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    I have been on various forums regarding change. Climate change explanation expectation in the last paragraphs. There is evidence that humans evolve to a degree of civilization and through catastrophe collapse to primitive again. It is something to avoid. I estimate that change also affects communication because that is what drives civilized society. Look up in Wikipedia or here for Boskop Man.

    I believe the Bible is a blueprint of exactly what is going to happen. We just do not know how to read it yet. After a couple of experiences I believe there is much more to the Bible story and that it has been given to the ancients as if seen by the future. So I looked for a science that might come close.

    If one looks at Einstein's idea that wormholes are the predominant formation meaning a stretching and moving of space it is possible. As soon as space is stretched then time has a shape and can be seen from within and from the outside. An example of seen from the outside is the WMAP early universe survey where it has been recently discovered that the heat distribution is of the same shape as the structure of galaxies in our present universe. The early dark matter has a flow, discovered in the last few weeks. The early dark matter is stretched to one side, also discovered in the last few weeks. There is no dark energy in the early universe survey because we are looking at it from the outside.

    From inside this current universe we see matter and dark matter account for a quarter of the universe. Dark energy accounts for the other three quarters. That works with a forward and reverse no touching twin line of stars connected. Try wrapping an elastic band around your fingers twice and see the tension across one strand is one quarter. We are in that one forward flow and the other three are energy.

    Matter connected in time meaning the shape of time indicates a partial reverse as in magnetic fields when we turn a corner. Note time can not completely reverse because matter would back up over itself. Back to the rubber band analogy and with a bit of shaping a circle and a cross can be made. That is significant. Now the Bible does not pull punches because it clearly says a third of the people will die. For time to reverse fields one would have to calmly wait the time of reverse which would be difficult for the untrained or small children and pregnant women could sustain severe injury if a baby is distressed.

    For matter to be connected in time then time would have shape. For that shape see local bubble or local fluff as the heat shape the solar system is traveling through. It is an hourglass meaning a bottleneck in time and it bends at an angle indicating a change in direction which we see before entering the bottleneck. For us it will appear straight as we go through. Also time symmetry affects the nuclear weak force. Critical mass for nuclear weapons will become smaller and less stable. That is already seen in that superpowers are 'advancing' to smaller tactical high accuracy weapons. The British have had to move the Trident missiles due to unacceptable high radiation levels. This apparent linear decline in mass size will quickly become exponential. There will be a time when only foot soldiers will march as electronics will fail because they use electricity. Nuclear isotopes are in the family home as smoke detectors, in offices and theaters as exit signs and in schools and hospitals as teaching and healing tools. By far the most nuclear material is in waste although the power generating industry contributes its fair share.

    The transition will take a time and so the hour and the day observed around the world will vary according to the dateline and the longitude. It will happen. The poles currently are experiencing rebound due to the lowering of the ice weight upon them. Every percent shift in the roundness of the earth is a two hundred meter difference in ocean height. Magnetism attracts and so the shift of the field to a distant new position will cause stresses as the earth finds its new shape and ocean flow.

    This is what is likely if the universe is fully connected in time from end to end and all things known. People complain they would not want life if it is deterministic as the idea suggests. Do you value being who you are each day when you wake up? Is it important to know your name, your job, your bank account? You can not access the past to change those details just as you can not access the future. Your present, your now is reality and the perception of reality is the life you live. It is not so bad. A guitar string does not move along the neck of the instrument but when strummed can produce wonderful sounds (and some shockers as well).

    The future I worry about is the scorpion sting and days of pain that must be suffered. Only in the last eight years has there been the power to break symmetry which means breaking reality in a connected time universe. It takes ten or more times the power input to make the heaviest particles. One theory is that antiparticle may travel to the past and change it on us. Why does no one look ahead and ask could the missing energy from the experiments be causing radiation, burning and suffering in the future?

    This is if science is wrong about what matter really is. Currently we do know that scientists can not explain what dark matter is or what dark energy is. Giving something the word dark means invisible, unseen and unknown. Scientists also do not know what matter is. That is why they experiment ... even at the risk of being wrong.

    More of the observations are the super cluster Virgo galaxy M87 and a twin M77 which would be expected in a time reverse through a super structure required to bounce our Milky Way galaxy. We have an influence exerted on our galaxy by Virgo and so relative to any observation our Milky Way galaxy should not be flat. When we see the sun we see where it was eight minutes ago. Likewise any induced movement should give our Milky Way galaxy a conical shape. So the entire galaxy is being evenly pushed in a strange direction as shown by our passage in the local bubble, a bubble we are coming to the end of.

    Climate change in these circumstances would require a charge discharge noticed as heat increasing quite rapidly on approach. Mosquitoes were a sign of a change in times as known in ancient Egyptian times. Global heating precedes a cooling cycle or ice age with rapid onset in times as little as a hundred years. This would indicate sacrificing heat on transition to take on the opposite charge. On the quantum scale it is hard to imagine how measurements in pico seconds and femto seconds producing cycles like the 41,000 year and 100,000 year cycles of the sun. Harder to see how the cyclical volcanic eruption of Yellowstone would occur every 600,000 years geologically and magnetic pole reversal every 700,000 by residual magnetic field found in the deep ocean rifts.

    Likely there is going to be a rapid heat increase then transit followed by tidal events and then rapid cooling followed water shortages caused by loss of oceans through fractures connecting deep salt layers. Deep sea mining operations have pierced salt layers to get to oil. If that becomes a weak point then because salt formations and oil are commonly found together the relatively stable and unchanging environment we are used to may be one to survive and then do as much to preserve as is possible.

    If this comes about then society will need to rebuild from basic tools. Learning to communicate again under changed conditions would also be essential and may require some sort of pictorial record as the visual center of the brain is the most rapid to adjust due to necessity while hearing is a learned skill.

    I use the references as a guide on the premise that consciousness exists ahead and behind us in time. I also believe that due to current experiments that it is just as unlikely we will be around long enough to see it for ourselves. As for the death of a third of humanity it depends a lot on timescale of the transition for determining if it is a best case or worst case scenario.

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    Perhaps a moderator could move this to the Against the Mainstream of Consciousness forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formulaterp View Post
    Perhaps a moderator could move this to the Against the Mainstream of Consciousness forum.
    You are welcome to question my logic and reasons given. It is very hard to argue a case against the current assumption of the arrow of time without reference to ancient documents and various geological and paleontological discoveries.

    For those who have read my previous posts I am looking for discussion and as to consciousness there is medical evidence that neurological pairing is observed between rowers and spectators. The same areas of the brain about 1000 neurons are active and synchronous as measured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    The same areas of the brain about 1000 neurons are active and synchronous as measured.
    I don't consider that unusual.

    The brain is able to block off thought of action from actual action; it's been shown that imagining doing something makes the bits of the brain involved in actually doing something active.

    The spectators are watching the rowers and quite possibly imagining or thinking about doing the same thing. That could easily excite the same areas of their brains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    ...there is medical evidence that neurological pairing is observed between rowers and spectators.
    It seems a stretch to think there's any deeper kind of "connection" between the spectators and rowers.
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    The material quoted in the Eiseley article is nothing short of silly--surprisingly naive for someone of his stature. Eiseley makes assumptions about brain size and superiority, facial "modernization," and more nonsense based on faulty understanding of the meaning of those features.

    Your own comments ramble incoherently, so it's hard to figure out what you are trying to say (how are reversing magnetic fields, turning corners and Biblical predictions of the death of a third of the people related to each other?). Civilizations rise and fall, but humans as a species do not revert to "primitive" in the process, though certain limited groups may take losses in their standard of living.

    Sorry, I just tried to read this through again to see if I was missing something, and it's nothing more than meaningless rambling. I'm not sure it makes it even to the level of word salad. You may want to take a look at some texts on writing to get back to the idea of coherent, organized presentation. I love a good discussion, but there's nothing here to get a handle on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post

    Your own comments ramble incoherently, so it's hard to figure out what you are trying to say (how are reversing magnetic fields, turning corners and Biblical predictions of the death of a third of the people related to each other?). Civilizations rise and fall, but humans as a species do not revert to "primitive" in the process, though certain limited groups may take losses in their standard of living.

    Sorry, I just tried to read this through again to see if I was missing something, and it's nothing more than meaningless rambling. I'm not sure it makes it even to the level of word salad. You may want to take a look at some texts on writing to get back to the idea of coherent, organized presentation. I love a good discussion, but there's nothing here to get a handle on.
    I have to agree here. I read the OP three times, and I have no clue on what is being presented. You cover so much ground in such a random fashion, it's impossible to decipher what the main premise is.

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    Michael, where did Einstein say that wormholes were the predominant formation?

    This is a direct question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    For those who have read my previous posts I am looking for discussion and as to consciousness there is medical evidence that neurological pairing is observed between rowers and spectators. The same areas of the brain about 1000 neurons are active and synchronous as measured.
    They're called "mirror neurones". There's a lot of interesting science associated with mirror neurone activity, but no mysterious connection between the minds of the active participants and the observers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis View Post
    Michael, where did Einstein say that wormholes were the predominant formation?

    This is a direct question?
    In 1916 after the Swartszchild solution to the first Einstein equation indicated an infinite boundary and became the first black hole solution it is reported that Einstein was not happy with the solution. Second in 1939 when Einstein and Bose reworked the metric to show that a worm hole is also an acceptable solution to the equations of general relativity.

    Unfortunately both times coincide with some of the most difficult periods in world history. Even now I question the value of presenting an option for access to all periods of time. Perhaps I need not worry because if the shape of space takes a major deformation due to passage it will become obvious.

    The only new piece of information presented is Boskop Man. The rest has been covered in prior postings. As a new idea requires predictive qualities the early movers should be increasing variable angle to Virgo cluster of galaxies and M77 relative to us. The other would be the critical mass required for nuclear weaponry should reduce over time with the reduction tending to exponential. Currently known programs are being made smaller with the excuse given as 'fogbank'. But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product seems a bit odd as CFC's are basically low mass elements.

    Call it whatever but I find that a cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance a bit lame no matter how space age the stuff is. The second use for frozen smoke is removing caffeine from coffee. At least it shows the stuff is capable of producing one fake.

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    The link is a personal retrospective, somewhat poetic, of the writer and his relationship with the Boskop. It could have been titled Baby Face.

    I may have missed something, but what is the correlation to the link and your post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    The link is a personal retrospective, somewhat poetic, of the writer and his relationship with the Boskop. It could have been titled Baby Face.

    I may have missed something, but what is the correlation to the link and your post?

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    I am attempting to show that we are part of a connected universe. That E=mc^2 is the upper bound of energy available not the base energy. Meaning that E=mc^2 - 1/2mv is generation of energy from within causes deformation in the curvature of space and time.

    So in a time of T-symmetry reversal there is a defined path and continuity and relatively stability of matter especially light elements. In such a change there would be electrical interference and confusion. If a society was totally unprepared then rebuilding and retooling might collapse more than just a civilization it might cause a setback to an entire species.

    If we were to leave the earth there would be little to show we were ever here in as little as a thousand years. Hoover dam and the Great wall and images on Mt Rushmore according to one BBC documentary from us and the pyramids from past times. The description of time is more ancient than science from pre-Victorian times.

    If there is no new thinking then it is just like a pond, stagnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    I am attempting to show that we are part of a connected universe. That E=mc^2 is the upper bound of energy available not the base energy. Meaning that E=mc^2 - 1/2mv is generation of energy from within causes deformation in the curvature of space and time.
    A connective universe via worm holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    So in a time of T-symmetry reversal there is a defined path and continuity and relatively stability of matter especially light elements.
    Within the worm hole and/or passage to the reverse (?) universe.

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    In such a change there would be electrical interference and confusion.
    It seems you are describing a pole shift.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    If a society was totally unprepared then rebuilding and retooling might collapse more than just a civilization it might cause a setback to an entire species.
    Are you relating this to 2012, or just any date in general? Are you saying by "ignoring" even the possibility we will be left unprepared?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    If we were to leave the earth there would be little to show we were ever here in as little as a thousand years. Hoover dam and the Great wall and images on Mt Rushmore according to one BBC documentary from us and the pyramids from past times. The description of time is more ancient than science from pre-Victorian times.

    If there is no new thinking then it is just like a pond, stagnation.
    I think there is always new thinking, but you can't put the cart before the horse. Scientist are systematically accessing data (even as we write) on the road to discovery. If we are too late than we are too late.

    Am I even close to what you are thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    A connective universe via worm holes.
    I believe it is a possibility. If all the wormholes were connected so there are no openings then everything is contained within like currents in an ocean. Point of reality is a node meaning a right angle connection at the atom. Some straight lines and some highly curved to reflect connection within the galaxy. Large pendulums align the plane of the planets in the solar system with the other stars, an interesting point in connectivity.

    Within the worm hole and/or passage to the reverse (?) universe.
    I believe there it is possible that the opposite arm of our Milky Way could be antimatter and have a charge attraction. It is measured as the great attractor arm because it is seven time more gravitationally bound to our arm than those either side.

    It seems you are describing a pole shift.



    Are you relating this to 2012, or just any date in general? Are you saying by "ignoring" even the possibility we will be left unprepared?
    I am saying that at some point magnetic (not angular) pole shift should be considered in conjunction with observations in the change of critical mass materials and astronomically through accelerating angular deviation in M87 and M77.

    Pole shift and age of Aquarius is problematic because the start of the age is standardized now at 2600 from various sources ranging from 1493 to beyond 3000. For starters was the standardized date chosen correctly? It would be a shame to find out by accident.

    I think there is always new thinking, but you can't put the cart before the horse. Scientist are systematically accessing data (even as we write) on the road to discovery. If we are too late than we are too late.

    Am I even close to what you are thinking?

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    You are spot on (or at least very close if not spot on). Actually the number of theories including relativity, quantum, electric and magnetic universe, gaia and pans permia and a somewhat unquestioned religious rigidity in what time must be means I would be very surprised if the cart wasn't already before the horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Even now I question the value of presenting an option for access to all periods of time. Perhaps I need not worry because if the shape of space takes a major deformation due to passage it will become obvious.
    What do you mean by access to all periods of time? What are you talking about when you talk about major deformation in the shape of space? What will become obvious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    The only new piece of information presented is Boskop Man. The rest has been covered in prior postings.
    What information have you presented about Boskop man, and what does it have to do with anything else you've said? Loren Eiseley's meanderings on that subject are largely nonsense--poetic or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    As a new idea requires predictive qualities the early movers should be increasing variable angle to Virgo cluster of galaxies and M77 relative to us.
    I can't even come up with a question for this. Variable angle to Virgo cluster...etc.? This is a gibberish sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    The other would be the critical mass required for nuclear weaponry should reduce over time with the reduction tending to exponential. Currently known programs are being made smaller with the excuse given as 'fogbank'. But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product seems a bit odd as CFC's are basically low mass elements.
    Haven't a clue what you are talking about here. More rambling through random disconnects.

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    Call it whatever but I find that a cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance a bit lame no matter how space age the stuff is. The second use for frozen smoke is removing caffeine from coffee. At least it shows the stuff is capable of producing one fake.
    And more. Cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance? Frozen smoke? The connections you make between subject and object in your sentences are almost surreal in their meaninglessness. I'm open to clarification, but please do it in coherent and grammatically intelligible sentences. That means proof read before you submit, for one thing.

    I have to say the whole thing reminds me somewhat of a party game that used to be popular, wherein a player was asked for nouns, verbs, and adjectives in a particular order, which answers were then inserted into blanks in a pre-written script. The words being essentially random, the product was often hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Even now I question the value of presenting an option for access to all periods of time. Perhaps I need not worry because if the shape of space takes a major deformation due to passage it will become obvious.
    What do you mean by access to all periods of time? What are you talking about when you talk about major deformation in the shape of space? What will become obvious?
    If space curvature is in higher dimensions then it is connected and as space stretches so does time. As space bends through dimension the arrow of time changes direction and reality requires a time of re-adjustment to the new direction of forward.

    What information have you presented about Boskop man, and what does it have to do with anything else you've said? Loren Eiseley's meanderings on that subject are largely nonsense--poetic or not.
    Very little info re Boskop man other than his similarity to us. It is easier if one considers what we as a people were 300 years back. No cars or planes or electricity and just starting into the industrial age. Perhaps we forget how small and insignificant we are in the universe and have an inflated opinion of our importance, it can happen.

    I have to say the whole thing reminds me somewhat of a party game that used to be popular, wherein a player was asked for nouns, verbs, and adjectives in a particular order, which answers were then inserted into blanks in a pre-written script. The words being essentially random, the product was often hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    If space curvature is in higher dimensions then it is connected and as space stretches so does time. As space bends through dimension the arrow of time changes direction and reality requires a time of re-adjustment to the new direction of forward.
    Are you offering a hypothesis? If so, what support do you offer for the idea? Why do you think space bends through other dimensions, and how does that have anything to do with the arrow of time? What does a "new direction of forward" in time mean? Nothing is explained coherently. All word salad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Very little info re Boskop man other than his similarity to us. It is easier if one considers what we as a people were 300 years back. No cars or planes or electricity and just starting into the industrial age. Perhaps we forget how small and insignificant we are in the universe and have an inflated opinion of our importance, it can happen.
    We were not a different species 300 years back, nor were we morphologically different, so it's not clear what you are getting at here, nor how it relates to Boskop man, or, for that matter, what Boskop man has to do with anything. Last sentence: What can happen? What is "it"? That's what I mean by incoherence: indefinite articles not connected to a specific idea, undefined terms, and so on. Instead of "it," spell out what "it" refers to. What does an inflated sense of self-importance have to do with anything else you've said? How does that have anything to do with the world 300 years ago, with Boskop man, or with space bending through higher dimensions? The text flits about from catch phrase to catch phrase without ever lighting on anything solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    In 1916 after the Swartszchild solution to the first Einstein equation indicated an infinite boundary and became the first black hole solution it is reported that Einstein was not happy with the solution. Second in 1939 when Einstein and Bose reworked the metric to show that a worm hole is also an acceptable solution to the equations of general relativity.

    Unfortunately both times coincide with some of the most difficult periods in world history. Even now I question the value of presenting an option for access to all periods of time. Perhaps I need not worry because if the shape of space takes a major deformation due to passage it will become obvious.

    The only new piece of information presented is Boskop Man. The rest has been covered in prior postings. As a new idea requires predictive qualities the early movers should be increasing variable angle to Virgo cluster of galaxies and M77 relative to us. The other would be the critical mass required for nuclear weaponry should reduce over time with the reduction tending to exponential. Currently known programs are being made smaller with the excuse given as 'fogbank'. But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product seems a bit odd as CFC's are basically low mass elements.

    Call it whatever but I find that a cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance a bit lame no matter how space age the stuff is. The second use for frozen smoke is removing caffeine from coffee. At least it shows the stuff is capable of producing one fake.
    I don't see anything here that suggests that Einstein viewed wormholes as the predominant formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Currently known programs are being made smaller with the excuse given as 'fogbank'. But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product seems a bit odd as CFC's are basically low mass elements.

    Call it whatever but I find that a cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance a bit lame no matter how space age the stuff is. The second use for frozen smoke is removing caffeine from coffee. At least it shows the stuff is capable of producing one fake.


    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    And more. Cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance? Frozen smoke?

    Fogbank is the nickname of an aerogel used in the W76 warhead . (bold terms for searching)

    Aerogels are not new, but are created using supercritical fluids. (in this case alcohol)

    Supercritical fluid carbon dioxide is used to decaffeinate coffee.

    Removing caffeine constitutes cleaning.

    Dissociation indeed !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    I have to say the whole thing reminds me somewhat of a party game that used to be popular, wherein a player was asked for nouns, verbs, and adjectives in a particular order, which answers were then inserted into blanks in a pre-written script. The words being essentially random, the product was often hilarious.
    Ah, Mad Libs. I got my daughter some for Christmas this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G O R T View Post
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    Currently known programs are being made smaller with the excuse given as 'fogbank'. But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product seems a bit odd as CFC's are basically low mass elements.

    Call it whatever but I find that a cleaning product as an excuse for nuclear variance a bit lame no matter how space age the stuff is. The second use for frozen smoke is removing caffeine from coffee. At least it shows the stuff is capable of producing one fake.
    Quote Originally Posted by G O R T View Post
    Fogbank is the nickname of an aerogel used in the W76 warhead . (bold terms for searching)

    Aerogels are not new, but are created using supercritical fluids. (in this case alcohol)

    Supercritical fluid carbon dioxide is used to decaffeinate coffee.

    Removing caffeine constitutes cleaning.

    Dissociation indeed !!!
    And aerogels have what to do with "frozen smoke" and CFC's? Super fluid carbon dioxide has what to do with "frozen smoke" and CFC's? Sorry, but dissociation it is. I stand by my original comments. If the OP has to make up his own terminology then he's not communicating. As for searching his terms, it's not up to me to pick out what's made up and what's real, or search out the terminology elsewhere. The definitions belong with the exposition of the idea. I stand behind "incoherent" as a good description of his writing.
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    Let's add to previous...how is a cleaning product being used as an excuse for nuclear variance, and does the claim hold water? What nuclear variance is he talking about? And the previous sentence, tying frozen smoke, cleaning products, CFC's, and low mass elements together, isn't all that far removed from "It was brillig, and the slithy toves...." Is there a real idea buried in there somewhere, or it it just "frozen smoke"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren View Post
    Ah, Mad Libs. I got my daughter some for Christmas this year.
    Yes, thank you. Couldnt' remember what it was called, but glad it's still around.

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    Michael Noonan if you cannot explain and defend your ATM theory in a coherent manner, then I wil consider it unsupported and close this thread. If your theory is so novel that you must coin new terms, you need to define them here. The answers you give must be relevant to the questions asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    And aerogels have what to do with "frozen smoke" and CFC's? Super fluid carbon dioxide has what to do with "frozen smoke" and CFC's?
    Aerogels are occasionally called frozen smoke. CFCs...well, CO2 is a possible replacement. But even assuming that line of thought, "But frozen smoke production as a cleaning product" is still incorrect, because they're produced *with* something used as a "cleaning product". And "CFC's are basically low mass elements." is just incorrect all around. They're not elements and they're not low mass.


    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    Sorry, but dissociation it is. I stand by my original comments. If the OP has to make up his own terminology then he's not communicating. As for searching his terms, it's not up to me to pick out what's made up and what's real, or search out the terminology elsewhere. The definitions belong with the exposition of the idea. I stand behind "incoherent" as a good description of his writing.
    No argument there.

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    I wasn't aware of the use of the term "frozen smoke" for aerogels. Point taken. But no absolution for the OP for leaving terms undefined, for making faulty factual connections, or for flitting from thought to thought without ever getting around to solid, coherent presentation of an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    I believe it is a possibility. If all the wormholes were connected so there are no openings then everything is contained within like currents in an ocean.
    A folded universe. I don't think that is new thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Point of reality is a node meaning a right angle connection at the atom. Some straight lines and some highly curved to reflect connection within the galaxy.
    So that is what you are considering our reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Large pendulums align the plane of the planets in the solar system with the other stars, an interesting point in connectivity.
    I don't think you mean this literally. You are making your point that the universe is running like a clock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    I believe there it is possible that the opposite arm of our Milky Way could be antimatter and have a charge attraction.
    A magnetic attraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    It is measured as the great attractor arm because it is seven time more gravitationally bound to our arm than those either side.
    ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    I am saying that at some point magnetic (not angular) pole shift should be considered in conjunction with observations in the change of critical mass materials and astronomically through accelerating angular deviation in M87 and M77.
    You think there has been a reduction in mass, or has there been a reduction?


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    Pole shift and age of Aquarius is problematic because the start of the age is standardized now at 2600 from various sources ranging from 1493 to beyond 3000. For starters was the standardized date chosen correctly?
    Even if it wasn't, it really has no impact, unless you are speaking in a Biblical sense. Even in that sense, there isn't a difinitive time frame. Unless others are privy to information that most of us are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    It would be a shame to find out by accident.
    By accident you mean literally a castastrophic event.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Noonan View Post
    You are spot on (or at least very close if not spot on). Actually the number of theories including relativity, quantum, electric and magnetic universe, gaia and pans permia and a somewhat unquestioned religious rigidity in what time must be means I would be very surprised if the cart wasn't already before the horse.
    But why concern ourselves with this, you fear that we may end up like the Boskop. What do you propose we do? Would you like to see more study on this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    I believe it is a possibility. If all the wormholes were connected so there are no openings then everything is contained within like currents in an ocean.
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    A folded universe. I don't think that is new thinking.
    Assuming the existence of wormholes, if all were connected without openings (presumably within this Universe), then the system of wormholes would be a closed system existing outside of this Universe in the sense that there would be no access to them; therefore they would have no meaning to this Universe. They are wormholes precisely because they have openings, so claiming a closed system has nothing to do with a folded Universe. The OP's statement is nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    Point of reality is a node meaning a right angle connection at the atom. Some straight lines and some highly curved to reflect connection within the galaxy.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    So that is what you are considering our reality.
    This one is pure nonsense. Connection of what to what? Straight lines of what to what?

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    Large pendulums align the plane of the planets in the solar system with the other stars, an interesting point in connectivity.
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    I don't think you mean this literally. You are making your point that the universe is running like a clock.
    I don't see anything that makes sense in this, so connecting it to a clockwork Universe is a stretch. Aside from the "large pendulums", how is the plane of the ecliptic aligned with the stars, and which stars? What about all the billions that form a visible dome (I include telescopically visible) above and below the plane? Or hasn't he noticed those? More nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    I believe there it is possible that the opposite arm of our Milky Way could be antimatter and have a charge attraction.
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    A magnetic attraction.
    What evidence does he offer? Wouldn't we see some energy emissions at the boundary between the matter and antimatter sides? Even empty space is not totally empty, so there should be some matter/antimatter interactions. And where is the boundary? At the galactic core? Or is there some kind of shoulder that separates the antimatter arm from the rest of the galaxy? Nothing plausible here.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    It is measured as the great attractor arm because it is seven time more gravitationally bound to our arm than those either side.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    ?
    And rightly questioned. The great attractor is an extremely distant region in space toward which all of the galaxies in the local cluster are rushing. It has nothing to do with one arm or another of this galaxy. The rest of the statement is the perfect definition of nonsensical word salad. "Seven times more gravitationally bound"? Measured by whom and how? What does that even mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    I am saying that at some point magnetic (not angular) pole shift should be considered in conjunction with observations in the change of critical mass materials and astronomically through accelerating angular deviation in M87 and M77.
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    You think there has been a reduction in mass, or has there been a reduction?
    What change in critical mass materials? And how does our magnetic pole have anything to do with an accelerating angular deviation in M87 and M77 (if such can even be measured). This isn't an astrology board (and I'm not sure that would make sense even to an astrologer).

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    Pole shift and age of Aquarius is problematic because the start of the age is standardized now at 2600 from various sources ranging from 1493 to beyond 3000. For starters was the standardized date chosen correctly?
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Even if it wasn't, it really has no impact, unless you are speaking in a Biblical sense. Even in that sense, there isn't a difinitive time frame. Unless others are privy to information that most of us are not.
    Ditto my astrology comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    It would be a shame to find out by accident.

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    By accident you mean literally a castastrophic event.
    Find out what by accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
    You are spot on (or at least very close if not spot on). Actually the number of theories including relativity, quantum, electric and magnetic universe, gaia and pans permia and a somewhat unquestioned religious rigidity in what time must be means I would be very surprised if the cart wasn't already before the horse.
    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    But why concern ourselves with this, you fear that we may end up like the Boskop. What do you propose we do? Would you like to see more study on this?
    "...Unquestioned religious rigidity in what time must be"? Explain. Lumping electric and magnetic Universe, Gaia, and pan spermia together together with relativity and quantum theory as equally valid "theories", as well as the astrological comments, all tell me more about the sources of Michael's reasoning processes than any further explanation might. And what is "Cart before the horse" supposed to mean in this context? You've made an effort to translate the untranslatable, so my hat's off to you, but he still has many questions to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    "...Unquestioned religious rigidity in what time must be"? Explain.
    I can't speak for Michael, but I think he is referring to omnipresence.


    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    And what is "Cart before the horse" supposed to mean in this context?
    The universe is in constant study, there are many things not understood, if mainstream science concludes that there are worm holes, fine, but evidence would have to lead scientist to that conclusion.


    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    You've made an effort to translate the untranslatable, so my hat's off to you.
    Mine to you as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorkil2 View Post
    but he still has many questions to answer.
    Yes he does, but will we be able or willing to translate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megrfl View Post
    I can't speak for Michael, but I think he is referring to omnipresence.

    Sorry, I was a bit careless in directing my comments. Most were directed at him, though indirectly via the answer to your post. Others to you. I tried to make the distinction, but was unclear in this case. This is one I think he should answer. I didn't get omnipresence out of it, but I'm not getting much of anything out of what he says, so that's as good a guess as any. Unfortunately, as this is no more a board about religion than it is about astrology, a religious argument for an idea would be out of place.

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