Another sensless act of bad science

[xfahctor]

It seems another sensless act of bad science has claimed more victims. When will the horror end?
Not going to get too specific here, the basics should do. I'm yacking in another forum, people are now claiming that H.A.A.R.P. is being used to manipulate yellowstone's caldera. You had to know this was comming and there it is. The same people are also claiming the deliberate removal of data from USGS website monitoring things.
I know it's bunk, but could use a bit more knowlage than I have to talk about, in a more intelligent manner, WHY it's bunk.

[Rue]

Erm, you'll probably get flak for posting this.

But regarding HAARP, the CT line was that is was for weather manipulation. Now it can be used to affect the earth's siesmic activity as well? Soon there will be nothing HAARP can't do!

USGS: Bad state-sponsored censorship is not catching data before it gets put up on a gov. website.

[Swift]

I suspect HAARP also causes tooth decay and the economic downturn.

@ xfahctor - If you search the CT forum, you'll find several past discussions about HAARP nonsense, if you are interested.

[Fazor]

I suspect HAARP also causes tooth decay and the economic downturn.

And the world is also secretly run by the Jew's HAARP.

(Disclaimer: Just a play off of the common CT that the world is run by a secret Jewish superpower, and the instrument. I just couldn't pass up such a deliciously bad pun!!)

[xfahctor]

thanks for the replies. Yes, haarp is an amazing machine. It controls weather, causes earthquakes and is great for those stubborn grass stains. It slices, dices, and it contains no trans fat either.
I expect a little flack for posting this I suppose, just know that I don't believe any of the junk thats been pushed about it or any other ct for that matter. I will post more specifics in this thread as they opo up and if other threads can't answer. Sometimes it's just easier and quicker to ask a few questions of learned people than to spend hours wading through threads past for answers that kinda sorta answer what I am looking for.
Anyway, thanks again.

[captain swoop]

And the world is also secretly run by the Jew's HAARP.

(Disclaimer: Just a play off of the common CT that the world is run by a secret Jewish superpower, and the instrument. I just couldn't pass up such a deliciously bad pun!!)

IS there such a thing as a good one? You should be Pun ished.

[xfahctor]

And the world is also secretly run by the Jew's HAARP.

(Disclaimer: Just a play off of the common CT that the world is run by a secret Jewish superpower, and the instrument. I just couldn't pass up such a deliciously bad pun!!)

Not to be confused with jews H.A.R.P. (high altitude research program). Mel Brooks would indeed be proud. JEWS (echo) IN (echo) SPACE (space.....space......space.....)

[MartianMarvin]

I used to have a list of things that HAARP could do or did, according to CTs. I've since misplaced it, but among the items were:

It could be used as a scalar weapon.
It could be used to intercept and/or change radio transmissions.
It could be used to alter/control one's thoughts.
It could be used to create an earthquake.
It was used to amplify and steer Katrina.
It was used to cause the Interstate 35-W bridge collapse.
It is used in conjunction with chemtrails.
It can target any point on the globe.

Whenever a CT mentions HAARP, you can be positive that whatever understanding they have of its capabilities comes from a demonstrably invalid source. You can also bet that the CT has a low conspiracy threshold.

Several problems, of course, arise when invoking HAARP in such fashion. Energy considerations are a huge problem. I'm quite sure that the energy involved in the recent quake swarm at Yellowstone is much greater (orders of magnitude, quite likely) than what HAARP could consume, much less transfer to a site thousands of miles away. Another problem is targetting. The HAARP array is fixed, the only direction they transmit is more or less straight up. I've never come across anyone invoking HAARP in support of their claims who could satisfactorialy resolve either of those issues.

[Fazor]

I've never come across anyone invoking HAARP in support of their claims who could satisfactorialy resolve either of those issues.
Because, when you're to the point that you believe CT's involving HAARP controlling natural disasters, you don't need support. You also believe there's some magic technology that is top secret and doesn't have to follow the laws of physics as we know them.

[Joe Boy]

I suggest there is nothing known to man that is going to manipulate that particular culdera in a good way and if HARP could be used in some diabolic way to encourage a premature eruption there, I doubt that those in control of this divice would ever consider it. A foot or more of volcanic dust over our fertile heartland would mean the end to a lot of food everywhere for everyone not to mention the years of negative climate change. A disaster of that level is almost unimaginable. That is why it is a lot of bunk, in my opinion of course. Fooling around with mother nature on this level if possible could surely mean the end to life as we know it. But it will happen again some day, without our help-----Spooky man--jb

[xfahctor]

lol, hang on, it gets even better, some are perporting that they are planning on blowing it with a nuke.
Its so sad, I hang in that place for the grains of truthfull and acurate political information that I find after sorting through that garbage, but THIS is the garbage I have to wade through along the way, sometimes it's just too good to pass up contesting, it's almost sureal.

[Fazor]

I would think that it would be a (relatively) simple matter to determin the kind of force necessary to move that amount of earth, and the amount of force created by any known nuclear device.

But again, the frustraiting part is they CT's think they have the luxury of calling the "top secret technology" card any time reality gets in their way.

[PetersCreek]

I used to have a list of things that HAARP could do or did, according to CTs. I've since misplaced it, but among the items were:...

Was the Columbia disaster on your list? That site is pretty out there, making mistakes early and often. Being from Alaska, this opening error leapt off the page at me:

For several years, beginning about 1998, HAARP is normally turned on during the summer months, starting several hours before midnight. They are doing atmospheric auroral zone research for several hours each night when the sky is very dark, during that part of the month when the bright moon is below the horizon.

I tried to explain to the author that the summer months is not the time of year when "the sky is very dark"...that around the equinox particulary, the sky gets no darker than twilight...that several hours before midnight is broad daylight...and that the winter months are, in fact, the best time of year to observe aurorae. He was completely oblivious to the facts in his response and went on to repeat his misunderstandings.

[dgavin]

lol, hang on, it gets even better, some are perporting that they are planning on blowing it with a nuke.
Its so sad, I hang in that place for the grains of truthfull and acurate political information that I find after sorting through that garbage, but THIS is the garbage I have to wade through along the way, sometimes it's just too good to pass up contesting, it's almost sureal.

Barring the loss of the Auoral Research which would be missed, I would welcome the CT's attepting building and then setting of a weapon at HAARP.

Why?

Because It would give proff past any doubt; that beliefs in Conspiracy Theroies that contradics all know eveidence stating otherwise, is a serious and dangerous mental disorder that needs to be treated.

[Joe Boy]

Hey, congrats on your new position. Of course they wanted me also but I thought I would give some of the other members a shot at it. Oops, got to go, got my tongue stuck in my cheek some how--later friend--joe (to PC)

[LaurelHS]

HAARP has also been blamed for the meteor seen in Tok, Alaska earlier this month.

[NEOWatcher]

I tried to explain to the author that the summer months is not the time of year when "the sky is very dark"

Nice try, but the site is from Australia, so perhaps it's just a localization problem. Especially if he's relating it to Columbia.

[PetersCreek]

That would give him the benefit of the doubt...but I even sent him a sunrise/sunset chart for the period and still, it was as if I'd said nothing at all. IMO, localization wasn't the problem.

[Fazor]

The problem was it didn't fit the theory, thus was ignored. The text-communique equivalent of plugging one's ears and repeating "lalala I can't hear you! lalala!"

[xfahctor]

Barring the loss of the Auoral Research which would be missed, I would welcome the CT's attepting building and then setting of a weapon at HAARP.

Why?

Because It would give proff past any doubt; that beliefs in Conspiracy Theroies that contradics all know eveidence stating otherwise, is a serious and dangerous mental disorder that needs to be treated.

No, I meant they (ct'ers) are claiming that THEY (nwo, illuminati,govt,whateveryacallit) is planning on blowing yellowstone with a nuke.

[dgavin]

No, I meant they (ct'ers) are claiming that THEY (nwo, illuminati,govt,whateveryacallit) is planning on blowing yellowstone with a nuke.

Oh good grief. . .

Without drilling and buryign such a weapon about 1 to 2 km down, about all even a 100MT weapon would do is to glassify the surface dirt.

And if your gonna drill down to 2km to do this, at yellowstone you -will- open up a new hydrotermal outlet, and you'll -never- get a weapon down into the hole because of all the presurized hot water being released.

They already played around with drilling deep holes at Yellowstone, and one of them became such a huge geyser that it took them 3 months just to work out a way to cap the thing off! Pressure wise that puppy had 8 times the force behind it as oil wells typically do.

[Ilya]

They already played around with drilling deep holes at Yellowstone, and one of them became such a huge geyser that it took them 3 months just to work out a way to cap the thing off!

Why cap it at all? Why couldn't they (who exactly are "they" in this case?) just leave it alone as a new geyser?

[dgavin]

Why cap it at all? Why couldn't they (who exactly are "they" in this case?) just leave it alone as a new geyser?

It used to be up on the YVO main page, but since all the resent activity at Yellowstone I haven't been able to find the news blurb on this any more.

I think they decided to cap it as they were worried about it potentially releasing too fast and affecting the natural geysers.

I'll find the article, just give me time!

[dgavin]

Here is the Link to the article about them Capping it of, still haven't found the one where they discussed details on it more in debth.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2008/1014/

And an image from the atricle for folks to enjoy.

[NEOWatcher]

...IMO, localization wasn't the problem.

I don't doubt that at all. I'm sure there's a whole lot more to it. Unfortunately, that was the only information I had to go on.

[ineluki]

Several problems, of course, arise when invoking HAARP in such fashion. Energy considerations are a huge problem.

More important, all those "almighty NWO" theories just ask for the question WHAT the NWO's real plan is.

[Fazor]

More important, all those "almighty NWO" theories just ask for the question WHAT the NWO's real plan is.

The most common CT answer is that they wish to eradicate the earth of most of mankind, so they can start over with just themselves and "their kind", whatever that is.

[MartianMarvin]

So, Columbia was bombarded by relativistic particles (travelling along what can only be assumed to be a fairly narrow beam from above Gokana to somewhere above New Zealand, apparently), causing the failure of its instruments which ultimately lead to catastrophic failure?

I think I remember hearing about this one, so I suppose it was on my list. I had since forgotten it, however.

[KaiYeves]

That site is pretty out there, making mistakes early and often.

Gee, if he hates the US government so much, why did he write in red and blue? ;-)

[MartianMarvin]

Because those are the colors of teh Turth!