If the Universe is expanding, there must be a quantum description for that expansion.

[Capricorn Star]

This is an example of a Universe that has just deunifed into a random configuration of space, time, and matter. Time is resticted to traveling at a speed of 10 units of spacetime at within a frame. In a loop universe as is our own, if you fall off one end of the universe you land safely onto the other side no problem.

You can see how allowing the empty space around the different energy reference points (galaxies) leads to a universe that grows and expands over time, as well as preditcting the clumping of matter into galaxies and galaxy clusters and red shifts of light pulses as they travel from the origin to the destination within an expanding virtual space medium. The farther the virtual distance between two observers the at the start of the timeline thread the greater the time dilation or space between points by the end of the sequence. The universe is made to expand larger anytime two units of matter come together without enough space to accomodate their full momentum of energy, new empty space must be created. What you will find is that a unit of space can be converted into a unit of time of matter and vice versa. Mor eon that alter. Any time two quanta are joined together they create an area of new space evenly distributed on each side of the new double energy clump along a straight line. This energy clump now comprised of 2 units of matter now resists further movement so all movement values are cut in half from then on as both objects must be moved so double the expansive pressure is required.

I do not want to belabour this part, we will come back to this post often.

[abcdefg]

This is an example of a Universe that has just deunifed into a random configuration of space, time, and matter. Time is resticted to traveling at a speed of 10 units of spacetime at within a frame. In a loop universe as is our own, if you fall off one end of the universe you land safely onto the other side no problem.

You can see how allowing the empty space around the different energy reference points (galaxies) leads to a universe that grows and expands over time, as well as preditcting the clumping of matter into galaxies and galaxy clusters and red shifts of light pulses as they travel from the origin to the destination within an expanding virtual space medium. The farther the virtual distance between two observers the at the start of the timeline thread the greater the time dilation or space between points by the end of the sequence. The universe is made to expand larger anytime two units of matter come together without enough space to accomodate their full momentum of energy, new empty space must be created. What you will find is that a unit of space can be converted into a unit of time of matter and vice versa. Mor eon that alter. Any time two quanta are joined together they create an area of new space evenly distributed on each side of the new double energy clump along a straight line. This energy clump now comprised of 2 units of matter now resists further movement so all movement values are cut in half from then on as both objects must be moved so double the expansive pressure is required.

I do not want to belabour this part, we will come back to this post often.

You present some interesting material. Nice visuals as well.

However, if space is expanding, then does the internal metric for an inertial frame expand over time?

[macaw]

You present some interesting material. Nice visuals as well.

However, if space is expanding, then does the internal metric for an inertial frame expand over time?

7. What is the "internal metric for an inertial frame" ?
8. Write down its mathematical expression and we'll talk.

[Tensor]

I am curious.

Exactly where do you get the timing mechanism to implement the forces based on exchange particles?

Clearly, synchronicity is a necessary condition for the exchange and the implementation of the force.

Where is the timer?

Check out the Pi and Rho mesons and the Residual Strong Froce. Before the quark model, this was considered the Strong Force, which held the nucleus together. It is now considered a residual effect of the color force, through exchange of the Pi and Rho mesons between the neutron and proton, within the nucleus. Sorta like the van der Waal forces work between atoms and molecules.

[abcdefg]

Check out the Pi and Rho mesons and the Residual Strong Froce. Before the quark model, this was considered the Strong Force, which held the nucleus together. It is now considered a residual effect of the color force, through exchange of the Pi and Rho mesons between the neutron and proton, within the nucleus. Sorta like the van der Waal forces work between atoms and molecules.

Confinement, which means that the force between quarks does not diminish as they are separated. Because of this, it would take an infinite amount of energy to separate two quarks; they are forever bound into hadrons such as the proton and the neutron. Although analytically unproven, confinement is widely believed to be true because it explains the consistent failure of free quark searches, and it is easy to demonstrate in lattice QCD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamics

This is what I mean.

[Capricorn Star]

Thanks for your time so far friends.

As I promised at the title of this thread, I have described the expansion of the universe in terms of quantum language of decaying virtual particles.

This theory allows you to picture the universe in a way that makes all relevent terms such as time and space and energy fully qualified. No more abstract notions.

I have been considering the implications of the theory and I realize that this theory has the potential to expain in terms anyone can understand the nature of the universe itself. The Once unified reality deunified into separate realms, the real and the virtual. The virtual realm of imagination will always have unlimited probabalistic numeric value potential, where as the real world will always be deterministic and limited or quantum. All things, real or imagined, can be factored into this theory and model. Predictions are very easy to make, thus this theory has powerful predictive potential. Such that this information could be used for bad things. Thus, I should not reveal all aspects of the theory at once. hat this field does, is it qualifies the notion of virtuality.

This first deunification creates the "forces" of gravitatinal attraction and intergalactic expansion as inverse operations. This is the basic idea. That expanding space pressures moves matter around within it, not the other way around. Matter does not need to attract other matter. Thus no need to limit the speed of "gravity" nor the speed of expansion. Now we have a reason to assume the big bang really occured, at least from our internal perpective.

Virtual particles such as the B temporon do not need to move at all. No need to break the speed limit of light speed. Once created a virtual unit of spacetime cannot be destroyed except by special circumstances, thus building the future on the information presented by the past. However, an anti b temporon can cause space to compress by destroying the normal B temporons between two points leading to charged particles and powerful short range forces. More on that later.

There is more than 1 type of B temporon. The B+temporon decay in an unbiased linear fashion into all possible directions makes it clear that gravity as an attractive force is not necessary. The b-temp decay creates the very effects we are seeing in nature.

The once unified field further deunifies beyond just the primary stage and when it does it leads to more complex B temporal states some of them negative which leads to more complex particles and forces. After we are on the same page more or less in terms of gravitation expansion unification, I will reveal how the electro/weak force arises fully from the second stage of field deunification.

Real energy also deunifies into matter and antimatter, but this is all part of the second deunification of electrical charge which occurs in a different spacial dimension than gravitation.

As I mentioned, due to concerns over safety, I do not know if I should explain the third deunification that leads to the creation or effect of the strong nuclear force as color charged space. One stage at a time.

[Tensor]

Confinement, which means that the force between quarks does not diminish as they are separated. Because of this, it would take an infinite amount of energy to separate two quarks; they are forever bound into hadrons such as the proton and the neutron. Although analytically unproven, confinement is widely believed to be true because it explains the consistent failure of free quark searches, and it is easy to demonstrate in lattice QCD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamics

This is what I mean.

What? Do you want the explanation from lattice QCD, or do you want how gauge connections work in Fock space? Or do you want the admittance that it hasn't been proven mathematically in QCD? If it's the latter, no problem. It's well known that it hasn't been. On the other hand, several predictions have been verified using the assumption it is viable.

Or, are you jumping on the "Technically it's not a attraction theory? Please be a bit more specific.

On second thought, since this is a straight question on a mainstream idea, it would be better for you to ask the question in Q and A and it would be better for the OP to keep his thread free from these type of questions and any other ideas.

[mungoid]

Predictions are very easy to make, thus this theory has powerful predictive potential. Such that this information could be used for bad things. Thus, I should not reveal all aspects of the theory at once. hat this field does, is it qualifies the notion of virtuality.

As I mentioned, due to concerns over safety, I do not know if I should explain the third deunification that leads to the creation or effect of the strong nuclear force as color charged space. One stage at a time.

I sense a red flag on the horizon...

[captain swoop]

What concerns over safety?

[Capricorn Star]

Peers,

Please do not allow that which I have not yet shared to distract you from fully conceiving the implications of that which I have already shared. I may not have given you all of the money in my wallet, but that does not mean that I did not give up more than I could probably afford. Or maybe I'm just miserly! I am a Capricorn afterall!

This is not a joke. That does not mean however, that it is not still very funny!

I am surprised that no one has asked any questions on what I have presented so far. Did anyone really look at the info so far? Not one question on anything? Either i did a fantastic job of explaining, or I have done a very poor one, which is it? I need questions or I cannot explain the theory. One thing this theorem teaches you, there is no point in answering a question that has not yet been asked. Only those questions we ask have meaningful answers. I need to address the question posted about the time frames and light speed adjusting. To explain this limitation I must explain the second deunification of electro/weak force, for which is soon to come.

Once all 4 deunifications are clear to you, It's hard to explain, somehow you feel very "responsible" for any negative outcomes.

The virtual B temporon decays into many different forms, each decay structure creates a new and distinct virtual foam or special layer of spacetime that has a different surface tension than the others.

Where this is all going:
Primary deunification = gravitation and expansion, red shift, general relativity aspects
Secondary Deunification= magnetism, weak nuclear force, special relativity aspects
Third deunification = Quark theory, strong nuclear force, confinement
Fourth deunification = hyperstrong force* hyperconfinement: intrinsic spin, quantum entanglement, Pauli Exclusion, and Heisenberg Uncertainty.

The fourth deunification, hyperstrong force is very, peculiar. It implies that the Universe itself has a "memory." At this stage the time field itself has deunified three times, which means that "time" passes in at least four different directions. That leads to a flurry of color charges, and a slew of "particles." Keeping it all straight is nearly impossible, if not for a few key components of this special "force." The hyperstrong is potentially the thing that holds reality itself together. It can also be the thing that tears reality itself apart, so I am very very concerned about it. Like all natural phenomena, the hyperstrong force could be manipulated, and utilized for purposes. Who knows what those purposes might become in the hands of those who do not understand how serious this can become? Hyperstrong reactions are VERY energetic, and act at an infinite distance. Lets just say, that if you understand the hyperstrong force, you can determine that quarks are not fully elementary, nor are any other particles beyond first generation leptons, and you will have a solid reason as to why and how you can "separate" quarks. By separating quarks at will to any distance you choose, you can get some serious energy released from the "vacuum" of space itself as confinement steps in. The hyperstrong tells you how to "turn off" the strong force long enough to separate quarks.

The Distinction Theory of Temporal Displacement assumes that the Universe must exist not only as a mathematically sound entity, but as a philosophically sound model as well. Thus this model extends much farther than just physics, but to all aspects of life.

One of the problems of such a unifying theory, is that it takes away the thing we as humans need most to function, and that is the notion of free will itself.

Some say we have free will, but if that were true then I would be able to fly without wings. If will was free I would be able to do anything. Free will is limited. if anything, we enjoy only a few degrees of freedom, not truly free will.

What worries me, is that after the second stage of deunification is explained, it does not take a grand leap of intellect to ponder and even to predict the third anf fourth stage.

Thanks for your time so far. I need to make a few things very clear about the first stage before the second stage of magnetism will not make any sense. However, I cannot do this tonight, I need a few units of time.

[BigDon]

Dude, your babbling now.

[DrWho]

I need to make a few things very clear about the first stage before the second stage of magnetism will not make any sense.

Can't wait for the second stage.

[Hungry4info]

I am surprised that no one has asked any questions on what I have presented so far.

Aliens have visted Earth, helped the Egyptians build the Statue of Liberty during the ice age, and built the moon for our viewing pleasure. Any questions? This is where people sort of laugh it off and not ask anything, because it's pretty obvious that the proposition is just silly. So, do not be surprised that you haven't gotten any questions asking you to elabourate on the other half of your mysterious teachings.

One thing this theorem teaches you, there is no point in answering a question that has not yet been asked. Only those questions we ask have meaningful answers.

I thought your hypothesis was about expanding space and what-not?

I need questions or I cannot explain the theory.

If your hypothesis is sound, you won't need us to help you make it up as you go.

Once all 4 deunifications are clear to you, It's hard to explain, somehow you feel very "responsible" for any negative outcomes.

About how we're all going to feel to be "proven wrong" about 2012?

The virtual B temporon decays into many different forms, each decay structure creates a new and distinct virtual foam or special layer of spacetime that has a different surface tension than the others.

And what are virtual B temporons? Googling the term yielded nothing relevant but this very thread.

The fourth deunification, hyperstrong force is very, peculiar. It implies that the Universe itself has a "memory." At this stage the time field itself has deunified three times, which means that "time" passes in at least four different directions. That leads to a flurry of color charges, and a slew of "particles."

You've got to realise that with writing stuff like this, it doesn't help you seem... knowledgable about the Universe. So I must ask, just what are you talking about? It seems quite clear you've been babbling about nonsensical half-attempts at applying "cool science terms" to random ideas that have no application to reality.

Thanks for your time so far. I need to make a few things very clear about the first stage before the second stage of magnetism will not make any sense.

If this whole thing about "Distinction Theory" makes sense to you, then I sure hate to see what you've thought up for this "second stage of magnetism" :LOL:!

I'm sorry man, but if you want to convince anyone, stop, go back, and explain all that other stuff first. Preferably in terms that are recognized by the scientific community, and preferably without making things up.

It's very hard for anyone who has the slightest knowledge of how the Universe works to keep a straight face while reading your post.

[Capricorn Star]

Hungry4info,

Not sure how to respond to you.

While I appreciate your willingness to participate in this discussion, I do not appreciate your attempts to mock me. Nor do I appreciate the accusation that I am "making things up as I go." That is not the case at all. Seems to me, that if you could find a problem with my aliens built the statue of liberty argument, then you would have offered a relevant rebuttal. People have made such strange alien claims in these ATM threads before and other members argue the plausibility or lack thereof of these ideas. I think my idea is more likely to be true than aliens visiting Earth. Space expands, and it also contracts, which would make logical sense. The theory has more levels than what we have seen so far.

This is an ATM thread. This is an ATM forum. If all you are interested in is what is mainstream or what will support what you feel you already know, then you, not I, could be in the wrong place. I was told when I joined this forum that I would be required to answer specific questions, so I find that exciting. I was told this was the place to present never before heard of ideas. So I presented one.

Secondly, you nor any other human being including myself admittedly, has any real idea of how the universe really works. We can only comment on what we've been taught in school and what we tend to observe ourselves, there could be alot more going on than we yet observe or that school has taught us, that is my point. Everything we think we know is all based on theories. Even the things we "know" are subject to revision as we learn new things in the future. We do not know anything, and by we, I mean you too! Einstein proposed thought experiments to prove his points. He had to make predictions before anyone took him seriously. Einstein also wrongly assumed the universe was static, and that his cosmological constant was a bad idea. No one is perfect. I understand that very well. And skepticism is a good thing.

I want to make it clear, this is not an issue of intelligence. I do not think I am smarter than you. In fact, I think that one of the problems with this world is that too many of us are too darned smart and therefore are afraid to be wrong even for a second. We are afraid to distinguish ourselves from the crowd. We are afraid to take risks because we do not want our peers to poke fun at us and call us dumb or crazy or whatever. So, many good ideas sit in the attic never to be displayed. What good is that? All I ask is that you understand that it takes guts to propose anything at all. I do not know if I am fully right, but if I am, then great. If I am not, then even better because some of the predictions are troubling to me anyhow.

I want to say one more thing; there are alot of smart people in this world. With so many smart people, it would seem highly improbable that little mediocre me could have observed something special. But then, when you really think about it, aren't the odds always against us? Sperm fertilizing the egg, yet here we all are. The odds of existing in a Universe that supports life is very slim, yet here we find ourselves located in just such an improbable universe.

[Capricorn Star]

BigDon,

I never accused anyone of being "closed minded," never used the word "entrenched," and certainly never accused anoyone of being "limited." None of those words or phrases were ever offered in my posts, until now perhaps to hungry4. As far as I can tell, you read into my comments that which you wanted to read, not what I wrote at all. Please tell me where I accused others of anything at all?

DrWho,

I am glad you are at least willing to give me a chance. My reason for caution will be impossible to explain satisfactorily for the forum at this early point, so I should not even try to any further. I will present the ideas and hope that people ask questions later.

[Hungry4info]

I do not appreciate your attempts to mock me.

Please understand that I was commenting on your hypothesis, not you.

I think one of the problems that is causing a lack of rebuttal against your arguement is that any of us who would want to offer some scientific rebuttle would not know where to begin, or are confused by the ideas presented. We're left more with ".... what?" than with something that can be offered in rebuttle.

I was told when I joined this forum that I would be required to answer specific questions, so I find that exciting.

What observable evidence to you base your hypothesis on? Is it the best explanation (Explain!)? What testable predictions does your hypothesis make?

Secondly, you nor any other human being ... has any real idea of how the universe really works.

I certainly agree, and I agree with that entire paragraph. There is a ceratin amount of that-makes-physical-and-mathematical-sense that a new idea has to have. The way you describe your hypothesis seems rather fantasticlly imagined up.

The fourth deunification, hyperstrong force is very, peculiar. It implies that the Universe itself has a "memory." At this stage the time field itself has deunified three times, which means that "time" passes in at least four different directions. That leads to a flurry of color charges, and a slew of "particles."

If you believe, as you state, that your hypothesis has sound mathematics, what's the harm in presenting them? (or pointing us to them if you have them elsewhere)

I want to make it clear, this is not an issue of intelligence. I do not think I am smarter than you.

Likewise.

We are afraid to distinguish ourselves from the crowd.

I tend to have experience in distinguishing myself from crowds, but that's not the issue here. If a man claims to be from Venus (as happened way back in the 60's, or 70's, I forgot when), he is certainly distinguishing himself from the crowd. There's a certain amount of unbelievability that begs to have the hypotheses be torn apart. Aliens building the statue of liberty from earlier being an example.

The odds of existing in a Universe that supports life is very slim, yet here we find ourselves located in just such an improbable universe.

AFAIK, this is only one line of thinking for which there is no evidence. Of course, there's no evidence either way though.

[BigDon]

Wrong guy Capricorn. It was Jay who commented on entrenchment, I merely quoted him.

The last thing I did was point out that you were starting to post word salad.

[Tensor]

If you want questions, you still have the following, from the post I made, numbered #26. For clarification, I have bolded my original questions and have made new comments and questions below the quoted phrases.

Tensor , I actually do know a good deal about virtual particles, that is why I did not desribe them in the original post.

Then why did you misrepresent them in your first post? To quote you in the OP:

To describe a black hole in quantum terms demands that gravitons be unique to all other bosons and indeed travel fast enough to overcome the event horizon of a black hole"

If, as you claim, you know a good deal about virtual particles, why then do you claim that virtual gravitons would be unique in traveling greater than c, when virtual photons also travel greater than c?

This a biggie for me. It borders on dishonesty to misrepresent a position in science. Especially if you (as you now do) claim to know quite a bit about the position in question. If you want to be taken seriously at all, being dishonest about mainstream positions is not the way to go about it.

Gravity is described as a tensor field, and so is I argue is the Hubble Constant.

Well, then I await your equations showing how the Hubble constant works as a tensor field.

All you've done since is present a lot of words, with no equations. Your words mean nothing, without the mathematical backup. Oh, and claiming that General Relativity (GR) or Quantum Field Theory (QFT) are accurate doesn't cut it. You have something different than in either GR or QFT. You have to show how your idea enters into or at least agrees with the equations of GR and QFT. You have yet to do this. Please provide the board with these equations

What we are looking for is a Unified Field theory, one that can describe how a vector field of energy concentrations, extends into the scalar field, which relates to one or several tensor fields of space (gravity),

Why not make it easy and use a different rank tensor for each?

First off, who is the we here? Are you working on this with someone else? Second, this is in direct conflict with GR. In GR, energy enters into the equations through the Stress-Energy Tensor. It is not a vector field. And why would a Vector field "extend" into a scalar?

I am still developing the visuals, In a short while I should be able to return to you with some clear explanations and predictions. Thanks for your patience.

I, along with a lot of others here, would not be interested in visuals. More interested in equations.

So, we are still awaiting the answers. Not sure why you are saying they haven't been any questions.

[DrWho]

DrWho,

I am glad you are at least willing to give me a chance.

Unfortunately Cap, you give me false credit. I simply wished to be further amused.

[sirjon]

DrWho,

I am glad you are at least willing to give me a chance. My reason for caution will be impossible to explain satisfactorily for the forum at this early point, so I should not even try to any further. I will present the ideas and hope that people ask questions later.

I hope you would not misinterpret me. I'd been in your position before, I felt too I being mocked. But personally, now I realized that to have a better understanding of your ATM, you must also accept that in a process, there are loopholes on it that need better modifications. Don't take it personally...and one request, make your explanations shorter and easier to read, I'm having hard time digesting them...I'm not so good in idioms, for not coming from english spoken country...hope you understand me

[captain swoop]

I still want to know what the 'concerns over safety' are.

[Capricorn Star]

I understand now. I will be much clearer from here on. Thanks.

The math here is very simple. There will be no surprises.

I want to explain the math behind the graph. For reference I have uploaded the graph once again to this post. This graph is designed to demonstrate how the effects of runaway gravitation and runaway expansion could be related in a 2d fashion, like a thread. This is assuming there are no other forces at work, all neutrally charged matter. It is also predicted that the universe is indeed a loop, so the expansion of space has no single center point, all points are the "center." At any given time you have at least two distances from any other point, a shortes and a longest distance.

I know well that the real universe is not 2 dimensional, this is merely an illustration exercise to make a simple point. The graphs are provided merely to aid the thought experiment itself.

The graph shows a mere random sample of a highly idealized universe that has just expanded from "nothing" into "everything" based upon certain probabilistic intonation values, by means of an almost instant inflation.

We can apply this graph to roughly any scale, but for now let’s just assume we are describing a universe that has just begun to deunify into distinct quanta of pure energy and space, the very first few quintillionths of a second after the big bang perhaps. This random deunification or inflation has distributed the pure energy and the virtual energy of empty space very evenly about the universe. A small perturbation of distances between pure energy references in one local area of the new universe leads to a full runaway clumping and expanding universe as time passes. By the means described below.



Virtual Space:

I have taken "time" itself and sliced it into the thinnest possible portions of space. Space is represented by discreet units or virtual particles that behave in a constant manner. The virtual particle is unstable and decays into more virtual copies of itself, as it has no lower divisible*. Each generation of decays creates a new distinct time frame. The result is an outward expansion pressure that tends to compound, accelerating greater distance between objects over time when viewed along a straight line. The more distant two objects are at the start of the timeline, the more distant they become by the end of the timeline, in most cases, from both directions. Only those virtual spaces that are not occupied by quanta of energy or “matter” will decay into more copies of themselves. To determine the total potential of outward expansion pressure of a given area of virtual empty space apply the formula

x=3n

Where n is the total number of units of empty space collected along a straight line, x is the resulting total number of virtual space units after multiplication by 3.This is so that the expansion energy remains symmetrical along a straight line.



Matter, neutrally charged or 0 charge:

Each of the various colored beads represents a quanta of energy reference, perhaps matter itself. For simplicity sake, we will assume that all matter references have no electrical charge and no color charge, and are of the exact same mass. They could be pure energy and of black hole mass or you could assume they are all very low mass objects such as neutrinos born at the instant of leptogenesis, either way they do not interact with any forces other than "gravitation" or “expansion inflation”, and the overall mass is equal. They individually have no directional momentum or bias and are for all practical purposes in a state of perfect rest unless motivated by the inequality of the empty space around them to move.

To determine the total amount of “movement” of a given body or mass reference caused by the potential outward expansion energy received from the virtual empty space around it, and to determine in which direction this outward pressure is weakest, simply apply

Where x ≥ y, |2x – 2y|/ m = a
Edit:
Corrected Where x ≥ y, (x – y) / m = a

x is the larger of the two vectors; x represents the greatest total number of units of empty space found on any one side of a particular unit of matter. Where y is the side with the least amount of empty space and the least amount of outward expansion pressure. m represents the number of units of matter that may have clumped and thus are behaving now as one object. Think of this as resistance to further movement or mass. m is the basic expression for mass in this instance. a is the final number of units of space to be moved by the massive object during the next time frame. a can also be treated as a total sum of quantized inertial kinetic energy units or “memory.”

How virtual “memory” and rising matter concentrations expand space and drive the passage of time itself:

Whenever two units of matter are pushed together and collide from the expanding space pressures around them, it is due to a lack of available degrees of freedom or empty space between them to accommodate their full movement value. An “event” occurs which causes a universally felt phase change as a “shockwave,” as the left over kinetic energy of their collision is converted into new units of local empty space or degrees of freedom that did not exist previously along this straight line. This slight addition of a few new degrees of freedom into the local area of the collision adds to the already present virtual particle’s numbers decaying together into ever more degrees of freedom during the subsequent time frames. This action tends to accelerate separation expansion momentum over time among distant massive references, while compressing nearby references in a gravitational manner. This outward momentum is what powers the movement of time and therefore must be conserved as it compounds. Of any two given approaching mass references, the more massive body resists the most directional momentum from the space behind it upon collision with the less massive object. Knowing that these two bodies will collide, we must determine exactly the point in space where this collision will occur.

To determine where the two approaching bodies will meet, divide the larger mass by the smaller mass to derive a relative ratio of mass.

Where x ≥ y, x/y=n (round up or down to the nearest integer)

(d/n)/2=a (round up or down to the nearest integer)

d must be rounded up to the nearest divisible integer and is the distance or total empty space units available between x and y, and n is the relative mass of the two bodies, by dividing the available distance by the mass ratio we can determine how many of the available spaces will be occupied by the more massive body as they approach. The remaining empty spaces not occupied by the more massive body are free to be occupied by the less massive object as it approaches.

However, once merged into one object, the remaining “untraveled” units of empty space must in a sense be traveled still in order to conserve momentum. Treat the untraveled units of space as kinetic energy of the two mass references that must be conserved. This conservation is achieved by converting that kinetic energy into new units of empty space. Those new units are then distributed evenly onto each “side” of the merged object along this straight line. The result like is like a temporal shockwave. These collisions create new units of space that cause the universe to grow. These are called phase changes. The universe only grows in size when two masses collide. Thus expansion is not always accelerating. It goes through periods of normalization, just as has been observed by astronomers.

a + b/2= z

As “a” is the left over momentum of the more massive object, and b is the left over momentum of the less massive object, when combined and divided evenly we arrive at “z” representing the exact number of units of additional space to “add” to the thread in a symmetrical fashion onto each end of the massive reference.

Behavior of Light: Time Dilation, red shift

Time dilation
At the moment a pulse is released it travels in not one but two opposite directions theoretically. At any given time there is both a shortest distance and a longest distance between any two points in a closed loop universe. We need only to concern ourselves with the shorter of the two distances.
To determine the amount of expansion driven time dilation experienced by a pulse of light as it travels from its source to a given point of reference we will need to apply the following

d/x=v

Where d is the total number of units of space traveled by the photon when it finally arrives at its destination, and x is the total number of units of space between the two reference points at the origin point in time when the pulse was first initiated. “v” is the current resulting relative expansion velocity/ time dilation value between the pulse origin location and the final destination.

Red shift / blue shift

Photons or pulses carry exact quanta of energy. To determine the red/blue shift ratio we need simply to determine how the traveling observer will interpret the traveling pulse. This process involves the same equation as the time dilation as such

x/y= r

Wavelength is both an absolute and a relative measurement to some degree. For now we will treat wavelength as a single absolute numeric value, that will be observed at its destination in a relative sensibility. Where x is the number of space units traveled upon arrival, and y is the proper number of space units separating the two references at the time the pulse was first generated, the division of the two will give you a value “r”, that can be negative or positive. The energy carried by the photon must be multiplied or divided by this value “r.” If negative, the observer will perceive the photon has blue shift ed. However, if this value is positive which it often will be at galactic scales, the observer will perceive the photon has red shifted.



I hope this makes it a little easier to understand.

[Capricorn Star]

Okay folks. I have provided the basic information needed to begin to understand the graphs. I am hoping that someone will offer me a question or two?

[Tensor]

Well, I have the following from post 26 and from post 48.

If you want questions, you still have the following, from the post I made, numbered #26. For clarification, I have bolded my original questions and have made new comments and questions below the quoted phrases.

Tensor , I actually do know a good deal about virtual particles, that is why I did not desribe them in the original post.

Then why did you misrepresent them in your first post? To quote you in the OP:

To describe a black hole in quantum terms demands that gravitons be unique to all other bosons and indeed travel fast enough to overcome the event horizon of a black hole"

If, as you claim, you know a good deal about virtual particles, why then do you claim that virtual gravitons would be unique in traveling greater than c, when virtual photons also travel greater than c?

This a biggie for me. It borders on dishonesty to misrepresent a position in science. Especially if you (as you now do) claim to know quite a bit about the position in question. If you want to be taken seriously at all, being dishonest about mainstream positions is not the way to go about it.

Gravity is described as a tensor field, and so is I argue is the Hubble Constant.

Well, then I await your equations showing how the Hubble constant works as a tensor field.

All you've done since is present a lot of words, with no equations. Your words mean nothing, without the mathematical backup. Oh, and claiming that General Relativity (GR) or Quantum Field Theory (QFT) are accurate doesn't cut it. You have something different than in either GR or QFT. You have to show how your idea enters into or at least agrees with the equations of GR and QFT. You have yet to do this. Please provide the board with these equations

What we are looking for is a Unified Field theory, one that can describe how a vector field of energy concentrations, extends into the scalar field, which relates to one or several tensor fields of space (gravity),

Why not make it easy and use a different rank tensor for each?

First off, who is the we here? Are you working on this with someone else? Second, this is in direct conflict with GR. In GR, energy enters into the equations through the Stress-Energy Tensor. It is not a vector field. And why would a Vector field "extend" into a scalar?

I am still developing the visuals, In a short while I should be able to return to you with some clear explanations and predictions. Thanks for your patience.

I, along with a lot of others here, would not be interested in visuals. More interested in equations.

So, we are still awaiting the answers.

As for your most recent post, your "visual", and the explanation, they are all virtual useless. You do not explicitly define your variables. For instance, none of your variables have any kind of dimension associated with them. I've managed to figure out some below. Worse, you use the same variable (x), to indicate different values in different equations.

In reference to the following equation:

x ≥ y, (x – y) / m = a You claim x and y are units of space. This would indicate (in a full three dimensional example) that units would be m³ (cubic meters for volume). These are divided by m (which represents mass) and has units of kg. Your equation would have units of m³/kg. You claim " 'a' can also be treated as a total sum of quantized inertial kinetic energy units" The problem here is that your equation produces an a with units of m³/kg and if a is energy it has to have units of m³*kg/s². Your units don't match. So, from the first, your idea doesn't even contain the correct unit dimensions, and as a result, it is flat out wrong. You have the same problem with your other equations (left as an exercise for the poster) So, there's really nothing much left to talk about.

[Capricorn Star]

Tensor,

Thanks for your questions...I guess. So convinced I am an idiot are you?

to your questions:


1. Dishonesty to my mind, my friend, is claiming that you know for certain that virtual particles travel faster than c. I have not seen any proof of your claim, however if you can point me to the research I will gladly review it. Until then, please do not accuse me of dishonesty over such an odd thing. This is the second time you have done so, not certain why you would take it to such a level to discredit me, a complete stranger to you.

I may disagree with you on the speed of virtuals, but that does not however make me dishonest at all. Seems your entire philosophy on space-time and gravitation itself is built on this flimsy at best notion of superluminal gravitons. Anyone who disagrees with you is branded a liar it seems, and to your mind should be stoned to death. Without this convenient unproven crutch, you seem to be completely lost for rebuttal on my original post about the big bang problems.

If you would spare me one question...
Simply put Tensor, in a universe with superluminal attractive gravitation, how could the initial inflation expansion ever have occurred during the early instances of the big bang? We know for sure that photons and leptons and all real entities will be limited in maximum speed to a value of c. However there are some virtual particles, gluons, quarks, mesons, w bosons, z bos, and by your definition the graviton, which you propose would be part of a special elite class of force carriers capable of superluminal influence. However leptogenesis occurred before baryogeneisis, so this is odd. Why then did the superluminal attractive gravitation influence introduced by leptogenesis fail to keep pace with the superluminal rate of inflation such that the universal expansion rate would be decreasing currently instead of increasing?

Gravity as described by Newton and later revised by Einstein is very clear on its intention to concentrate energy, If attractive gravitation can influence the vast areas of entire universes in one instant of time as you propose, then no other force, not even inflation itself would be able to overcome its grasp at any scale large or small. Unfortunately, the notion of superluminal gravitons actually flies directly into the face of accepted big bang theory, which is very mainstream indeed. Have you never really thought this whole "virtual speed" thing through to the end? Maybe if you SHOW ME THE MATH that proves superluminal virtual particles I will be convinced. Your words alone mean less than nothing.




2. I would love nothing more than to bury the discussion in equations where you feel the safest, however, equations alone don't do much either. String theory is beautiful math but it is very difficult to apply it to anything specifically and it does not fit in squarely with GR or QM either, yet it is not without profound merit. I can build models but you are right, I need to do more than that. So solidifying the math of Distinction Theory is required, I agree! Thanks for that point. Being that I do not have the most extensive math background compared to some like yourself perhaps, I feel I will gain a great deal of insight from those like you who may know how to interpret thoughts into equations more effectively than I do. If my equations are wrong you might aid me in correcting them with your rebuttal. You do not have to say I am just plain wrong. I am not beyond revising less accurate formulas for better ones. Start with your intuition, and if intuitions are correct then the math will follow! I trust the math will follow. Here's why.

Very simple dude, there is no possible logical way to describe the universe as a whole including intergalactic space expansion in a quantum mechanical language without quantizing empty space itself to some degree. It is logically inevitable, a very safe prediction, that space becomes grainy when viewed at the proper magnification. You cannot quantize gravity without quantizing space which means quantizing the expansion of space also. When you quantize space and consider accelerating expansion you realize something crazy, there are more bits of space today than there were yesterday and there will be even more tomorrow. If space is a sea of troubles, there are more troubles now than ever and mounting.

I am just cutting to the chase. Just like the air molecules around us provide enough "pressure" to hold our bodies together preventing us from flying apart in a vacuum, so the expansion of space all around us to eternity presses us down onto the surface of the Earth preventing us from flying away from it. Pressure is key, along with balance variations. Space moves matter, matter merely follows the flow and currents of moving space around it like floating leaves.
Elementary particles such as leptons occludes the flow of "time" or virtual space from its adjacent sides, creating the interaction of mass.
Do not be confused. At the Planck scale, atoms are completely transparent, heck, so are protons for that matter. The fact that electrons are quantized prevents the atom from collapsing under normal pressures, giving the atom structure. This structure ensures that matter will only gain certain levels of density at certain scales. This is key to the prevention of runaway gravitiaon and expansion the reason quantum gravity is not obvious.

When viewed in full 4 dimensions, my theory regarding expansion and gravitation looks like a form of outward pressure. Most of the relevant math you will need has already been written as far as observation is concerned in regards to pressure systems. Some modifications will be needed, I know.

How it all ties into GR and QFT is the entire point of this thread. I have already explained how this theory ties into gravitation and time dilation, which is GR itself and I have explained that the appearance of empty space is created by a unique virtual particle that decays into more copies of itself, appearing to push some objects closer together while pushing others away when observed by a passing photon, or other observer. Why does the b temp decay into more copies of itself? The b temporon is like a very massive virtual photon that carries a nearly unlimited but still specified quanta of energy. This particle wants to achieve a 0 state but it currently carries a positive non 0 value. Thus it decays into more copies of itself, each generation of new copies is essentially less "energetic" than the previous but still at a non 0 value so decay continues thus expansion accelerates over time. The decay will be quantized in manner, thus the expansion of space will be quantized. The scale of the b-temp is the Planck length. When a b -temp decays it creates a bubble of new degrees of freedom equal as you note to m3.

I do not know what will happen however when that 0 value is reached, one of the troubling predictions of this theory. Once the b temp becomes "stable" there is nothing to prevent the universe from collapsing superluminally and instantly into another pre bang particle. Starting the cycle again. This is due to the other forces. More on that.




3. The wisest thing to do would be to relate all mass values to the mass of the electron neutrino. There seems to be no less massive "real" entity, nor are there any predicted by QM. First generation leptons seem to be the eternally stable default "particles" or expression of matter itself. This also extends in some cases to charge, as the least massive electrically charged particles are the electron and positron.

For this theory, all masses are assumed as proportional to electron masses. It matters not the exact mass by other units of measure, it matters only in its relationship to the electron. Electron neutrino masses make logical sense as a starting place to quantize mass.

Tensor wrote:

"In reference to the following equation:

x ≥ y, (x – y) / m = a You claim x and y are units of space. This would indicate (in a full three dimensional example) that units would be m3 (cubic meters for volume). These are divided by m (which represents mass) and has units of kg. Your equation would have units of m3/kg. You claim " 'a' can also be treated as a total sum of quantized inertial kinetic energy units" The problem here is that your equation produces an a with units of m3/kg and if a is energy it has to have units of m3*kg/s2. Your units don't match. So, from the first, your idea doesn't even contain the correct unit dimensions, and as a result, it is flat out wrong. You have the same problem with your other equations (left as an exercise for the poster) So, there's really nothing much left to talk about. "

My equation is still valid. The matter references are not "really" moving, they are merely being displaced in relation to one another in terms of a passing pulse of light. Better stated, the influences of the expanding space are confined to the virtual realm until they push two matter references or "observers" to collide making the virtual movements momentarily real.

You seem to miss an important point here. "a" is only required to be treated as left over kinetic inertial energy at the point when/where collisions occur. Virtual energy is conserved as virtual energy in this interaction, I never proposed any transformation into real photons, you are confused. There are virtual energies which are continuous and there are finite energies which relate to the things we call real such as photons and electrons. Different forms of energy as I stated with the first graphic. The virtual Planck lengths which have not been advanced by the two masses must be advanced in some way to conserve virtual energy, there is no other way other than to provide new virtual degrees of freedom within the vacuum itself as new units of Planck. If my theory had been as you propose, it would predict that pure energy as photons would be released from the vacuum itself over time. a cool idea, but that is not what I am proposing, as such a suggestion would cause the temperature of the CMBR to increase, not to decrease over time. Virtual energy is conserved as virtual energy, very simple. We will get to real issues of magnetic energy and photons/ fermions conversions very soon.

[mungoid]

Tensor:

Wrong.

Please explain how this is constructive in any way.

Or, how GR and a Quantum Gravity theory differ in how a black hole stays together.

Bold mine: Is there such a thing as a theory of Quantum Gravity?
I know it has been referred to as some kind of a Holy grail for physicists/cosmologists, but to my knowledge no such thing has yet been quantified.

You also seem to think that the Big Bang Theory has something to do with the actual moment of the bang. It doesn't. The Big Bang Theory is nothing more than an umbrella that ties together an group of other theories (galactic formation and evolution, early star formation, particle abundance, etc) on how the universe has evolved since about 10^-43 seconds after the bang occurred.

This is not my understanding. While you are certainly correct in stating that there are many theories which help to explain things such as galactic and star formation, particle abundances and their various states, and universal evolution, I think it is incorrect to state that

The Big Bang Theory is nothing more than an umbrella that ties together an group of other theories

While it may very well help to tie these many and varied theories together in a workable model, the BBT in and of itself was/is an original concept of how the universe began (as opposed to creation theory or some other explanation).

[mungoid]

I, along with a lot of others here, would not be interested in visuals. More interested in equations.

C.S.
I, along with a lot of others here, would not understand the equations. Keep up with the visuals. (Although I do appreciate that equations will be necessary)
p.s. not sure why but nothing happens when I click on the last thumnail you attached.

[sirjon]

C.S.
I, along with a lot of others here, would not understand the equations. Keep up with the visuals. (Although I do appreciate that equations will be necessary)
p.s. not sure why but nothing happens when I click on the last thumnail you attached.

I agree. But make them simple visuals...

[sirjon]

My understanding that I think relates to your question is that the current mainstream view is that it was a high density pure Higgs field. And string theory is attempting to describe how a Higgs field can form.

Thank you for answering my questions, I appreciate them. so, it agreed with my hypothesis that BB started from the emission of pure energy (a layman's term for high density Higgs field). I am a believer of non-Newtonian gravity, that it, gravity is not a force and there is no graviton that exist. But the Higgs field could be something to do with gravity, dark matter and dark energy. The Higgs field is still around and maybe only a small percent of this pure energy from the original BB silent explosion, is being emitted (while the source of the BB, still constantly emitting this pure energy). This could be the reason why the universe continue to expand.

[Capricorn Star]

I'm back. Just preparing the visuals and the math to explain how this theory of expanding space leads to gravititation and time dilation when viewed in full 3d. Very soon.