Please do not tell me it cannot happen. A minor solar flare fried the grid in Canada a
few years ago. Our sun can produce a super massive flare at anytime.
All our infrastructure is ground based, we would have 8 minuites warning. The fastest
response time to shut down the relay buffer stations is 16 minutes, they would be
overloaded and trashed, and we would have no power. We been lucky, so far.
The 2012 prophesy is based on a misunderstanding of the significance of the Mayan long count calendar. No expert on Mayan history that I have ever read of attributes any world ending significance to 2012 based on the calendar. Maybe a good day to have a huge party if you were Mayan but nothing else.
However, the best response I would give to people who suggest that the Mayans predicted an apocalypse in 2012 is...
If you really believe that the Mayans had it right on, the best that we could do is to round up a large number of people, march them up a big pyramid and tear out their hearts to offer it to the Gods in order to stave off the disaster. I suggest we start with the people who keep going on about the 2012 disaster myth.
My thoughts exactly.If you really believe that the Mayans had it right on, the best that we could do is to round up a large number of people, march them up a big pyramid and tear out their hearts to offer it to the Gods in order to stave off the disaster. I suggest we start with the people who keep going on about the 2012 disaster myth.
<<Yeah, the 2012 theories will be proven wrong, but then people will just start making up doomsday theories with a new date. >>
No, you can never have too many doomsdays...
Well, they're hundreds of years apart and have nothing to do with one another, so there's that. Oh, and people who are ignorant believe that Nostradamus talked about the same year in which the Mayan calendar rolls over, so there's that, too.
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So, as a matter of full disclosure, I don't believe any of this 2012 nonsense. But I am posting this only because I happened to get this e-mailed to me at my place of work (I am a journalist). I'm going to take my journalist hat off for a moment and I won't print the name or the Web site because I don't want to lend any credence to it, but the e-mail came from someone who claims to be a physicist. For all I know, he's on this site. I just want to know what you all think of this information:
Thoughts?Originally Posted by anon website
Its more nonsense.
The next transit of Vensus actually starts 5 June 22:09 UTC (not 4 June). The idea that this will cause any sort of measureble increase in stress on the Earth's crust is absurb. The last one was 8 June 2004, and if I'm not mistaken, the Earth wasn't destroyed. And I don't know what they think is going to happen in 2010, it certainly won't be a surprise Venus transit, since even wikipedia manages to list all of them out to 2498.
Not only that, it's also absurd. And somewhat ridiculous.Originally Posted by Swift
It's hard to really appreciate the distances over which gravity is acting in these cases, but they are such huge distances that it seems crazy to expect it to do anything significant.
I know the idea is that three different things are acting on Earth at the same time, but to create any sort of disturbance - well, how much measurable tidal effect does Venus ever have, even, say, at the date Swift mentioned above of the last Venus transit? If it isn't causing tidal waves then is it likely to play havoc with the Earth's crust?
Well, I'm not an astronomer or physicist ... I'm not even an aficionado or buff, but I think I understand enough to know that while gravity of planets does an an effect on other planets, the distances here are barely fathomable, and so I can't see the effect causing Yellowstone to explode in a fury of volcanic activity (yet another end-of-the-world scenario I've read about).It's hard to really appreciate the distances over which gravity is acting in these cases, but they are such huge distances that it seems crazy to expect it to do anything significant.
Quoting from the first page linked above:
After all, during a transit, Venus has to be as close to the Earth as possible, since it's between us and the Sun. In fact, this is when Venus is closest, getting about 40 million kilometers (25 million miles) from the Earth. However, that's still a long way off, and its gravity is very weak. Its gravity is only 0.006 times that of the Moon's, and its tides are only 0.00005 of the Moon at that distance (I calculated this as part of my Planetary Alignment page). This is incredibly small. Remember too, the gravity from the Moon changes because the Moon orbits the Earth in an ellipse. Sometimes it is closer, and sometimes farther. The Moon's gravity changes by about 25% every two weeks! So adding Venus to that is a tiny effect, and cannot cause any real, measurable changes here on Earth.
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That was Canada. What did it do to the US grid?Please do not tell me it cannot happen. A minor solar flare fried the grid in Canada a
few years ago.
By the way, the grid is very large, and as such is much more susceptible to LF EMPs than people realize (think secondary windings on a transformer...)
Yes, it can.Our sun can produce a super massive flare at anytime.
Actully, 15 minutes. But to do what?All our infrastructure is ground based, we would have 8 minuites warning.
Google: "No results found for "relay buffer station"" and "No results found for "buffer relay station"."The fastest
response time to shut down the relay buffer stations is 16 minutes, they would be
overloaded and trashed, and we would have no power. We been lucky, so far.
And: "A simple scheme of sunspot classification due to McIntosh is commonly used as a starting point for flare prediction. Predictions are usually stated in terms of probabilities for occurrence of flares above M or X GOES class with 24 or 48 hours." - Wikipedia
You're correct in that once detected, we've only about 8 minutes. However, high-energy flares can be predicted at least a day in advance based on sunspot acitivity.
Nokton, after the generating station, the voltage is stepped up by transformers to 765, 500, 345, 230, and 138kV. Nearing the customers, it's stepped down to various voltages, depending on customer requirements, ranging from 120V to 69kV.
Now, there are relay stations... Not exactly set up for power distribution, though.
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Re: 2012: A list of threads and articles discussing 2012
- 2003 no, 2012 si
- End of Mayan Calendar
- Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
- 2012 alignment question
- about the Mayan 2012 item
- 2012 Debunking?
- Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
- 2012 asteroid?
- We don't have to worry about 2012!
- More on 2012 from India Daily
- 2012 Completion of conspiracy?
- Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
- crop circles, Planet X and 2012
- Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
- According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
- More 2012 Nonsense
- NEO 2012?
- Dangerous NEO in 2012?
- Christmas 2012
- 2012 mayan calender end of world
- Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
- New 2012 threat?
- 2012 look at this thing on the sun
- Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
- Pole shift idea origins
- Dec 20 2012
- 2012 Stuff
- No reply previous question
- Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
- Date: December 21st 2012
- Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
- 2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
- So what will we see in 2012?
- Galactic Tsunami?
- Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
- Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
- Any truth to this?
- How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
- the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
- Planet X Official Advertisement
- What year are we in
- Quick question about the sun
- Galactic Alignment
- Books of 2012! -
- 2007 = 2012
- Return of Planet X By Rand
- Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
- Toutatis 4179: 2012?
- Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
- Solar Storms
- A real prediction!
- NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER
- 2012 Galactic Alignment
- Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~
- New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!!
- this may be a silly question but...
- Just to know if this is true
- Just Wondering...
- Planet X/Nibiru, is it real?
- Youv heard this a million times.
- Nibaru or Planet X
- Mayan calendar
- 2012 Article?
- can i say something please on planet x
- The growing earth.... :P
- Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012?
- Something scaring the hell out of me....
- It's Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert)
- 2021 Doomsday
- is it just me or is the milky way brighter..?
- Polar Shift in 2012?
- I would like to ask about Nubiru stuff...
- Bit behind the times, my appologies...
- the "pole shift thing"
- All the Truth about 2012
- Confused about 2012 (yes, another one!)
- Another paranoia mind due to 2012
- novelty theory
- Possibility of Pole Shift
- 2012 Vectors
- Nibiru Question
- Odd things floating on google sky
- 2012 end of the world?
- 2012 and Solar Storms?
- 2012 is giving me a Headache
^ last i heard about the whole solar maximum it got pushed back to 2013 and won't be as bad as it was origionally intended to be so i don't think we'll have to worry about that.
as a side note, i don't know if i belong here...my brain's mentallity is nothing compared to others here.
And now Billy Meier gets on the 2012 bandwagon...
And, oh yes, the article goes on to say that his photos of "wedding cake" ufos are authentic too...Swiss man says that scientists and corporations deny the actual extent and magnitude of coming environmental destruction; has documented, decades long record of impeccable prophetic accuracy; goes far beyond any information associated with Mayan Calendar for 2012
Nostradamus. And the closest thing he had to an apocalyptic date was July, 1999, when "from the skies will come the great king of terror". He also said the world would end in 3797.From Nostrademus,
Most present day understanding about our doom concerns what will happen in the year 2112, not 2012. Global warming won't reach apocalypse level until at least a century from now. And anyway, there's no reason to assume that we won't be able to find some way to live with it by then.to present day understanding. That we are heading for destruction as a race.
What history?So much farcical compacency that denies history puts our head in the sand.
Yes, that is an actual threat. But it is one we are aware of and will have at least a few days' warning of, thanks to the armada of solar satellites we have at our Legrange points, which, by the way, we put there precisely because we were afraid of this happening So no, we haven't been ignoring history in that regard.The infastucture we all rely on, that is computers, would be fried in the event of a massive solar flare,
A gamma ray burst in our galaxy is an exceptionally rare event. They may not even happen in our galaxy any more. And for them to be any threat to us, the star would have to be facing the Earth pole-on, which makes the chances of a "gamma-ray apocalypse" even more unlikely. There are no stars within a hundred light years capable of generating even a modest supernova. The closest is Betelgeuse, which is 640 light years away, and not facing us pole-on. When it goes, it'll give us a hell of a good show, but it won't hurt us.the same scenario even worse if we are subject to a gamma ray burst from a nearby supernova.
Yellowstone has an "error range" in its eruptions of tens or even hundreds of thousands of years. There is simply no way to claim if or when it will blow, or indeed it will ever blow again. Because no human being has ever seen a Yellowstone-level eruption, there are no known signs to look for, and even if there were, there's jack we could do about it anyway. If it happens, it happens.Then there is the threat of a massive volcano eruption, Yellowstone is long past it's time cycle. 75 K years ago, Toba, a massive volvano, almost wiped out mankind, and compromised the genetic pool of human evolution.
We're more prepared than not. Pan-Starrs is coming online, which should create a database of all Near-Earth asteroids and their orbits, and thus give us an idea of the threat levels. Comet collisions are harder to deal with, but they are incredibly rare in our part of the Solar System, and, given that comets have such long orbits, we would probably have some time to prepare before the actual hit.Oh I almost forgot, an asteroid strike that we are still unprepared for, and have not the resourses to deal with.
What? At the start of your comment, you said,Perhaps 2012 not so much nonesense after all.
but if it wasn't for the Mayan calendar, no one would be interested in the 2012 date. It would hold no more interest than any other leap year. No one would be expecting the world to end then. So if it's not about the Mayan calendar, why do you assume it is so important?This is not just about the Mayan calender,
I think we should just wait. We will find out here in a couple of years or so.
I'm a very linear person. I'm also an astronomy (in addition to chemistry/physics) teacher. After doing much reading/viewing/researching on the whole 2012 "catastrophy" I come away a little flabbergasted at "catch all" characteristic of the event. It's such a mismatch of events/people/events that I can't even find a way to present the "debunking" of it as a unit to my astronomy class. We just seem to randomly debunk a section of it at a time. This annoys me very much!
I think about half my coworkers believe in this nonsense. I think we're in for the biggest bubble since Y2K--and worse for having zero basis in actual science.
2013, get here already, so they can move the goalposts to 20xx or whatever...
You might want to start with Sky and Telescope's article.I'm a very linear person. I'm also an astronomy (in addition to chemistry/physics) teacher. After doing much reading/viewing/researching on the whole 2012 "catastrophy" I come away a little flabbergasted at "catch all" characteristic of the event. It's such a mismatch of events/people/events that I can't even find a way to present the "debunking" of it as a unit to my astronomy class. We just seem to randomly debunk a section of it at a time. This annoys me very much!
I figure there's no real need to address the 2012 thing. December 31, 2012 will come and go just as December 31, 1999, came an went. We'll all get up the next morning on New Years day and nurse hangovers, have eggs benedict for breakfast, and a day or two later head back to work.
Just as 2012 became an issue after we survived Y2K, there will be another end-of-the-world issue within days of surviving all of 2012 intact. The end of the world has been just around the corner for someone for the last 5000 years and probably before that. One may be assured that this isn't going to end with 2012 and that others will follow. Best way to deal with it is to wake up on New Years, and start another year.
Nothing convinced Y2K believers more than New Years Day 2000 and New Years Day 2001.