esa sucks like a martian dust devil

[evb]

esa sucks like a martian dust devil*

Why does'nt anyone have the balls to admit that beagle 2 was an utter failure of esa, incapable to build a functioning probe but instead wasting an enormous amount of money in a project that was doomed from the beginning. One has only to look at the funny expressions on the faces of esa officers to see how shallow they are. . Darwin is for sure turning in his grave. Shame on you britons, you astronomical pile of ****. I think the world deserves a better space agency than NASA or ESA.

[JimTKirk]

Please read the FAQ and do not use strong language!

[Musashi]

Yes evb, in fact, why don't you head up this new space agency. I am sure you can do much better right?

[ToSeek]

I think that's an arguable viewpoint, particularly considering that the orbiter seems to be doing fine.

[evb]

I think that's an arguable viewpoint, particularly considering that the orbiter seems to be doing fine.

quote from "habitablezone": This is what I call "face saving rhetoric". These sorts of craters ....... It's easier to blame a random crater than lousy spacecraft design. The news media will buy into this but not the review commission that will eventually assign blame.



Gary[/b]

[Musashi]

How does your information relate to your quote from ToSeek?

[evb]

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books. If the original team of Peenemuende would be still here, we could have already established a permanent base on Mars (with a little help from the taxpayers).

[dgruss23]

Why such anger toward esa and NASA?

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

[Musashi]

Thanks for clearing that up evb.

[TriangleMan]

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

I hope he's not talking about the German Moon Base from World War II.

[evb]

Why such anger toward esa and NASA?

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

A small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.... that spirit is gone, but not forever, it will return with a vengeance......

[SciFi Chick]

I hope he's not talking about the German Moon Base from World War II.

Whoa! That decides it. When I start teaching English Literature, I am going to have a section specifically addressing the difference between fiction and nonfiction.

[tofu]

I think the ESA and NASA are great. They are exploring more in a spirit of cooperation than in competition as it was between the US and USSR.

[TriangleMan]

That decides it. When I start teaching English Literature, I am going to have a section specifically addressing the difference between fiction and nonfiction.

Please do. =D> I support any teacher making an effort to teach critical thinking, now more than ever (the internet is both a fascinating and scary place).

[dgruss23]

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

I hope he's not talking about the German Moon Base from World War II.

Holy woo-woo! #-o

[dgruss23]

Why such anger toward esa and NASA?

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

A small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.... that spirit is gone, but not forever, it will return with a vengeance......

Is that your answer to why the anger or your expansion upon the question about Germans visiting the moon?

[evb]

Why such anger toward esa and NASA?

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

A small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.... that spirit is gone, but not forever, it will return with a vengeance......

Is that your answer to why the anger or your expansion upon the question about Germans visiting the moon?

Does anyone know that the Apollo project was originally a German project which could be turned into reality only thanks to the iron will of Herr President Johann Kennedy (a doppelgaenger with close ties to the German industry)? (Well, it's not so simple, but unclassified CIA documents will sure clear this point)

[dgruss23]

Does anyone know that the Apollo project was originally a German project which could be turned into reality only thanks to the iron will of Herr President Johann Kennedy (a doppelgaenger with close ties to the German industry)? (Well, it's not so simple, but unclassified CIA documents will sure clear this point)

Nope, never heard that, but I don't do a lot of reading on the history of the space programs. Do you have any links/references that can provide more info?

So you're saying that Germans put people on the Moon or that American's put people on the Moon via German programs and technology?

[peter channon]

evb is definately referring to 'German Moon Base Alpha' as per the above link. I can see where he is coming from.

evb are you in touch with your German comrads up there on the moon base alpha. Tell us how they are getting on please. Perhaps you could post a picure or two of uncle Herman playing tennis with Hans in low gravity. Or even a sound byte of a German oompah band playing in the rarefied atmosphere please.

Pete

[SciFi Chick]

Does anyone know that the Apollo project was originally a German project which could be turned into reality only thanks to the iron will of Herr President Johann Kennedy (a doppelgaenger with close ties to the German industry)? (Well, it's not so simple, but unclassified CIA documents will sure clear this point)

I don't suppose you have any evidence to support this assertion?

[TriangleMan]

I'm not so sure this is about the Moon Base.

Anyway, evb, sorry to hear that you're upset that Beagle crashed but so far the odds of a probe successfully landing on Mars has been about 33% - definately means it's a tough job. So if at first you don't succeed - try, try again.

[Russell]

evb:
Your a very scary person! NASA'a failures were do to budget cuts; they were working on a shoe string. I actually found Pathfinder/Sojourner to have been a great success considering what they had to work with. So dude, calm down.

[evb]

Does anyone know that the Apollo project was originally a German project which could be turned into reality only thanks to the iron will of Herr President Johann Kennedy (a doppelgaenger with close ties to the German industry)? (Well, it's not so simple, but unclassified CIA documents will sure clear this point)

Nope, never heard that, but I don't do a lot of reading on the history of the space programs. Do you have any links/references that can provide more info?

So you're saying that Germans put people on the Moon or that American's put people on the Moon via German programs and technology?

I say that Americans could've never achieved a manned moon landing without the will and the minds of many brilliant managers, scientists and technicians (many of whom were Germans) as well as illuminated politicians like Kennedy who understood that humanity's destiny lies in space. What they accomplished seems extra-terrestrial compared to today's failures. I praise their spirit and would like to see this brought back in order to continue their glorious exploration.

[Russell]

What drove them was the Cold War. It was all political, the science was secondary to them. What we need is more public interest in space to fund such grand adventures. Commercial incentives such as the X prize just are not good enough. We need voters to demand more.

[dgruss23]

What drove them was the Cold War. It was all political, the science was secondary to them. What we need is more public interest in space to fund such grand adventures. Commercial incentives such as the X prize just are not good enough. We need voters to demand more.

That was definitely a major motivator. We were not that far ahead of the Soviet Union in completing the effort and probably started quite a bit behind. Fear of and competition with the Soviet Union was a major motivator at that time. I have a copy of a physics book written by Sir James Jeans that was reprinted either in 1958 or 1959 (right after Sputnik). On the front cover the editors added a note that says: "Any Russian school-boy could understand this book. Can you?".

While putting men on the Moon was a marvelous achievement, it certainly wasn't simply a result of some romantic notion about human exploration.

[Russell]

So if we ever want to send man to Mars the better, Faster, Cheaper has to go. I can understand if you want to use this philosophy in commercial sat. launches, but not with good science. I'm a firm believer in what ever we learn out there makes us richer people, it needs public support, more funding.

[freddo]

evb, off to the Lunar Conspiracies forum with you...

You are the HB we've been waiting for. Sort of.

[AGN Fuel]

I have a copy of a physics book written by Sir James Jeans that was reprinted either in 1958 or 1959 (right after Sputnik). On the front cover the editors added a note that says: "Any Russian school-boy could understand this book. Can you?".

dgruss23, that is a wonderful little tidbit of information.... could you give me the details of this textbook (PM if you feel more comfortable)? I would love to incorporate this into an essay that I am preparing that touches on Soviet/US competitiveness during that period.

evb, a Mars landing is a major technological hurdle that should not be underestimated. Bear in mind the failure rate of the Soviet space programme in their attempts to accomplish the task! And while things certainly look grim and everyone with even a passing interest in the adventure of space is disappointed, there is still the chance that commmunication may yet be established with the little fella. And if it has been lost, then lessons will be gained from the exercise that strengthen the chances of future success.

[Amadeus]

Why such anger toward esa and NASA?

let's face reality. The Germans put men on the moon, although they are never mentioned in the books.

Could you expand upon this?

A small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.... that spirit is gone, but not forever, it will return with a vengeance......

So let me get this right..... The Nazi's put a base on the moon and didn't tell anyone about it? What? The Nazi's suddenly got bashful?

They also didn't use it during the war.
Also if they had that kind of rocket why did they just dump their V weapons on my poor little country? And not on the rest of the planet that was trying to kick their facist hides?

[dgruss23]

I have a copy of a physics book written by Sir James Jeans that was reprinted either in 1958 or 1959 (right after Sputnik). On the front cover the editors added a note that says: "Any Russian school-boy could understand this book. Can you?".

dgruss23, that is a wonderful little tidbit of information.... could you give me the details of this textbook (PM if you feel more comfortable)? I would love to incorporate this into an essay that I am preparing that touches on Soviet/US competitiveness during that period.

I have the book at work. I'll get you the info as soon as I get a chance.