Waiting for the Apocalypse

[nibirutablet]

new and viewed for the first time publically:

http://www.planetxvideo.com/waitingfortheapocalypse.htm

"Waiting for the Apocalypse" features prominent scientists Jay Tate of the Spaceguard centre in Wales, Astronomer Sir Martin Rees of Cambridge University, Andy Lloyd of the Dark Star Theory, and a rare interview with Dr. John Murray of the Department of Earth Sciences at the Open University. John Murray wrote a controversial paper in 1999 regarding the potential existence of a sub brown dwarf orbiting the Sun based upon his analysis of long-period comet data. His work, along with that of Dr. Matese and Whitmire in the States, has helped to propel the case for a massive Planet X forward.

[Humphrey]

First: welcome to the board.

Second: sorry but if you read the board and the website attached to it you will see that there is ambple evidence to disprove PX theories.

Can you show us proof that planet x is here? Why can't any astronomer or person looking at the sky see it? Why can't we see it's effect on the planets and moons? Why do we not have any physical proof on earth that it has passed by us and caused any disaster?

[nibirutablet]

>First: welcome to the board.

Thanks, I have a free hour and I'd like to share something with you all.

>Second: sorry but if you read the board and the website attached to it >you will see that there is ambple evidence to disprove PX theories.

I saw that, thank you. I also saw your signiture that says you're "perfect"... cute =)
If I may be so bold, I'd like to suggest that our understanding of the universe, much less of our own solar system, is far from perfect. I am well aware of the myopic nature of some on this forum, and I don't expect to have any fans here, but I'd like to present some data regarding the subject since I too take it seriously. I'd expect even the most closed minded individual to give it a look, since 1). it is Free, and 2). it is delivered by astronomers that outrank you and anyone else on this board. I know what board I'm posting to... the same one that assured me there was nothing unusual with the sun back when my first documentary came out. If "ample evidence" is what you like, I'd be more than happy to unload 20-30 links for you from the BBC and CNN, half of which have "record breaking flare" in the title. But that in itself proves nothing, except that the "experts" are wrong too sometimes, and they have no aliens to blame =). All I want to do is expose you to something new from some different angles. Even the Bad Astronomer himself stumbled on a recent radio interview when questioned about ancient tales of comets and cataclysms, admiting it was all greek to him. Nobody ever said one science like astronomy should be blind to another like geology or even ancient recorded history. I only ask for 8 minutes of your time to view a clip..... fair enough?

>Can you show us proof that planet x is here? Why can't any astronomer
>or person looking at the sky see it? Why can't we see it's effect on the >planets and moons? Why do we not have any physical proof on earth >that it has passed by us and caused any disaster?

I would say, yes, we are seeing changes on the earth and in the solar system. Yes, pluto is going through global warming, as is Mars, and other planets/moons as we speak. Need I bring up the sun again?
A person can not see it looking at the sky because it is not yet visible to the naked eye. Yes, Nancy Lieder has been very influential in the field, and I completely support her efforts and personally believe in her sincerety, but she was incorrect with her date so far and I agree Planet X is not yet in our backyard. Where she failed in her exact prediction, she succeeded in pointing out Velikovsky's timetable of cataclyms which are well documented if you take the time to look (and no, this has nothing to do with aliens, which I am sure you have all figured out as well). I am hoping you stretch you quest of the subject to include at least 3-4 more sources. Can you prove to me that there will not be any more global cataclysms/ice ages? Can you prove to me that you know what caused the previous ones? If there is no Atlantis, what put the other 50 or so megalithic structures under the see? Are all religions and mythology mass hallusinations? Do you conclusively understand the causes of periodic ice ages, can you explain away global myths of a deluge (dated to 7000 years ago by the way according to scientist exploring the black sea deluge), can you explain pangea better than Sitchin can (the pacific ocean basin as the wound). Are you able to prove to me that Darwinism has no flaws, that a missing link will be found? Ha... I'm all ears on that one.

We all have questions, my friend, and I am merely suggesting you be more open minded. 2003 hysteria is over for the most part, is it not? So let's see if we can have some reasonable discussion about the tangible data. I am offering you information that I have gathered (and continue to)from first hand experience, including most public researchers and some who are still in the closet. What I expect in return is an objective, skeptical, perspective to keep my research grounded. If, however, I am asked to leave, it won't be the first time. It's hard to debate me because I don't talk to aliens, so you can't attack that, and I've interviewed enough PHDs worldwide to know what will stump you, unless of course you are more deserving of their awards and are as perfect as you jokingly claim to be. You know experts that say one thing, I know just as many on the other side of the fence. The point is, where there's smoke, there's usually fire, and somewhere in the middle is a big fat planet and I've already picked out a name for it.... =)
Now, do me a favor and actually watch this clip. I can tell you haven't yet because there would have been a song and dance or two about the strong skeptical component. It costs you nothing and as a person i honestly care to hear what your opinions, conclusions, comments are on what some like Dr. Murray are saying. The late Dr. Harrington is often dismissed because of some new number cruching regarding the pertubations of Neptune/Uranus. What about the comet data Murray proposes?
Let's not forget Quarr last year. Almost as sudden as all of these near earth misses by what NASA calls "Planet Killers", which we only hear about after the fact.
What percentage of the sky did you say was being monitored 24/7? =)

We're all on the same team, my friend, whether we know it or admit it to ourselves. We have a long way to go before our understanding on this is "perfect".

http://www.planetxvideo.com/waitingfortheapocalypse.htm
http://www.planetxvideo.com/lloyd.htm

[Humphrey]

Thank you for your curteous reply. It is very much apreciated. You have raised imesurably in my view of you. Thank you for not showing yourself as a troll.

I will watch the Video later tonight ro tomorrow afternoon. I do promise that.
In truth i do not know alot about the solar system and the physics of it. I know the basics form college classes in Astronomy, but not the intricaies. But i do no a good amount in Archaeology, anthropology, and geography. And yes i can answer to the best of my knoledge and what the current belief is to all of your answers. But i do not think you want answrrs to your question. I read it as more of you trying to make a point. If i read that wrong, correct me and we can debate those gladly. :-)
Were you trying to say that not all science should be trusted and believed as fact? That we do not know everything?
Of course this is true. Almost nuthing is a fact in science. It is all theories. Think of it as the best option we have at this moment. Planet X is a possibility of course. Anything is a posibility. But in my learnings and reading i believe that the evidence strongly suggests no planet X.


We are not all ardent followers of the BA in every sense. We have two regulars on there that i know of that do believe in Stichin and his beliefs. We do not discriminate here. The only time someone is asked to leave is if they break a rule in the FAQ. .

I do hope you stay and become a regular. Along with this topic (planet x) move into the other topics here. Put your opinons in. Introduce yourself in the Babbling topic.

:-)

[nibirutablet]

>Thank you for your curteous reply. It is very much apreciated. You have >raised imesurably in my view of you. Thank you for not showing >yourself as a troll.
>I will watch the Video later tonight ro tomorrow afternoon. I do promise >that.

Thanks for the open mind and the willingness to hear me out.

>In truth i do not know alot about the solar system and the physics of it. I >know the basics form college classes in Astronomy, but not the >intricaies. But i do no a good amount in Archaeology, anthropology, and >geography. And yes i can answer to the best of my knoledge and what >the current belief is to all of your answers. But i do not think you want >answrrs to your question. I read it as more of you trying to make a >point. If i read that wrong, correct me and we can debate those gladly.

You are right in a way. I surely want answers. But look at it from my perspective. I too went to school. You may not be able to tell by my grammer and spelling (english is my third language), but I underwent the same college courses in astronomy and I read the same papers as most others here. I can usually predict what the arguements are because I heard them all from the horse's mouth. If someone in New York had something to say about Planet X, I flew there on my own dime to understand for myself. When I first heard of zetatalk, I stayed in Nancy Lieder's home for almost a week to find out what she was about first hand. I have several hundred hours of taped interviews with high level PHDs who wrote the books that you derive answers from, so I know what you will probably say if you have read them like you say. What I am interested in is your reaction to some things that are not in the mainstream, that I have been exposed to and many have not yet. Its as simple as that. I want to introduce some new ideas that go against the grain a bit, and I ask you to compare this knew data against everything you have learned in your life up until now. Every fairy tale and mythology you have been exposed to. Every theory you have entertained, but that didn't quite fit together perfectly as it should.... like human evolution, etc. That is how I expect to learn, each person has a valuable and unique perspective. Some, however, can't seem to express themselves without personal attcks, and this is what holds my field back. Nancy, for one, is certainly not 100% correct. But if you take a look at what you just wrote to me above, the part about how not everyone on this list is a die hard BA follower... not every PX proponent has to explain may 15th, where it was obviously a subjective prediction of one individual. This is a large field, no one source has all the answers, and this especially goes for the current mainstream take on things, as we are finding out more and more these days.

[LTC8K6]

Robert, is that you, the owner of Planetxvideo.com?

[John Jones]

Robert, is that you, the owner of Planetxvideo.com?

That's my guess. http://www.skepticalmind.com/sepehr.html gives some background information about this Robert Sepehr character

[Sammy]

Nirabutablet wrote

I am well aware of the myopic nature of some on this forum, and I don't expect to have any fans here, but I'd like to present some data regarding the subject since I too take it seriously

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I think it's a lot more myopic to ignore the the massive observational and theoretical data militating against the possibility of a PX as postulated by you and others of your persuasion.

Also, if your knowledge of astronomy is equivalent to your understanding of evolution theory, you're rally in trouble. The term "missing link" has no relevance to evolution theory. It's thrown around by woo woos who think that evolution theory states that man descended from animals like the current ape/gorilla family, and are looking for the missing link between humans and apes. The link does not exist because humans and the primates are descended from common roots, not one from the other.
The factual data supporting evolution theory is probably even stronger that the data demonstrating that a PX-like body does not exist.

[Archer17]

If I may be so bold, I'd like to suggest that our understanding of the universe, much less of our own solar system, is far from perfect.

Here we go. The classic woowoo preamble. If our knowledge is not complete, someone is only too willing to fill the gaps with pseudo-scientific hocus.

I am well aware of the myopic nature of some on this forum, and I don't expect to have any fans here, but I'd like to present some data regarding the subject since I too take it seriously. I'd expect even the most closed minded individual to give it a look, since 1). it is Free, and 2). it is delivered by astronomers that outrank you and anyone else on this board.

Speaking of myopia, have you had your peeper's examined lately? You see what you want to see and fail to see how obvious you are about plugging your video. It's curious how these top-notch astronomers have kept quiet about this hocus of yours although woowoos always have had a conspiratorial reason for that.

I know what board I'm posting to... the same one that assured me there was nothing unusual with the sun back when my first documentary came out. If "ample evidence" is what you like, I'd be more than happy to unload 20-30 links for you from the BBC and CNN, half of which have "record breaking flare" in the title. But that in itself proves nothing, except that the "experts" are wrong too sometimes, and they have no aliens to blame =). All I want to do is expose you to something new from some different angles.

Your "ample evidence" is lame regarding the recent CMEs in that you infer from "record-breaking" that there's something ominous going on. Records are made to be broken and there is no evidence we had/have anything to fear. Typical fear-mongering unsupported by fact. Offering to link to CNN or the BBC is a woowoo-board favorite. I've read what the BBC and CNN had to say and didn't see anything printed that would panic the public.

Even the Bad Astronomer himself stumbled on a recent radio interview when questioned about ancient tales of comets and cataclysms, admiting it was all greek to him. Nobody ever said one science like astronomy should be blind to another like geology or even ancient recorded history.

I should let Dr. Plait address this himself although I can tell you that when a woowoo talks of "comets and ancient cataclysms" it's usually couched in woowoo misinterpretations/fabrications of ancient history. Your idea of ancient history/cataclysms etc in your own words:

Can you prove to me that there will not be any more global cataclysms/ice ages? Can you prove to me that you know what caused the previous ones? If there is no Atlantis, what put the other 50 or so megalithic structures under the see? Are all religions and mythology mass hallusinations? Do you conclusively understand the causes of periodic ice ages, can you explain away global myths of a deluge (dated to 7000 years ago by the way according to scientist exploring the black sea deluge), can you explain pangea better than Sitchin can (the pacific ocean basin as the wound).

If Dr. Plait said it, I'm glad this version of pre-history is "Greek" to him. Your choice of the moniker nibirutablet illustrates perfectly what kind of "ancient history" you are referring to.

I would say, yes, we are seeing changes on the earth and in the solar system. Yes, pluto is going through global warming, as is Mars, and other planets/moons as we speak. Need I bring up the sun again?

What you fail to bring up is the fact that when anything is currently unexplained by science, they admit it's unexplained...You woowoos explain it! When you experts are wrong you just move onto something else. Your drivel about Planet X contains nothing new, of course it's "not visible" to the naked eye! Thanks for sharing that with us! :wink: Your referencing NEOs is nothing new as well. It's a hot topic with doomsayers and we discuss it quite often. Bottom line, we are still here. Since I'm not going to watch the video, I'll let anyone that bothers discuss the merits of Murray/Harrington although I have no plans to sell the house yet.

[Humphrey]

Nirabutablet wrote

I am well aware of the myopic nature of some on this forum, and I don't expect to have any fans here, but I'd like to present some data regarding the subject since I too take it seriously

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I think it's a lot more myopic to ignore the the massive observational and theoretical data militating against the possibility of a PX as postulated by you and others of your persuasion.

Also, if your knowledge of astronomy is equivalent to your understanding of evolution theory, you're rally in trouble. The term "missing link" has no relevance to evolution theory. It's thrown around by woo woos who think that evolution theory states that man descended from animals like the current ape/gorilla family, and are looking for the missing link between humans and apes. The link does not exist because humans and the primates are descended from common roots, not one from the other.
The factual data supporting evolution theory is probably even stronger that the data demonstrating that a PX-like body does not exist.

I agree with you 100% there. By the name in the OP i'm guessing he is a Stichin believer. (just a guess).

So if he is, i would ask where the evidence for us being created is. I have studied evolution, and its most modern day theories. It is highly supported by hard facts.

Also there have been several very, very long threads on this topic of stichin. He might want to join. (To find them just look for the thread titled with stichin in it. )

[The Bad Astronomer]

Robert, since this links to a video you are selling, your post qualifies as spam, which is against the rules as pointed out in my FAQ (as well as multiple posts to other fora).

However, I will allow it; I want everyone here to go to the planetxvideo website and see just how wrong Mr. Sepehr's claims are. He was shown repeatedly in the PX Yahoo!groups lists exactly where and why he is so grossly wrong in his claims, but he never once changed his tune. He belongs in the same category as Mark Hazlewood, James McCanney, and the rest who are selling a vast bill of goods about Planet X.

[nibirutablet]

>Robert, since this links to a video you are selling, your post qualifies as >spam, which is against the rules as pointed out in my FAQ (as well as >multiple posts to other fora).

Funny, the person I was posting to didn't think so. It is a link to a free clip that I am hosting on my site. It hold's the opinions of those more qualified than yourself and therefore can hardly be considered spam. That, coupled with my willingness to sit here and argue my points personally should be reason enough to allow me to express myself. This is a discussion forum after all, is it not?

>However, I will allow it; I want everyone here to go to the planetxvideo >website and see just how wrong Mr. Sepehr's claims are. He was shown >repeatedly in the PX Yahoo!groups lists exactly where and why he is so >grossly wrong in his claims, but he never once changed his tune. He >belongs in the same category as Mark Hazlewood, James McCanney, >and the rest who are selling a vast bill of goods about Planet X.

Why all the hostility towards people who dissagree with You? I noticed you did not mention Jason Martell and he has Planet X T shirts and coffee mugs for sale. I guess it is the dating that makes you nervous. Its understandable, you seem to be virtually illiterate when it comes to ancient history and geology. As for my documentary, even Jim, the person who runs the site that you link to as your Planet X rebuttal, enjoyed the free copies I sent him. I wonder what he thinks now about my taped comments concerning the sun back in 1999. Speaking of Jim, at least he debated me and I learned a thing or two from him... You just have a few sentences and links crammed between your paid google ads (which I'm sure make you more money than all the above researchers combined). Nancy never recieved a dime and Mark Hazlewood didn't even have a car when I interviewed him. This does not mean I support every word of theirs, far from it, just the same way your "followers" made it clear to me that your views are not regarded as gospel either. The point is you talk a big talk for a guy with such a myopic understanding of the situation. The Yahoo debates were fun... ask Jim about how he was enlightened to the real accurate dating of Santarini, etc. While you're at it, mention the sun, or better yet, you tell me again about how it is in its normal minimum phase. I expect you will ban me from posting here in the future, but then again, maybe you'll just direct me and others here:
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/sun.html
Solar minimum indeed.

[nibirutablet]

>That's my guess. http://www.skepticalmind.com/sepehr.html gives some >background information about this Robert Sepehr character

The webmaster of this site has never contacted me and has refused to answer my emails for over a year since this crap went up. If you have a problem with my views on life, alien interaction, the number of Planets in our solar system, the reality of cataclysms, etc, then I can respect that. However, I feel I at least deserve the right to answer if you make such a personal attack (sheesh... and I'm called off topic, amazing).
First of all, most of those posts are not from me, but for those that are, i'll address them briefly here. I am 28 years old. I learned to type when I was 18-19 and got my first computer with AOL around then. In one of my first emails that I have ever recieved (think back now and see if you can relate), I saw a letter that said that if i sent one dollar to each person on the list, and each person did the same, somehow everyone would make money. Don't laugh, but I took a chance, put one dollar in an envelope, put my name on the list, and had my mother and father do the same. If you notice, their real names and addresses are posted on this guy's site still. Is this the work of a "felon" con artists spammer? i did this and I think about one month later, I recieved a dollar in the mail. I showed my parents, we laughed a bit, and that was that. I did not disguise my email when i posted the "spam" to a newsgroup, I followed the instructions, used my real name and the real names of my parents, and if anything, I was stupid, got duped, and to call me a felon for this is upsurd. Believe what you will, this is my side of that and i make no apology. I didn't even know what the word spam meant back then. I was had, and I'm sure everyone here fell for an MLM or some stupid chain letter at least once.... I just never thought this would lead to my mother and grandmother getting harassed and cranked called because this guy felt the need to dig this up on me and post it publically. You'd think he'd at least respond to my email and hear my side if he is such a "scientific" researcher who can dissect this nonsense theory of mine.
As for scientology posts, that was me as well. I spent 6 months reading about scientology. I also studied many other religions and belief systems and do not label myself as being affiliated with any group or organization. I am open minded, and when I saw bits and pieces that fit in with what i was discovering, i felt the need to disclose some of this to that very closed minded group at that time. I am not a scientologist, but I found some value in some of the material (I can say the same for 108 other cultures/beliefs). Scientology spoke of cataclysms. Is this wierder than Jesus walking on water or fairy tales of gods, etc?
Anyway, I guess I've said my piece, and if this makes me unqualified to share my opinions and conclusions here, I will respect that. But at least I had the balls to think for myself and do something about it. I never refused communication with anyone for any reason, answer each and every email, and sleep very well at night in knowing that I do get through and open many minds to new ideas daily. If you happen to not be one of them, 'm sure we'll both get over it.
Keep looking up.
-Robert Sepehr

[nibirutablet]

>Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I think it's a lot more myopic >to ignore the the massive observational and theoretical data militating >against the possibility of a PX as postulated by you and others of your >persuasion.

Speaking as an amateur astronomer, you are correct, because your science is based on observation and nothing has been "seen".
But at that stage of visibility, chatting in front of a computer would be your last concern. Talk to me about what happened 3600 and 7000 years ago, and make a not of the changes taking place now (both in our solar system and on the planet). Dr. John Murray's findings further support the theory, even more so since he has never heard of Sitchin or Nibiru. All i am saying is if the head of the US Naval Observatory found Sitchin's ideas reasonable, couldn't you give it a second look (and from another persective besides the usual 2003 bashing).
I notice nobody here even mentions current solar activity now that the Bad Astronomer was shown to be incorrect about its activity level. I heard a lot of name calling so far, but no answers... can we get some dialogue here of must i answer and defend every person I sat down and interviewed?

[R.A.F.]

http://www.skepticalmind.com/sepehr.html gives some background information about this Robert Sepehr character

Thanks for the link, John Jones...it's nice to know who we're dealing with here.

I notice nobody here mentions current solar activity now that the Bad Astronomer was shown to be incorrect about it's activity level.

OK, lets talk about the Solar activity level. Yes, we are in the "Solar minimum" part of the Sun's 11 year cycle. Yes, Scientists are surprised by recent activity on the Sun. WHAT exactly does that mean? Does it mean that "Niburu" must exist, that mainstream science is wrong?

HECK NO!!

What it means is that Scientists don't have a COMPLETE understanding of HOW the Sun works, and the BA will be the first one to admit that. Hopefully, this recent Solar activity will add to that understanding.

To claim that the recent activity has ANYTHING to do with a fictional Planet is drawing a conclusion based on absolutely NO evidence.

[foxd]

>Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I think it's a lot more myopic >to ignore the the massive observational and theoretical data militating >against the possibility of a PX as postulated by you and others of your >persuasion.

Speaking as an amateur astronomer, you are correct, because your science is based on observation and nothing has been "seen".
But at that stage of visibility, chatting in front of a computer would be your last concern. Talk to me about what happened 3600 and 7000 years ago, and make a not of the changes taking place now (both in our solar system and on the planet). Dr. John Murray's findings further support the theory, even more so since he has never heard of Sitchin or Nibiru. All i am saying is if the head of the US Naval Observatory found Sitchin's ideas reasonable, couldn't you give it a second look (and from another persective besides the usual 2003 bashing).
I notice nobody here even mentions current solar activity now that the Bad Astronomer was shown to be incorrect about its activity level. I heard a lot of name calling so far, but no answers... can we get some dialogue here of must i answer and defend every person I sat down and interviewed?

This is just so wrong on so many levels. If you are going to do any sort of science, someone at some point is going to have to do some observing! Suspect translations, of ancient texts, just won't do! And neither will questionable channeling of aliens, demons, gods, spirits, etc.

[Sammy]

Nirabutablet wrote

Speaking as an amateur astronomer, you are correct, because your science is based on observation and nothing has been "seen".

First, I'm not not any kind of an astronomer, but I'm smart enough to understand what real astronomers observe and don't observe. And second, I have the advantage of not being delusional and seeing things like bizzarre reasons for solar flares and CMEs.

To be more specific about observations, no one has produced believable observations of a PX-like bidy. But thousands, if not millions, of professional and amateur o0bservers have other near and far astronomical bodies and see no perturbations in their orbits, pertubations which must exist if PX is floating around anywhere. I'll take that observational data over known flawed translations of what may have been a Sumerian science fiction novel.

Finally, as in your earlier post where you dragged in evolution, you can't resist dragging in more woo woo ideation. Whether Jesus did or did not walk on water is a matter of personal belief and not relevant to this forum. But comapring Christianity to Scientology is totally invidious. Christianity (as far as we know) did not start as the babling of a diagnosed psychotic science fiction writer, and did not become a religion in order to avoid criminal prosecution for fraud and taxes on its profits.

[ignorant_ape]

ah rob sep logic at its finest , scientists cannot explain to his satisfaction the cause of this yeats unussual solar activity , so it must be attributed to woo woo PX

hey rob , please explain the solar storm of 1859 , also unexplained b current solar science

i cant believe this never came up in your " 8 year research "

to help heres a link :

http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlin...superstorm.htm

go ahead punk , make my day

YRS - APE

[nibirutablet]

Listen... I'm not psychic and I never once brought up aliens or demons.

All I am saying is that scientists knew that there were other planets in other solar systems long before the first one was ever imaged a decage or two ago. Up until then, planets revolving around other stars was just theory. Are you aware of that?

There must be some real science to go by when someone like Dr. Murray and others maintain that he's dicovered a massive body and convinced its there. And no, not in the 80's like Dr. Robert Harrington, but now. Does he channel aliens too? Must one be a zetatalk follower to dare speak of such a planet?

The most arrogent statement I have ever heard in my life is the reason I choose to post here as opposed to the plethora of other boards. When I heard "the BA" say that that he is 100% sure that there are no more planets, I couldn't contain myslef. The irony, of course, was that when he said this, Quarr was discovered only days later, but I agree that that hardly qualifies as the X we are talking about. But 'the BA" didn't even bother to focus on the 2003 flap, which he is so fond of. He made this general sweeping statement which he couldn't possibly know for sure. Most solar systems are binary and to conclusively say there is no Nemesis star or any other planets at this stage is as outragous to me as zetatalk ever was to you.

Dr. John Anderson - NASA
http://www.totse.com/en/technology/s.../10planet.html

Dr. Robert Harrington - US Naval Observatory
http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/np...J.....96.1476H

Dr. John Murray
http://www.planetxvideo.com/waitingfortheapocalypse.htm

Professor John Matise
http://www.planetxvideo.com/nemesis.htm

"If I was betting, it's better than 50-50 odds that it's there." - Daniel Whitmire on the existance of Planet X
http://www.planetxvideo.com/nemesis2.htm

Zecharia Sitchin
http://www.planetxvideo.com/sitchin.htm

Immanuel Velikovsky
http://www.planetxvideo.com/velikovsky.htm

Sun's twin:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected...ecfuniv116.xml

pioneer slowing:
http://www.geocities.com/solarstormmonitor/Pioneer.html

Evidence of angular momentum:
http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o.../angular.shtml

[ignorant_ape]

oh no here we go again , with solar activity

rob did you not save any of the info that i , otto zork , geoff , jim ( jitv {sp}) sent you on solar cycle 21 , 22 and 23 when you brought this tirred old canard up on the yahoo boards

need me to repost ? i can and will !

remember the double peaks ? huh !

YRS - APE

[nibirutablet]

>hey rob , please explain the solar storm of 1859 , also unexplained b >current solar science
>i cant believe this never came up in your " 8 year research "
>to help heres a link :
>http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlin...superstorm.htm
>go ahead punk , make my day

I like the above comment. At least it is far different than the normal garbage that nothing is going on. Sure, the sun has acted up before, and in itself, the sun's current RECORD breaking activity does not prove didly about a Planet X. However, it proves that your "expert" predictions about solar activity at this time was as wrong as a May 15th prediction by Nancy. Tell me, how can you conclusively rule out the existence of any other planets out there, regardless of its distance from the sun? Richard Hoagland maintains to be respected by many here and he clearly stated that not one, but two bodies are entering our solar system.... why does he think that? He also pointed out the changes in Pluto, the global warming on mars and other planets, and he did this all by belittling zetatalk. Like i said before, even if Lieder is off by a century, it will still be far closer to the truth than to propose nothing will ever be discovered.
here's a little reminder of our part, for those unable to see unless a telescope is glued to their eyeballs:
http://users.pgen.net/kithra/ecevprevpx.html
http://www.planetxvideo.com/quotes.htm

[nibirutablet]

>oh no here we go again , with solar activity
>rob did you not save any of the info that i , otto zork , geoff , jim ( jitv {sp}) sent you on solar cycle 21 , 22 and 23 when you brought this tirred >old canard up on the yahoo boards
>need me to repost ? i can and will !
>remember the double peaks ? huh !

I remeber examples given to me about how solar activity was normal for 1999-2000. That was years ago and this month's activity during the sun's solar minimun makes its last several solar maximums look like candle light.
As for the event in the 1800's, this month's activity overshadows that as well. There's nothing to discuss here... can we now focus on the causes or did I miss where you had posted about that. Please enlighten me if you figured it all out. As for the personal attacks, I have nothing to hide, and live with integrity out in the open which is more than i can say for anonymous people going by the nickname "ape". I never commited a crime in my life, have many friends and family that support my efforts though they disagree, and fail to see how taking things out of context helps you to make an argument for the sun's behavior. I propose an external celestial cause. And your rebuttal is...?

[Archer17]

.. Richard Hoagland maintains to be respected by many here..

My side hurts!. You've obviously not perused this board in any great depth. Regarding your other spiel, you bring nothing new to the table with your apocalyptic nonsense. We heard it all before. I think most of us will entertain the possibility of a planet or planets beyond the orbit of Pluto, but unlike you and other woowoos, don't ascribe an ominous portent to such a discovery. Same with the sun. There's no evidence (outside your lame inferences) that the recent spate of solar activity is a harbinger of any doom and gloom, imminently or in the future. None, zilch, nada. It's that simple. Sifting through and providing links to anything even remotely concerning your ominous "message" of impending doom and gloom reminds me of Kent Steadman and his breed. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't of had to spend a week at the Lieder residence :wink:

[R.A.F.]

Sure, the sun has acted up before, and in itself, the sun's current RECORD breaking activity does not prove didly about a Planet X. However, it proves that your "expert" predictions about solar activity at this time was as wrong as a May 15th prediction by Nancy.

SO WHAT...just because Scientists don't understand EVERYTHING about how the Sun works (didn't I just say this?) "does not prove didly about a Planet X", as you yourself just stated...so why bring that up as a point in your argument?

Richard Hoagland maintains to be respected by many here and he clearly stated that not one, but two bodies are entering our solar system....

Ah...excuse me but you MUST be confusing this with another board...Richard Hoagland respected here? THAT is just too, too, funny.

why does he think that?

My personal opinion...because he's a LOON.

[nibirutablet]

OK, so Richard Hoagland is a loon here, too. What's your answer to these guys:

A planet beyond Pluto
Jupiter would be dwarfed by the new planet
By News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

A UK astronomer may have discovered a new and bizarre planet orbiting the Sun, 1,000 times further away than the most distant known planet.

Currently, Pluto is the planet we think of being on the edge of our planetary system.

But the new body would be 30,000 times more distant from the Sun than the Earth - putting it a significant distance on the way to the nearest star.

What is more, it seems that the new planet cannot be a true member of our Sun's family of planets. It may be a planet that was born elsewhere, and roamed throughout the galaxy only to be captured on the outskirts of our own Solar System.

The controversial suggestion that there is another planet in deep space comes from Dr John Murray, of the UK's Open University. For several years, he has been studying the peculiar motions of so-called long-period comets.

Comets deflected

Comets - flying mountains of rock and ice - are thought to come from the cold and dark outer reaches of the Solar System, far beyond the planets in a region called the Oort cloud.

They spend millions of years in the Oort cloud, until they are deflected into an orbit that takes them into the inner Solar System where we can see them.

By analysing the orbits of 13 of these comets, Dr Murray has detected the tell-tale signs of a single massive object that deflected all of them into their current orbits.

"Although I have only analysed 13 comets in detail," he told BBC News Online, "the effect is pretty conclusive. I have calculated that there is only about a one in 1,700 chance that it is due to chance."

In a research paper to be published next week in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, he suggests that the so-far unseen planet is several times bigger than the largest known planet in our Solar System, Jupiter.

Being so far from the Sun - three thousand billion miles - it would take almost six million years to orbit it.

"This would explain why it has not been found," explained Dr Murray to BBC News Online. "It would be faint and moving very slowly."

Opposite direction

He has calculated that it lies in the constellation of Delphinus (the Dolphin).

But the planet orbits our Sun in the "wrong" direction, counter to the direction taken by all the other known planets.

It is this which has led to the remarkable suggestion that it did not form in this region of space along with the Sun's other planets, and could be a planet that "escaped" from another star.

But, if it is discovered, will Dr Murray get a chance to name it?

"Probably not," he says. "That will be up to an international committee. But it would be nice to make a few suggestions."

Further evidence to support Dr Murray's claims will be presented at a conference in Italy next week.

Professor John Matese, of the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, has carried out a similar study and reached broadly similar conclusions. His research is to be published in Icarus, the journal of Solar System studies.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/467572.stm

Since the article does not reference zetatalk, see if you can answer without use of the word Lieder.

[nibirutablet]

From the Work of Robertino Solarion:

There is no doubt that the Planet Earth's Polar Axis has shifted during its geological history. Evidence of such shifting can be found all over the world. Any academic difference of opinion resides in the question of exactly when these Polar Axis Shifts occurred. On the one hand, there are traditional scientists and geologists who date these shifts millions of years into the past, stating that there is absolutely no evidence that such shifts occurred within recent geologic times. But on the other hand, there is the Velikovskian School which dictates that at least one of these Polar Axis Shifts, perhaps even two or three of them, occurred within recorded historic times.
http://www.apollonius.net/polarpivot.html

Charles Darwin, who denied the occurrence of continental catastrophes in the past, in a letter to Sir Henry Howorth admitted that the extinction of mammoths in Siberia was for him an insoluble problem. J.D. Dana, the leading American geologist of the second half of the last century, wrote: "The encasing in ice of huge elephants, and the perfect preservation of the flesh, shows that the cold finally became suddenly extreme, as of a single winter's night, and knew no relenting afterward."
In the stomachs and between the teeth of the mammoths were found plants and grasses that do not grow now in northern Siberia. "The contents of the stomachs have been carefully examined; they showed the undigested food ... which was a proof of a sudden death."
http://www.apollonius.net/upheaval.html

"climate catastrophes are caused by the 3,600-year-long orbit of the Planet Nibiru, as its arrival sequence results in Polar Axis Shifts here on Earth. For the record, the exact dates are as follows:
12,387 BCE
8787 BCE
5187 BCE
1587 BCE
http://www.apollonius.net/climate.html

http://www.planetxvideo.com/robertinosolarionvideo.htm

[Sever]

I don't think a gas giant that big could orbit out so far from the sun. And just 13 comets? Surely something that big would have disturbed more don't you think? And you are starting to sound like Nancy.

[Archer17]

Citing speculative articles that use the word "may" or "but, if it is discovered.." isn't helping your case here. Bottom line: Your snippet regarding this planet of yours concedes "it has not been found" and there's no proof that, even if it is, your apocalyptic garbage is in any way legitimized. You're grasping at unsubstantiated straws and wasting your time (at least here) with your woowoo spin. But by all means keep trying.. knock yourself out! We don't get too many woowoo carpetbaggers in here nowadays.

[nibirutablet]

>I don't think a gas giant that big could orbit out so far from the sun. And >just 13 comets? Surely something that big would have disturbed more >don't you think?

So far from the sun? Another recent phenomenon is this thing we have called wandering planets, ever hear of them? 13 comets are but another independent piece of data that an open free thinking mind can evaluate against further independent findings. Again I ask, is it not even a itty bitty bit arrogent to suggest that a 100% conclusion can NOW be derived that there are no more bodies out there. If you bother to take the time to read this and to answer, then please answer that. I think it is more outragous of a statement than to claim aliens said this or that. At least nancy can blame aliens for errors. Mr. BA needs no such channeling since he is THE authority and can absolutely make such a statement into fact. Am I understanding this correctly? Or is the consensus that there is a slight and small possibility that there is another body lurking out there, but it is not in the zetatalk images and certainly not going to trigger a pole shift this year. These are two completely different concepts and the latter is an acceptable one in my opinion, where Professor BA's statements borderline megalomania.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scite...ets990630.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/467572.stm

[Humphrey]

Nibiru: No geologist will deny a polar shift. But this is a [b]magnetic[/b[ not a physical shift. In the geological record we have numerous examples of magnetic shifts of the poles. Some of the best is at the spreading place centers all around the world.

This is no way proves of planet x.

Charels Darwin was not a super genious who knew everything. He was a normal human being and had faults and misconceptions. In his origonal publishing of Origen he did not know why some deer have such huge antlers. But later on it came to him that it was sexual selection and he put that in a revised edition.

But from the geological record the magentic polar shifts do not occur on a regular interval. You are only picking and choosing certain dates.

Also a physical shift will cause massive disruptions in the continents and easily be felt and seen by the people of the times. Why is this not show in their record and the geological record?