her field of view. They also should be aware of any objects that were of human origin in the vicinity. If this "object" wasn't one of those, then the astronaut must have been aware that they were taking photographs of something rather unusual. Presumably this would have led to one of two outcomes.

1) The news would have been widely broadcast, and these photos would have been so well known by now that this thread would not have existed. ... or ...

2) A cover-up would have taken place, with the first action being the concealment of these images. Hmmmmm...

The existence of this thread suggests that neither of these two options are correct, which leaves a third option.

There is nothing very unusual contained in these images.

[slang]

A bit of googling turns up this page, with the following instructions:

1. Go to http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/
2. click on Find Photos / Seach / Mission-Roll-Frame
3. Find and click in the Mission list STS088
4. Enter in the Roll field 724
5. Click on run query
6. Scroll down and click on next Page (page 2)

The dates listed there put the photographs at Dec 11 1998, 4 days before landing. The mission logs indicate that at that time Endeavour was still docked with Zarya and Unity. The page lists the object as space debris.

[galacsi]

I dont know what that is but it would be kinda cool and scary if there where aliens.

Why scary ? Because of bad scifi ?

[galacsi]

A human craft. I think it's safe to guess that the STS088 in the filenam means that these are images taken during STS-88. From that link it should be pretty obvious what the object could be.

Obvious ? So can you say it , please ! And if you say Zarya and Unity by advance I disagree !

[galacsi]

I've seen so many STS photos of debris, panels, bolts and whatnot else floating in Earth orbit. No one pays those any attention.

But when we see a photo that is not as easily identified as a panel or a bolt, it magically becomes Aliens.

Did you had a look at the sized up pictures in the site http://alienforces.wordpress.com/ ?

This thread is very demonstrative and these photos the epitome of seeing what you want to see when what you see is not clearly defined.

I don't want to see anything , I do see something strange , maybe not from our planet. But of course you can prove me wrong ! And this is the rule of this game, so what are you waiting for ? No magazine psychology please , a good factual analysis that prove this is a terrestrial thing .

[galacsi]

Let's for the moment assume that this object is an alien spacecraft. It seems unlikely that the person taking the photos was unaware of the apparent object in his/her field of view. They also should be aware of any objects that were of human origin in the vicinity. If this "object" wasn't one of those, then the astronaut must have been aware that they were taking photographs of something rather unusual. Presumably this would have led to one of two outcomes.

1) The news would have been widely broadcast, and these photos would have been so well known by now that this thread would not have existed. ... or ...

2) A cover-up would have taken place, with the first action being the concealment of these images. Hmmmmm...

The existence of this thread suggests that neither of these two options are correct, which leaves a third option.

There is nothing very unusual contained in these images.

Yes may be , or there is an other option : it has been taken by an automaton and nobody cared to examine it in details , before this webmaster did it. Scanning all the photos is an enormous work and few people are motivated enough to do it.

[galacsi]

A bit of googling turns up this page, with the following instructions:



The dates listed there put the photographs at Dec 11 1998, 4 days before landing. The mission logs indicate that at that time Endeavour was still docked with Zarya and Unity. The page lists the object as space debris.

Yes , and thanks for your help !

But it does not look like a space debris to me , but like a shape changing craft . In the last photo you clearly see 3 little lights on one side and a big one on the other.

[galacsi]

Are the objects in these images being presented as an ATM theory advocating that they are evidence that suggest some sort of extraterrestrial intelligence or technology?

No , not a "Theory" , photos taken by Nasa itself.

[slang]

Obvious ? So can you say it , please ! And if you say Zarya and Unity by advance I disagree !

If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread before replying you could see that I already ruled those two out, because they were still docked. But Zarya was my first guess, yes, before doing any searching.

[Fortis]

A bit of googling turns up this page, with the following instructions:



The dates listed there put the photographs at Dec 11 1998, 4 days before landing. The mission logs indicate that at that time Endeavour was still docked with Zarya and Unity. The page lists the object as space debris.

It's a bit surreal that it is from a body building site.

[Fortis]

Yes , and thanks for your help !

But it does not look like a space debris to me , but like a shape changing craft . In the last photo you clearly see 3 little lights on one side and a big one on the other.

Please can you say, in your own words, what debris should look like and how this object is inconsistent with the debris hypothesis? Can you also say what a shape changing alien spacecraft should look like, along with any sources for this description?

[speedfreek]

I don't want to see anything , I do see something strange , maybe not from our planet. But of course you can prove me wrong ! And this is the rule of this game, so what are you waiting for ? No magazine psychology please , a good factual analysis that prove this is a terrestrial thing .

Err no, I think the rules of this game (i.e. ATM) is that you prove this thing is not terrestrial.

It is a piece of space debris. We have left a hell of a lot of junk in orbit around our planet. The logical solution is that the item in question is of terrestrial origin. What makes you think that it "maybe not from our planet"? Why do you think you are seeing lights on it, rather than just simply seeing sun-lit surfaces catching the light?

[Fortis]

Can anyone say anything about the source of the photos? Were they taken by a handheld camera?

[slang]

Can anyone say anything about the source of the photos? Were they taken by a handheld camera?

I think that's highly likely, for two reasons: one, you can see the frame of a window in different positions in different shots, and two: the database they come from is called "The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth". See also this link for the first image: "Camera: HB: Hasselblad".

The "nobody bothered to look at them before" argument needs evidence, since it seems extremely unlikely, and not just because the database already contains a short description of the object.

[captain swoop]

As Speedfreak points out, the rules of this game can be found in the link at the bottom of this post.

Galacsi. What 'ATM' theory are you presenting? State it in the next post and then support it. answer questions.
No 'Games' please.

[Fortis]

I think that's highly likely, for two reasons: one, you can see the frame of a window in different positions in different shots, and two: the database they come from is called "The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth". See also this link for the first image: "Camera: HB: Hasselblad".

The "nobody bothered to look at them before" argument needs evidence, since it seems extremely unlikely, and not just because the database already contains a short description of the object.

I thought the presence of an out of focus window probably indicated a handheld image. The additional background that you have provided pretty much nails it.

So, Galacsi, how can the photographer not have noticed the presence of an alien spaceship in his viewfinder?

[galacsi]

Please can you say, in your own words, what debris should look like and how this object is inconsistent with the debris hypothesis? Can you also say what a shape changing alien spacecraft should look like, along with any sources for this description?

Yes easily , debris looks like debris , you know. When I see debris of a car ,(some have burn last week in my collective garage ) I can see there are debris and not cars. And so on . .

And a shape changing thing , you know is a thing whose shape is changing . .

These questions are ridiculous and only to annoy.

It would be more useful and conclusive if you can show me a picture of an identified space debris and I am compelled to acknowledge it is the same thing".

[galacsi]

Err no, I think the rules of this game (i.e. ATM) is that you prove this thing is not terrestrial.

It is a piece of space debris. We have left a hell of a lot of junk in orbit around our planet. The logical solution is that the item in question is of terrestrial origin. What makes you think that it "maybe not from our planet"? Why do you think you are seeing lights on it, rather than just simply seeing sun-lit surfaces catching the light?

Does not look like a tank or a rocket stage . Shape is changing and not only because we see it from different angles. (IMO)

And I don't know anything that look like it.

[Neverfly]

Did you had a look at the sized up pictures in the site http://alienforces.wordpress.com/ ?

They look the same, to me.

I don't want to see anything , I do see something strange , maybe not from our planet.

Talk about a glaring contradiction. You want to see an alien craft.

But of course you can prove me wrong ! And this is the rule of this game, so what are you waiting for ? No magazine psychology please , a good factual analysis that prove this is a terrestrial thing .

No... You prove that the object in question is what you claimit to be.

But it does not look like a space debris to me , but like a shape changing craft

Robinson, meet Van Rijn's invisible elf.

[LotusExcelle]

Just because you don't know of anything - nor can *you* imagine it is spinning and that is why it appears different - doesn't mean it is alien. Your lack of knowledge on space debris does not make something YOU can't personally identify an alien craft. And it IS your burden to prove it is what you claim NOT ours to prove it isn't.

[galacsi]

I thought the presence of an out of focus window probably indicated a handheld image. The additional background that you have provided pretty much nails it.

So, Galacsi, how can the photographer not have noticed the presence of an alien spaceship in his viewfinder?

Don't know , the object is rather small on the picture , so may be it did not ring a bell at the time.We are not even sure the photograph took notice of it.

[galacsi]

Just because you don't know of anything - nor can *you* imagine it is spinning and that is why it appears different - doesn't mean it is alien. Your lack of knowledge on space debris does not make something YOU can't personally identify an alien craft. And it IS your burden to prove it is what you claim NOT ours to prove it isn't.

Of course the object is seen from different angles and then what ?

And are you an expert in space debris ? I am all ears , so to speak.

[galacsi]

Is anybody know a way to estimate the size and or distance of this thing ?

[LotusExcelle]

Of course the object is seen from different angles and then what ?

And are you an expert in space debris ? I am all ears , so to speak.

Are you all ears? I doubt that as your first claim is that it is an alien craft and you have not supported that claim yet. Is that no longer your claim? Do you understand that I don't have to offer anything to this conversation but asking questions and asking you to back up your claim?

Can you back it up?