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    ELEMENT 115

    "...Element 115...has been identified...The most important attribute of this heavier, stable element is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom... the gravity A wave is amplified and then focused on the desired destination to cause the space/time distortion required for practical space travel..."
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/element115.html

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    ...and?

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    A better question is where is this element still hiding at in nature http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele043.html

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    I guess the reason we don't have a lot of 115 is that we don't shoot down or capture enough ufos.

    http://www.angelfire.com/la/wakko98/xcom.html

    It is also important to attack the UFOs on the ground to get more Elerium-115 and Alien Alloys which, you will be using alot of.

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    Element 115?

    Are we talking about unobtainium?

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    woowoo-tanium

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer17
    woowoo-tanium
    Is that at all similar to dilithium?

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    The mention of the "recent discovery" of element 118 in the link does not seem to include the information that the claim was retracted after it appeared that the data were doctored. Or at least, the little I read didn't mention it - I can only take shlock like that in small doses.

    It is extremely unlikely that Element 115, when discovered, will have a half-life any longer than a few nanoseconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swansont
    It is extremely unlikely that Element 115, when discovered, will have a half-life any longer than a few nanoseconds.
    So.... We'll need realy, realy fast space ships to take advantage of it as a fuel then?

    I admit I know nothing about elemental science. What causes the half life decay and can this decay be stopped?

    P.s I am the only one that can see the joke in the name unobtainium. As in a unobtainable element?

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    [quote="Amadeus"]
    Quote Originally Posted by swansont
    P.s I am the only one that can see the joke in the name unobtainium. As in a unobtainable element?
    The term has been around for quite a while, back to at least Star Trek: TNG days, and probably before. It's related to balonium. IIRC, the vehicle in The Core was made of unobtanium, by name. Sort of an in-joke.

    Fred
    "For shame, gentlemen, pack your evidence a little better against another time."
    -- John Dryden, "The Vindication of The Duke of Guise" 1684

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus
    I admit I know nothing about elemental science. What causes the half life decay and can this decay be stopped?
    Decay happens because there is an energetically advantageous state available to the nucleus. Sort of like the reason that when you trip, you fall down (as opposed to falling up)

    Atomic de-excitation can be suppressed under certain conditions, and electron capture decay has a slight dependence on pressure, but for all practical purposes the answer is no, the decay cannot be stopped.

    A nucleus of element 11X will just be too big - the nuclear force is short-ranged, and there are too many protons repelling each other for it to hold together. The reason for the expected "island of stability" in theis region is that certain groupings of neutrons or protons (filled shells) will have somewhat less energy, so the chance of them decaying to a lower energy state is decreased. But in this case it just means the half-life will be longer, not that it will be stable.

    There are cases for lighter isotopes where one might expect them to be unstable, but due to a filled shell of one (or both) types of particles, the isotope is stable. Also, elements with filled shells of protons tend to have a larger number of stable isotopes than others nearby on the periodic table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swansont
    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus
    I admit I know nothing about elemental science. What causes the half life decay and can this decay be stopped?
    Decay happens because there is an energetically advantageous state available to the nucleus. Sort of like the reason that when you trip, you fall down (as opposed to falling up)

    Atomic de-excitation can be suppressed under certain conditions, and electron capture decay has a slight dependence on pressure, but for all practical purposes the answer is no, the decay cannot be stopped.

    A nucleus of element 11X will just be too big - the nuclear force is short-ranged, and there are too many protons repelling each other for it to hold together. The reason for the expected "island of stability" in theis region is that certain groupings of neutrons or protons (filled shells) will have somewhat less energy, so the chance of them decaying to a lower energy state is decreased. But in this case it just means the half-life will be longer, not that it will be stable.

    There are cases for lighter isotopes where one might expect them to be unstable, but due to a filled shell of one (or both) types of particles, the isotope is stable. Also, elements with filled shells of protons tend to have a larger number of stable isotopes than others nearby on the periodic table.
    Thanks for the info. I think I actualy understood that!
    So short of changing the rules of the universe its not practical. Got it.

    I might be just being dumb here but if this elements are so unusable why bother to create them in the first place? or are the a by-product of trying to find the stable "islands"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus
    I might be just being dumb here but if this elements are so unusable why bother to create them in the first place? or are the a by-product of trying to find the stable "islands"?
    Fame might also be a motivator, creating new elements is still newsworthy in the scientific community. And you also get to name the element, not a lot of people can do that.

    Besides, you won't know if it's stable or not until you make it. The theory that such elements would be unstable has to be tested, just like any other theory. So far no element is stable after atomic number 82 and/or 126 (?) neutrons.

    As for 'gravity A waves'. . . :roll:

    edited to add: is there a chance the element in the noble gas column (element 120?) would be more stable? I suppose not since the instability comes from the size of the nucleus and not the filling of the electron orbitals.

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    It is also important to attack the UFOs on the ground to get more Elerium-115 and Alien Alloys which, you will be using alot of.
    Alien Alloys? Weren't those goods in Elite?

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    Unobatainium... where the hell did I hear that... it was on TV or something...

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    I like the "official" designation for 115---Ununpentium, being an
    old (4-year high-school) Latin scholar. ["Take Latin", they said, "then you can learn French, Spanish, Portugeses and Italian!"]
    Did translate Jason and the Argonauts, tho!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriangleMan
    is there a chance the element in the noble gas column (element 120?) would be more stable? I suppose not since the instability comes from the size of the nucleus and not the filling of the electron orbitals.
    Your supposition is correct - it's the nuclear shells that contribute to the stability, not the atomic ones, but the idea is similar. Just like noble gases don't want to add or lose an electron, a filled shell is less likely (all else being equal) to undergo a decay that would add or subtract that particle, as would happen in a beta decay, and would make alpha decay less energetically favorable.

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    Once I read in a book about the periodic table (it was old enough that Element 104 was just produced) that there were predictions that element 114 would be stable and it would have properties similar to lead well they produced element 114 but it doesn't have any stable isotopes, of course this prediction was made in 1969 or 1970....

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    So there are nuclear shells just like electronic ones?

    Bear in mind that I'm a chemistry student, the nucleus only ever exists to us when we're performing NMR... :wink:

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    How about adamantium.....anyone find it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuffel999
    How about adamantium.....anyone find it yet?
    William Stryker did. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex W.
    So there are nuclear shells just like electronic ones?

    Bear in mind that I'm a chemistry student, the nucleus only ever exists to us when we're performing NMR... :wink:
    Yes. The pattern isn't exactly the same, because there are different interactions, but the idea is similar. There are separate shells for the neutrons and protons.

    IIRC the "magic number" for filled shells is 2, 8, 20, 50, 82 and 126. 28 may also be in there. The alpha particle, He-4, is doubly magic, and as a result it's extremely tightly bound, which is one reason it tends to be the particle ejected by unstable heavy nuclei (as is O-16, Ca-40; Pb-208 is as well.) Pb has several stable isotopes due to the filled proton shell, and you don't find any stable isotopes with more protons. It's also true that nuclei with an odd number of neutrons and protons tend to be unstable, as one flavor of beta decay will tend to occur - there are no stable odd-odd nuclei heavier than N-14. Pairing up the neutrons and protons gives you a lower energy state.

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    I almost had a group of friends convinced that "Adamantum" was a real element.

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    Good points Swansot.
    From back in grad school, I had some friends who worked at the transuranium reactor at ORNL. They were just trying to determine basic properties of the more stable elements in 10X's that had half lives of hours.
    They talked about the island of stability, but that they did not expect it to anything more than minutes at best. It takes months inside that reactor to produce micrograms or less of desired material. It is not that easy to build more massive elements through a progression of unstable isotopes.

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    So, gamma radiation... is that from some sort of energy level change in the nucleus?

    Reccomend any good books on the subject? I'm dying to find out more now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoMo
    Quote Originally Posted by tuffel999
    How about adamantium.....anyone find it yet?
    William Stryker did. :P
    Ohhh...right...there goes my nobel prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex W.
    So, gamma radiation... is that from some sort of energy level change in the nucleus?
    That's one source, yes. Gammas are (for physicists*, anyway) photons that come from nuclear interactions.

    *AFAIK Astronomers will call any high-energy photon a gamma. :roll:

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