# Thread: Planet X and Titus-Bode law

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## Planet X and Titus-Bode law

Solution of Titus-Bode law

According this law for lengths of main half axes of our planet pay:
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an = 0,4 + 0,3.2n ,

where we must for n set numbers -8, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,…

Earth is 1 and after it a1 = 1AU.

Mars is 2, Jupiter is 3…

So we have sequence for our planets, where planets are placed only in particular distances from Sun, according this mathematical sequence. It pays quite accurately, only at Neptune is bigger deviation. Pluto (too small object, not real planet) is not involved in this sequence, because there should be planet with a8 in distance around 77,2AU from Sun.

For n=9 there should be planet with period circa 1900 years (Planet X)

For outer planets is quite precise also

= 0,3.2n

If we put this in third Kepler Law, so this is:

Tk2 /Tn2 = ak3 /an3 = 2k3 /2n 3=2(k-n)3

Tk =Tn/2(n-k)3/2

From this formula is clear, that orbital periods of planets are tied with number 2 and with its exponents, which depend also of planet's order from Sun, or also from planet (Planet X with a9).

Why is it in such manner?

Planet X has got extreme elliptical path.

When X goes above other planets, so these are forced to change their paths, speeds so, that their motions and motion of whole system with Sun is synchronised (with energy saving mode).

For example if Planet X goes above planets with orbital times exactly equal to T9/2, T9/4, T9/8, T9/16,…, so such planets could be expelled, sucked from their orbits, from our solar system, because there is resonance with positions, path of X.

Our planets so must be placed on orbits with similar periods, but little shifted. There must be involved also shifts of Sun toward X in system X-Sun.

It is indeed so!

Planets in our solar system are on somehow (this way) quantized paths.

Pavel Smutny
Speed of north magnetic pole had changed during last years 4 times opposite last 20 years changes. If such ratio of changes will continue, so north magnetic pole in 2050 would be in Russia.
This is acording measurements and reports of Australian (in 2000) and after it French-Canadian scientif. expeditions.
What, if not strong magnetic field of X can it cause?
What could be so powerfull?

Nemesis, not only Planet X (Nibiru) is involved in my model of our Solar system. Orbital path of Nemesis is approximately perpendicular on path of X. Shifts in paths of outdoor planets (changes of eccentricities, their increases caused by presence of X) in direction of main half axis of X are so compensated by influence of Nemesis, which causes shifts in direction perpendicular on main half axis of X's orbit. Both paths (X's and Nemesis') somehow rotate, or change their orientation during time, so result is elimination of influences on our planets….

Look on model from my webs:

http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/gothic

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/

I think, that physical discovery of Planet X is maybe main work, which should be done by modern astronomy.

If we know less about our, or about other galaxies, or even about origin of universe, planets, nothing important can it cause, during next some thousands years.

But if we don't know what happen during next arrival of X to perihelia, and when it happen, so it can cause very probably end of our civilization and new stone age, if enough people will survive. After it spirits of present people will wait next maybe 12000 years for the same conditions for technically, spiritually developed life, if such opportunity will be given to mankind. Who knows?!

This is not joke.

Similar things probably happened before 11500 years.

History of that time was changed during ages on stories, stories became legends and legends became myths.

History is also written in ice and in sediments.

Shift of pole (circa 15 degrees), 1500 years long last ice age (9500-11000 B.C.) and after it melting of icebergs, global warming are big enough proofs.

There are enough written proofs (Sumerian legends, written stories, Egyptian, Greek, Chinese historical writings…) too.

look at:

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/

Will we ignore that all, or try we have influence on our destiny, on mankind cycles?

Only common effort of whole mankind maybe can save people.

Secret projects can save small groups, if,…

Such savings of only some millions people will cause after some generations new stone age…

Our history, culture after short, or longer time could turn to myths too.?!

Pavel Smutny

Look on influence of Jupiter on Earth's orbit.

Examle:

If Jupiter was 25 times more massive, so influence on Earth's orbit was shift of centre of gravity (in system Jupiter-Sun) less than 20 millions km, but Earth is 5 times closer to Sun, so only 4 millions km can be shift of Sun toward Earth. Jupiter makes half orbit during 6 earth's years, so only 1/6 of mentioned shift is not compensated (for Earth), what makes less than 1 million km, what represent deviation of Earth's orbit smaller than 1 degree!!!

If X is on extreme elliptical orbit around Sun (period circa 1600 years, perihelia circa 1AU), so X is close (in comparable distance how Sun is) to big planets only some years, though orbits times of distant planets are many tens years. Mass of X is 1/40 of Sun's, so gravitational force of X is 1/40 of Sun's during that time too.

Shift of Sun (opposite common centre of gravity) toward Planet X (in binary system Planet X-Sun) and toward more distant planets is 1 billion km, but after short time there is the same shift in opposite direction (it takes some years), so it makes only waves on orbits of distant planets.

X is approximately as close as Sun to Earth some months (area in perihelia), so shift of position of Earth toward Sun is less than 1/3 from 1/40 from 150 millions km. Deformation of Earth's orbit so can be maximal till 3 degrees (from 360).

During next 1600 years can be this deformation easy extinguished.

Orbit of X is not in Ecliptic plane!

Planet X is in area among planets only tens years from 1600.

Eccentricities of elliptical motions of planets go down to circular motions quickly during some hundreds orbits, because centers of gravities in systems (planet-Sun) are shifted by other planets so, that only circular motions are allowed. Sun is not allowed to make opposite motion to appropriate planet in every system (planet-Sun).

Look on rings around Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter….

If rings weren’t stabilized (orbits of their bodies) in short time after their origin, so they don't exist.

How big was change of Mars' orbit due to more months lasting presence of Earth in 50 millions km distance in this year?

Is Mars on much more elliptical orbit now????!!!!

Pioneer Spacecraft Slowing

Extract from web page, data and pictures from

Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA,
and the Los Alamos National Laboratory

and after it my explanation

…On September 24, 1998 a team of planetary scientists and physicists at Los Alamos identified a tiny, unexplained sunward acceleration in the motions of the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, and Ulysses spacecraft. The anomalous acceleration, about 10 billion times smaller than the acceleration we feel from Earth's gravitational pull, was identified after detailed analyses of radio data from the spacecraft.

…But they had to revise that theory when they realized that a mysterious force was acting in an identical manner on Pioneer 11, which was on the other side of the system. "It's the same magnitude and the same direction, namely pointed toward the sun. The force points to the sun in both cases."

What is "the mysterious force" influencing Pioneers 10 and 11?

When this mysterious force is working on both Pioneers in the same magnitude and the same directions, namely pointed toward Sun, so it means, that source of that force must be much closer to Sun, then were Pioneers during measurements and investigations before 1998.

In that time they were circa 10 till 20 billions km from Sun. If source of mysterious force - gravity was much closer to Sun than our Pioneers (for example 3 billions km), so mysterious force influencing motions of Pioneers must be really in the same magnitude and the same direction, pointed toward Sun.

Scientists from here above mentioned labs said, that force was 10 billions times smaller, than the acceleration we feel from Earth's gravitational pull.

Here is simple calculation for how big is that mysterious gravity pull, if source was approximately 15 billion km from Pioneers 10, 11.

I have compared gravity on Earth surface with gravity of 25 more massive body than Jupiter in 15 billion km distance from it (X).

=10.

FZ /FX= (χ MZ RX RX )/(χ MX RZ RZ)=10/10000000000

FZ is gravitational force on Earth's surface (in distance RZ, which is 6378 km from Earth's center).

FX is gravitational force of X in distance RX, what is 15 billions km from Planet X, placed circa 3 billions km next to Sun.

MZ and MX are masses of Earth and of Planet X, χ is gravitational constant.

We have here not anomaly of gravity, but real source of gravity, what very probably is planet X, which is arriving to its perihelia and during investigations of Pioneers 10 and 11 was less than 4 billions km from Sun!!!

Now, after 5 years since last mentioned measurements, X should be in distance less than 3 billions km, what is circa 10 years to nearest approach to us.

RNDr. Pavel Smutny

I tried to think about deviation of Sun's paralaxa-offset, caused by potential arrival of Planet X to its perihelium.

If X is in distance (assumption) 2,4 billions km from Sun (3 times farther than Jupiter), so difference of gravitational affects from X on Sun and on Earth (when X is approximately 25 times mass of Jupiter) can cause deviation of Sun's paralaxa (result of X's presence), which should be on level of deviation, which is caused to Sun by Jupiter d/(l.l.l), what is similar how it is at tidal forces.

It should be mean shift of Sun (due to shift of centre of gravity in system Jupiter-Sun) circa till 0,5 millions km opposite to calculated values.

Because Earth is 5 times closer to Sun than Jupiter, so Earth makes with Sun opposite motion to Jupiter too, and so only 1/3 of Sun's motion toward Jupiter is not on place of Earth compensated (0,2 million km).

On sky for distance Earth - Sun 150 millions km is shift 0,2 million km is 1/5000 from circle and so for 24 hours long day it makes about 20 second time shift.

During Sun's eclipses it should cause shift of calculated times from some seconds till some minutes.

What are exact calculated times of eclipses from charts...?

deviations of Sun's paralaxa..

How exact are these values

Aren't additionally inserted (in last years quite often) seconds for last years results of X presence?

Calculations for Sun's eclipses of so-called advanced astronomy not familiar Central American indians are different from present calculations around half minute....

Why Kuiper Belt has got sharp edge somewhere near to 20 billions km from Sun?

It is because Planet X

(with extreme elliptic path, periodicity around 1600 years), when (X) is passing Kuiper Belt every 1600 years

causes, that the same places in Kuiper Belt with circular orbits (circular orbits with period times 1600 years, which are according Keplers Laws in distance approximately 20 billions km) are periodically sucked out from this belt

(X is periodically in resonance with those objects) and they are forced to live Kuiper Belt.

Other objects outside resonance area in Kuiper Belt are forced to live their positions only seldom, so they have enough time for stabilization of their circular orbits inside of Kuiper Belt.

….

According Senmut map (Chinese funeral flag, my oriental carpet too) are deviations of X in direction perpendicular to main and to side half axes of X's path approx. 2 billions km per one X' orbit. It makes 32 billions km per Earth's precession time period (circle with radius 5 billions km ), what is like result from carpet calculations...!

It is very possible to assess (from Senmut map) also parametres of Nemesis mass, orbit...not only Nibiru's path...

When you look at Gothic windows in cathedrals, so there is also time parameter for Planet X (Jesus' geneaological tree from king David to Jesus, what is 1000 years, 2/3 of path of X-length of appropriate window).

Windows in main nave of cathedral make also something like precession cycle.....

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/gothic

http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/

Looking forward to hearing from you, I am interested in your opinions, proposal for cooperation, team work...

Pavel Smutny

2. the Titus-Bode "law" is a postulate which says that the planets are evenly spaced in sequence from the sun. It was based on observations by Johann Titus in 1766 and folmulated by J.E. Bode in 1778.

It provides a model for the sequence of distances of planets from the sun, and for the known planets at the time is correct to one significant figure.

According to it, there should be an additional planet between Mars and Jupiter. But there isn't - that is where the asteroid belt is. It also doesn't get Pluto in the right place. It only gets Mercury by making it a special case.

Given that it's fairly poor at describing known observations, and the only attempted predictions that have been made by it have failed, I don't think we can consider it to be a proven postulate.

Krill

3. correction - Pluto does fit the model (within one significant figure) - it's Neptune that doesn't. Should have checked first ops:

Krill

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Nonsense. Sheer and utter nonsense.
Calculations derived from Chinese funeral flags, oriental carpets, and Gothic cathedral windows?
Earth's gravity compared with a body 25x the mass of Jupiter? And this body is where right now? Right ascenscion and declination is what?
Last year's leap seconds inserted because of Planet X's presence?
The web links go to sites declaring that the portal where PX is sucking hot plasma from the sun corresponds in shape, form, and proportion to the onion dome shape of Orthodox churches...
Gothic cathedral ground plans are proportional to PX's orbit...
Extinct civilization wisdom...architects...Armenian Masons...Syrian/Turkish/Iraqi art...wisdom from very past times...Turkish carpet designs showing the orbits of planets, PX, the Oort cloud...a unique southern circumpolar zodiac...astrology...CROP CIRCLES!!!...astronomical records from Egyptian tombs "...are very tied with exodus of Jewish nation from Egypt..."...the disappearance of the dinosaurs...the Sun's orbit around Sirius (?)...global warming...

And you thought Nancy was off base...

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Charlie In Dayton wrote

Nonsense. Sheer and utter nonsense.
Charlie, don't hold it in! It's not healthy! Tell us what you really feel!

(edited to fix typo)

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All of the great astronomical science aside, it would be nice if we could see Planet X, and that it didn't look so much like a lens flare.

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Originally Posted by Sammy
Charlie In Dayton wrote

Nonsense. Sheer and utter nonsense.
Charlie, don't hold it in! It's not healthy! Tell us what you really feel!
I'd really like to, Sammy, but as I said in another post, if I did, the BA would ban me until PX really did show up...I will content myself with the use of language that expresses myself adequately, is easily understood by the members of this board, and reflects on the intelligence of posters of this ilk without their figuring out the meaning of my commentary.

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The Zetas have cleverly disguised PX to look like a lens flare.

Sometimes it bobbles and then it looks like a reflection.

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## For Charlie from Dayton and for BoredHugeKrill, SirThoreth.

For Charlie from Dayton and for BoredHugeKrill, SirThoreth...

Dear Charlie, please focus your Telescope circa 12 degree above actual position of Uranus, plus minus 20 degree East, West. There are places where Planet X could be for 25 percents... If X is but dark small star (from some sort of dark matter..) only with big infrared telescope could be possible to find it. Ask some of your well known observatories for help. I tried to contact some, but they don't want cooperate. Maybe X was found, but because its small dimensions it is regarded for asteroid,...?!
Don' try to discredit humans history. You are from 200 hundreed years old nation, but there are observations, records which are thousands years old.
People had seen on sky objects, which are now billions km away. Records of such observations but were done by artists, scientiests other way, than now it is common. After many replications some motives were litle changed or complemented with decorative ornaments, but historical significance exists till now.
If you do'nt believe on crop circles, so read Tulis description of UFO from circa 1450 BC (reign of Tutmose 3th in Egypt), or some works of Julius Obsequinus, from 400 AD, where are many descriptions of contacts with extraterestrial objects too similar to present observations.
Why do you think, that oriental carpet can't be source of important information?
Have you seen gobelin (tapisserie) where wife of William Conqueror depicted battle at Hastings in 1066 with painted Halley comet, what is important proof for existance of regular orbital time of this comet? Carpets in ost countries, Russia are usually on walls like gobelins not on floors, because their historical value.
Visit me, I can show you more details, proofs from my "flying carpet" (can I so name my astronomical carpet?) but also other important proofs for X, we can discuss about it more...
Belt of asteroids (between Mars and Jupiter) small planets are on places, where probably was planet, or wasn't completly formed, it fits with Titus/Bode law.
Please describe what is wrong (if) on my validation for existance, reasons why planets are so arranged.
My model is physicaly and matematicaly correct. If it is not so, tell me exactly what is wrong.

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## Planet X amendment

Please, see this web, where are correct math formulas for article about Planet X and Titus-Bode law, on forum is possible to see texts without math editor
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode
and other my webs tied with X (Nibiru, Nemesis)
http://www.mujweb.cz/společnost/gothic
http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/

http://mujweb.cz/Veda/narmer

other my webs about very ancient history are these
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/mikrovlna
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/akustika
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/thowt
Pavel Smutny

11. The issue is not mathematical correctness. Nor is it anecdotal evidence that people have been seeing things in the sky since the dawn of time.

The issue is; is there scientific proof that some unknown planet is hurtling through space towards earth? The key here is "scientific proof".

One can "prove" a lot of things if you start with a premise then run around searching for this and that to bolster your position (and choose to disregard anything that doesn't "fit" into your construct).

Here's a whimsical and silly piece of humor that "proves" Barney is indeed Satan! Now, having personally suffered through the toddlerhood of my children I may "feel" this has some merit but that's another issue....not science.

http://www.pinetree.net/humor/barneyissatan.html

12. Why do you think, that oriental carpet can't be source of important information?
maybe you just nailed it

Krill

13. Yes, carpets ARE very accurate sources of astronomical information. :roll:

14. Hard-wood floors are far more accurate.

15. "The Against the Mainstream Forum" has a few threads regarding Titus-Bode and other mathematical constructs like it. I've seen at least two that attempt to do the same thing as Titus-Bode and are completely different.

All things considered, I think that a way as good as any other to spot P-X is to tune into "Cartoon Network" and watch "Duck Rogers in the 24th 1/2 Century"........

16. I might be mistaking, but is the Titus Bode law not:

d = 0.4 + 0.3 * n

with n = 0, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, doubling doubling? with n=8 the asteroid belt.

where does the -8 come from? Why is Jupiter 3, which would put it on 2.2 AU away from the sun (rather close I would say).

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## Calculation differences

Thanx for the research, Resentmut, and for give our new world attitude from this side, at least you have not been classified as a woo woo ,as some locals have been when identifying it as PX, Vulcan. So far they’ve just kicked sand your way. And if a foolish person would not have burned the Alexandrian library in WW2 others would be able to interperate both Egypt and Mayan writings.
Your research as with many others gives us approximately 10 years, and if the ancients
Were able to view this object for 7 years before and during the passage then it should appear any time after 2005 or 2006. Visible with an aided eye .
My question to you would focus more on time. The Egyptians time line ends 2005
According to the Mayans its 2012. Would you have an answer to the differences?

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## Re: Planet X and Titus-Bode law

Originally Posted by resenmut
Solution of Titus-Bode law
What is there to be solved in the so-called Titus-Bode law? :-?

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## Re: Calculation differences

Originally Posted by cab970
Thanx for the research, Resentmut, and for give our new world attitude from this side, at least you have not been classified as a woo woo ,as some locals have been when identifying it as PX, Vulcan. So far they’ve just kicked sand your way. And if a foolish person would not have burned the Alexandrian library in WW2 others would be able to interperate both Egypt and Mayan writings ....
Please explain. The Great Library at Alexandria is said to have been destroyed a number of times: 48 B.C. , ca. 400 A.D., ca. 640 A.D. but this is the first time I have heard that it was still extant at the time of WW2.

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## Re: Calculation differences

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Originally Posted by cab970
Thanx for the research, Resentmut, and for give our new world attitude from this side, at least you have not been classified as a woo woo ,as some locals have been when identifying it as PX, Vulcan. So far they’ve just kicked sand your way. And if a foolish person would not have burned the Alexandrian library in WW2 others would be able to interperate both Egypt and Mayan writings ....
Please explain. The Great Library at Alexandria is said to have been destroyed a number of times: 48 B.C. , ca. 400 A.D., ca. 640 A.D. but this is the first time I have heard that it was still extant at the time of WW2.

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What's a few centuries among friends?

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## Uranus and Planet X quite close?

For BoredHugeKrill,
I had bought my carpet in 1988, or plus minus one year...You can verify it. There are depicted (on this carpet) also telecomunication satellites on geostationary orbits. First such satellites were over there in end of 70s, beginning of 80s years. Motives on my carpet are so complicated, that patterns for production were created (first circa in 1985) according older model. There is system of windows on this carpet, where those windows are so put one next to other, that it wasn't possible to mix them with new one windows. The most of windows from my carpet I had found (with small decorative changes...) on other very old carpets, in gothic, orthodox, islamic architecture...

for Zapp Brannigan,
you are partly right. If you use circles (is it dendrology?...) from wood of very old tree (redwood...), so you can find if particular years were cold or dry...
Try to do it and tell me what happened before thousands years.There exist trees 6000 years old. Maybe Zapp's floor is made from such wood too.
For Tusenfem,
Excuse me , I had done mistake, because Jupiter is number 4, number 3 is belt of asteroids between Jupiter and Mars.
For Cab970
Maybe 2005, 2006 were thought for begining points of process which would culminate in around 2012.
I can't but tell it exactly. When even crews of big telescopes, state observatories don't know enything...
There isn't also quite clear for me how big is magnetic force of X, which can be near to us quite important too and it can be some source of mistakes in my calculations for X's path, orbital time...
Maybe changes in orbits of Neptune moon Nereida from 1990es, or detailed observations of Uranus' moon Oberon, or paths of some other distant moons of Uranus... in these years can tell us more. It is possible to assess from such data where X is, how massive X is...., if is my assumption right. Thanks for your support.
Astronomers like Jewitt, Brown, Trujillo, Luu... who have access to biggest telescopes and can tell more don't answer on my questions..., why?!
Probably they don't want lie.

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If Oriental carpets and European cathedral architecture are now considered valid sources of astronomical study, are we perhaps overlooking other potential sources of cosmic knowledge?

Do old English pub dartboards also contain clues as to the formation of our Solar System? Can we determine the probable size of Planet X by careful study of the relative shoe sizes of ancient Chinese funerary statues? Did the Ancients (you must capitalize the A, since they had satellites and crystalline nuclear reactors and aircraft and, at times, fire and the wheel) conceal mystical hints in the arrangement of their bone and sinew shirt embroidery?

I'll let you know. Hmmm. If the Sun is the Bull's Eye, and the 12 score represents Venus, then . . . .

23. ## Re: Uranus and Planet X quite close?

Originally Posted by resenmut
I had bought my carpet in 1988, or plus minus one year...You can verify it. There are depicted (on this carpet) also telecomunication satellites on geostationary orbits.
Wow! Where can you get carpets with satellites on them? I want one for my office (its my sanctuary, so my wife can't make decorating decisions). I can just see the TV program, co-sponsored by Bravo and TLC: Queer Eye for the Astronomy Guy! #-o

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## Re: Uranus and Planet X quite close?

Originally Posted by resenmut
For BoredHugeKrill,&lt;snip>
Astronomers like Jewitt, Brown, Trujillo, Luu... who have access to biggest telescopes and can tell more don't answer on my questions..., why?!
Probably they don't want lie.
Yep, that must be the answer. Not that they're too busy, or that their secretary discarded the letter, or that they did answer and the letter was mis-sent, or that they couldn't understand the question. No, can't be any prosaic, humdrum reason.

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## Re: Calculation differences

Please explain. The Great Library at Alexandria is said to have been destroyed a number of times: 48 B.C. , ca. 400 A.D., ca. 640 A.D. but this is the first time I have heard that it was still extant at the time of WW2.

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The more than a dozen books on the occult include several devoted to Nordic runes, among them a 1922 history of the swastika, richly illustrated with nearly 500 diverse renderings in Egyptian hieroglyphics, Greek pottery, Mayan temples, and Christian crosses.

I should have wrote, what was left of the contents of this library
that had been destoryed many times before, but this is not the point
. Its lost sacred geometery

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27. Originally Posted by WolfKC
By some strange coincidence that looks just like the rug in the hallway at my aunt's house.

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I have to jump in here since we've moved from Bad Astronomy to Bad History. For starters, the Bayeux Tapestry is *not* a Gobelin. It was embroidered in the late eleventh century by an unknown artist, traditionally identified with Queen Mathilda, the wife of William the Conqueror, centuries before the Gobelin factory was even dreamed of. To be really nitpicky, it's only a tapestry in the sense that it was cloth and probably hung on a wall. However, it's dimensions make it difficult to classify as a true tapestry since you would need an incredibly long wall to display it (AFAIK, it was originally displayed in Bayeux Cathedral).

As for its depection of Comet Halley, you've placed the cart before the horse. All the Bayeux shows is an unidentified comet-like object that was taken by the Normans as a portent of victory. It provides no information about its orbital period and certainly doesn't identify it as Comet Halley. Moreover, the tapestry alone can't even be considered conclusive evidence that the object was a comet, since the description is in line with mediaeval meteor observations. This is unlikely, however, since it refers to the object as 'a star with hair,' which pretty strongly implies that it was a comet.

All we have so far is that a comet was visible from northwestern Europe in 1066. It doesn't tell us anything else about that comet. The only reason we think it was Comet Halley is because if you count backwards from any *confirmed* sighting of Comet Halley, such as the one in 1986, you'll find that Comet Halley should have been visible in 1066. That still doesn't prove the Normans saw Comet Halley. You need someone like Edmund Halley to come along and actually calculate the orbit first of all - and if the math had said the comet shouldn't have been visible in 1066 then the Normans would have seen a different comet altogether. You also need reliable sources who cited Comet Halley as it passed the Earth at different times. If, for instance, there were sightings of a comet in 1142 and 1218 as well it would be good evidence that the Normans saw Comet Halley (just to emphasize, I'm speaking hypothetically - I know of no such sources off the top of my head so please let me know if I'm missing one).

In other words, historical sources are *not* 100% complete and accurate descriptions of what happened. We only have what's survived centuries (if not millenia) of war, fires, mold, earthquakes, rain, floods, poor record keeping, indifference, misguided recycling, and just plain getting lost. That doesn't leave much. On top of that, we only have the things that a select group of people thought was important enough to write down. If there's no European record of Comet Halley from 1142, it's probably because nobody thought it was important enough to write down. To make things even *more* complicated, we have to sift through what can be vague or inconsistent terminology (Example, Tudor noblemen were said to arrive at a battle 'with their tenants' - Does that mean trained heavy cavalry or conscripted pig farmers?), a worldview very different from our own, and, in many cases, bad science. That forces us to try to find documents that *confirm* what people say. In this case, observations over the next nine and a half thousand years plus detailed calculations of its orbit prove that the thing on the Bayeux Tapestry was probably Comet Halley - and remember that it could very well be a different comet visible around that year. Comet Halley's depiction on the tapestry does not necessarily prove that Halley's math was right - the math, the laws of physics, and confirmed sightings every 76 years prove that Halley was right.

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## Sacred Geometry?

Sacred geometry?

That, too, opens up a proverbial if unappetizing can of worms.

Are there, then, Sacrosanct Polygons? Is there, out there, a Holy Hypotenuse? A Heavenly Hexagon?

When do I start blessing angelic angles?

Sorry, but all this Sacred Geometry strikes me as about two small steps away from astrology and forecasting the weather by means of an unfortunate goat and a very sharp knife.

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resenmut: If Planet X is working its way through our Solar System, you're right we should be seeing its gravitational effects right now. However, we don't see anything that's definitively caused by a rogue planet. Its gravity should be disrupting the paths of comets and asteroids, some of which will be sent in our general direction. As far as I know, no such increase has been observed. Similarly, if it's affecting Oberon it should also be having a measurable effect on Uranus as well. As far as I know, no such effects have ever been observed. If it's affecting objects the size of Oberon, it should also have had a notable effect on any other moons, asteroids, or smaller planets it has passed by. If that's the case, why aren't we seeing any effects on Venus? Why aren't we seeing any effects on Mars? Why is our Moon chugging along as predictably as it has been for the past six thousand years? Lastly, it should also have a gravitational effect on the Sun itself. The Sun is observed more or less continuously and such an effect should easily be noticeable. If it has such a strong magnetic field, why aren't we seeing any odd effects in the solar wind, heightened electrical disturbances in the atmosphere, malfunctioning satellites, or unusual aurora activity?

So far all the evidence for Planet X has other explanations. That the Earth's magnetic field moves unpredictably can be explained within the current theory that it's caused, in part, by the random movements in the Earth's liquid core. Most sightings can be explained away as expected anomalies in the photographs. No conclusive sighting has been made.

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