Limits of spaces

[chriscurtis]

Hi there, I still haven't given up and finally I have some simple observations to back up the theory I'm working on.

Numbers follow next:

The Union of Space and Time

It can be shown that the Sun and Earth follow a special direction through space over time called a helix and that space is limited in two directions. One limited direction is the sun and the other direction is towards the edge of the solar system (away from the sun).

At the boundary of the solar system, any mass or light travelling in that direction will follow a curved path back towards the sun.

The affect is that the brightest stars in the night sky are the most recent reflections of the light from the Sun reflected back from this boundary. By a simple scale correction, it can be shown that our concept of scale over large distance is flawed. General Relativity remains correct when applied in this way though simplifications arise due to the direction the sun and earth travel with respect to the solar system edge.

The other results of this work seem to offer a perfectly simple explanation to the Pioneer Anomaly, dark matter, dark energy, missing antimatter and comets using nothing more than existing observations and conservation principles.

These are some of the predictions so far, if this is correct.

Comets

A flare from the sun forms rocky and frozen water as it cools away from the sun, these then appear to come back towards the sun after following a curved path around the edge of the solar system.

Mass

Rest mass is gained by particles rotating in 3D at near c (speed of light) as they “chase” the sun through space. Photons are mostly traveling “away” from this one direction (axis) and so appear to have no rest mass. The closer to c particles rotate (closer to the axis of the Sun's direction through space over time), the higher the rest mass.

Dark Matter

Since the Solar System is the limit for space, Dark Matter is simply a misunderstanding of general relativity and observations of reflected light and our movement in space relative to that reflected light.

Dark Energy

As light reflects across the solar system boundary time and time again, it appears stretched by our movement with respect to that light. This should be slightly as a partial quantization since the reflections occur just over 72 days apart (the Solar System appears to have averarge diameter of 72 light days)

Hubble Constant

The Hubble Constant is simply related to the size of the solar system which is calculated as 72 light days across.

Quark confinement

Quarks are the result of the reflection of space on the smallest scale. Quarks are a result of reflection across the mass barrier and explains why quarks are confined. They simply do not exist as anything more than a reflection in three directions as particles rotate through space in 3D at near c.

Missing Antimatter

The particles with rest mass rotate through 3D space and so exist as themselves in our direction of time and space with a perfectly symmetrical partner moving the other way through time and rotated through 360 which is actually half a turn. This demonstrates the true meaning of CPT invariance. This other direction gives all the right handed chiral particles that match ours but since CPT invariance does not distinguish them, they appear the same. The left handed particles are one side of the space/time barrier and the right handed particles are the other side of this surface. They are partners that represent the “edge of the moment” with each acting as the other partner through time doing one 360 rotation twice to form an indivisible unit of time (1/2c).

Particle Types

Apart from strange behavior as these particles are accelerated closer to c, there are only protons and electrons existing as particles, which when turned closer and further to and from the axis on which the Sun and Earth travel form, appear as neutrons and neutrinos.

[thorkil2]

What about a third direction from the solar poles? And what boundary? Light from is not pulled back toward the sun unless you want to suggest the sun suffers from an excess of gravity on the order of that of a black hole. Don't think so. Stars are reflections of sunlight? Yep, you're on the right board. That's definitely ATM.

[stutefish]

It can be shown that the Sun and Earth follow a special direction through space over time called a helix and that space is limited in two directions.

Show this, please.

[chriscurtis]

The Sun and the Earth – observations of distance over time

The Earth is observed to have a relationship with the Sun maintaining a distance form the sun that has a maximum and a minimum length. The average of this length is:

149 597 870 691 metres

This value is also called one AU or astronomical unit or AU. It is the radius of the Earth from the sun on average. 2 AU would be the average Diameter of Earth’s orbit.

The ratio of c/dt (which is c/2) and one AU is approximately 998 or the cube of nearly ten.

9.9933 X 9.9933 X 9.9933 = 998

998 is how many seconds on average light takes to get to Earth from the sun. The round trip is then 1996 seconds.

This number is 2^2 X 5^3 – 2

Which is 4 X 125 - 2

or terms of 72

998 = 720 + 3 X 72 + 2 X 31

998 = (13 X 72) + (2X31)



What is 1 AU?

The average distance of Earth from the Sun is 1 AU and is an average of the shortest and longest parts of the orbit which appears elliptical.

152 097 701 000 m is the longest

147 098 074 000 m is the shortest

These distances will be shown to be connected to the Sun’s velocity through space.

Divided by half the speed of light or dc/dt (149 896 229)

152 097 701 000 / 149 896 229 = 1014.6866

147 098 074 000 / 149 896 229 = 981.3327

The ratio of these two is:

152 097 701 000 : 147 098 074 000

Or

If 149 597 870 691 is 1Au

1 Au + 2499830309 : 1 Au – 2499796691

The difference between these figures is 0.000013448 percent if added or 4999627000 as the absolute difference which is 373000 short of 5000000000.

For now, we can round to this ratio:

1 Au + 2500000000 : 1 Au – 2500000000

And since 1 Au is

149 597 870 691


Rounding this number 149 597 870 691 to 150 000 000 000 (0.2681 % difference)

0.2681% of 1 AU is the same as travelling at 2/3 c for one second.

150 000 000 000 is equal to 60 X 2500000000

So, the Earth moves in an orbit that varies by an exact one sixtieth of the mean distance closer and further from the mean course of one orbit. There are four parts to the orbit. The Earth moves from one sixtieth further out than the mean and then one sixtieth further in than the mean for the first half of the orbit and then again for the second half of the orbit.

Normally with circles or ellipses, you would expect to see Pi involved somewhere but not so far. This can be shown to be the fundamental cause of our misconceptions of scale which affects our understanding of time and space. Changing the way we use units can be shown to dramatically simplify the description of time and space at all scales from the largest to smallest. This becomes a unification of general relativity and quantum mechanics.

The unit that is used in every day life is based on base 10 which means we count from zero to ten adding one each time.

Unfortunately we use the same unit which is 1 to represent the square and cube of the the same unit.

10 is a beast of number to base your units on

10 = 1 + 9

10/9 = 1.11111111111…

1/9 = 0.11111111111

10 = 3 + 7

3/7 = blah

etc

The ratio of base 10 to a circle with radius 10 seems at first to be the irrational number Pi.

2 X Pi X R = Circumference of circle with radius R

Fixing the unit structure without actually changing it, removes the irrationality of Pi.

Lets suggest we have a circle that measures 720 in circumference. The circumference is 720 and the the radius is given by the common formula.

2 X Pi X r

Pi is measured in irrational units in that 1 X Pi is the number 3.141592… etc

We should not mix these units with our one based units, these different units will need to be substituted. We can use a substitution to find out what Pi is using units based on the one to ten counting system.

The circumference formula for the ratio of a circle to its diameter works for all values of R whether they are Pi based or not. If the circumference is fixed, we can also work out the radius. So, if the circumference is fixed at 720 then the Radius is calculated:

2 X Pi X R = 720

2Pi = 720/R

This version of the formula of Pi states that any circle’s ratio of circumference to diameter is two Pi units and will always equal 720 divided by the radius R regardless of which unit is used for R. If R is a Pi based unit then r is 2Pi and the units cancel. If R is a one based unit based on multiples of 360, then 2Pi equals 720.

This can be rewritten as:

1 X Pi = 720/2 X 1/2r

Multiplying both sides by 2.

2 X Pi = 720 X 1/R

There is one set of undecided units and two known units here.

R is the circle radius and can be any type of unit.

LHS = 2 X Pi

The left hand side has 2 lots of “one” units multiplied by “one” unit of Pi units.

RHS 720 X 1/R

The right hand side has 720 units of “one” unit multiplied by the reciprocal (one divided by something) of either kind of unit.

By substituting R for a unit measured in Pi, the equation for Pi can be derived.

Set

R = 360/Pi

Then this formula

2 X Pi = 720 X 1/R

Becomes

2 X Pi = (720 X Pi)/360

Which can be rearranged to separate the units.

2 X Pi = 720/360 Pi

And is the same as:

2 X Pi = (9 X 8 X 10)/(9 X 4 X 10) X Pi

2 X Pi = (9 X 8)/(9 X 4) X Pi


This says that the square (area) of the circle is related to the radius in a square relationship that also involves the cube since it involves ratios of cubes and squares.

3 squared is 9, and 2 squared is 4, 2 cubed is 8 and the squares form this relation...4/3 which is 3.111..

This is essentially saying that as numbers are scaled up, the units should increase in the same scale to maintain easy numbers.

What this actually means is that doubling a unit size is the same as squaring that unit at the UNIT level. Adding a half unit (1+2=3) should lead to square that is 4.5 times the unit or 9 cubing it doubles that. That is why you can square the circle with a unit based on 720 (which contains the factors 2, 3, 5 and whole numbers of their squares and cubes except five which is a simple fraction) you get good numbers without irrationality.

You end up with a number system that looks like those used in the past for navigation by the stars except the units are doubled.

The prime numbers disappear too since any prime is divisible by itself and 1, these are the only numbers that don’t exist in the 2 based number system. Since any number is now a unit of 720, prime numbers below this can be found by dividing the number into 720 after checking its not divisible by 2, 3 or 5. The result should form a pattern.

[slang]

Is there a bet involved here?

[chriscurtis]

The one sixtieth movement change four times in one orbit is responsible for the extra days in the year.

To show the limit of the solar system in the other direction, you start by assuming it is true.

This demands that the brightest star is then an equal distance from the edge of the solar system to our sun and the nearest reflection of the sun due to the direction the sun is traveling.

Sirius (from wiki) is observed to be 25.4 brighter than the sun, 2.02 the mass and about 8.6 light years.

Assuming Sirius is the reflection of our sun, then it is not 25.4 times brighter. Since light seems to dim with the relation of one divided by distance squared, then Sirius must be some relation to the square of 25.4 which is 645.16. If Sirius is 645.16 times closer, that puts the distance to Sirius at half of 8.6 light years divided by 645.16 which is half of 75 light days which is about 37 light days.

Sirius lies behind the sun (line of sight) for just over 70 days each year. There is a double image too, our sun can also be seen behind and sometimes in front of Sirius as a companion which also scales.

If the premise is true then in symmetrical chunks of about 73 degrees in the sky in the other direction should be another reflection but dimmer as we will currently be moving away or perpendicular to these. These reflections can be seen as Alpha Centuri which again is a system that scales to exactly what we're looking for.

The Pioneer Anomaly is then the Voyager and Pioneer craft turning back towards the sun as the edge of the solar system gets closer.

[chriscurtis]

What about a third direction from the solar poles? And what boundary? Light from is not pulled back toward the sun unless you want to suggest the sun suffers from an excess of gravity on the order of that of a black hole. Don't think so. Stars are reflections of sunlight? Yep, you're on the right board. That's definitely ATM.

I'm saying there are no other stars, they are simply the light from our sun following a geodesic in space over time that eventually passes back past us as the sun "chases its own tail" through a finite and limited space over an infinite time scale.

General Relativity holds within the solar system but our understanding of scale does not. The galactic scale is simply reflections of the sun, so General Relativity only needs to describe our solar system which is does.

Dark matter, dark energy are simply manifestations of change to the reflections of reflections as they stretch due to traveling from one side of the solar system to the next (approx 72 day trip) and back again and again and again. This manifests as the Hubble constant and probably explains why some people think "the expansion of space" is quantized for some light.

[chriscurtis]

Is there a bet involved here?

No.

[chriscurtis]

The CMB becomes nothing more than the black body reflection of the sun. The galactic center is the direction of the past in that the reflections of reflections merge on a horizon.

[chriscurtis]

Another prediction is that our planets can and will eventually be seen around any star, starting with the closest.

We should also be able to hear ourselves from Earth's reflections over a 73 day period by pointing towards a reflection of ourselves. Up until now, this would be recorded as local interference. The experiment should be done with the moon in between us and the radar.

[chriscurtis]

Show this, please.

Was the information above enough?

1. The sun limits the solar system in one direction (the middle)

2. It can be shown that the nearest star is a reflection of ours around a boundary that is about 37 light days away. (the other limit)

3. The spiral movements of our reflections form a double helix that can be seen as reflections that appear to construct a galaxy in the sky over time. (the double helix)

[stutefish]

Was the information above enough?

No, it was not.

Let's try again:

2. It can be shown that the nearest star is a reflection of ours around a boundary that is about 37 light days away. (the other limit)

Please show that this boundary is about 37 light days away.

[chriscurtis]

Canopus is the next brightest star and therefore by the limits imposed above must by another reflection.

Canopus is believed to be 310 light years away (+/-20) with a brightness 13600 times that of the Sun.

It is 310/8.6 times further away than Sirius = 36

This is also about the number of light days to Sirius.

Sirius had a brightness increase of 25.4 times the sun.

Canopus has an estimated brightness of 13600 times the sun.

If 25.4 times the brightness for Sirius is due to 8.6 light years being scaled from about 36 light days away then:

( 8.6 X 365 ) / 36 = 87.2

13600 brightness is scaled for Canopus against its distance of 310 then to also turn into light days and divide by 36

(310 X 365) / 36 = 3143

3143 / 87.2 = 36

[Nowhere Man]

You're making about as much sense as Gene Ray (the Time Cube guy), but without the bombast and vitriol.

Fred

[chriscurtis]

The two brightest stars exactly scale so that light would curve back round from the sun if the solar system is bounded by a limit in curved space at 36 light days in all directions (give or take whatever is the result of our speed through this space relative to it). The sun is one limit, the edge of the solar system is the other limit. This has been shown from two points that are separate in the sky from the sun represented by Sirius and Canopus, the two brightest stars in the sky.

[chriscurtis]

You're making about as much sense as Gene Ray (the Time Cube guy), but without the bombast and vitriol.

Fred

Of course this is possible but you make absolutely NO rebuttal of the actual observations which can be found on many astronomy sites.

Surely you understand the inverse square rule of distance and how to scale?

Don't bother replying unless there is at least some substance to your rebuttal. Otherwise you waste everyone's time with this smugness that contains no information.

[captain swoop]

OK so what are the 'simple observations' ?

It seems you are just making up a bunch of stuff as you go along.

[chriscurtis]

OK so what are the 'simple observations' ?

It seems you are just making up a bunch of stuff as you go along.

The simple observations are:

The two brightest stars in the sky are Sirius and Canopus.

The distances to these stars are estimated to be 8.6 light years and 310 light years.

The brightnesses of these stars are (in units of our sun's brightness) 25.4 and 13600 respectively.

These are the simple observations.

All I've done is say if light is curved back into the solar system (same mechanism as the Pioneer Anomaly) then the solar system may be limited by 36 lights days from us in every direction.

If true, this forces the prediction that the two brightest stars should be the nearest reflections of the sun. Scaling those observations above by assuming that the mechanism of measurement didn't take this reflection into account, the numbers match perfectly with the prediction despite each star at first appearing to be wildly different to start off with and each star being in different directions in the sky.

[chriscurtis]

The next brightest star Alpha Centaur i has been estimated to have half the mass of Sirius and be twice as close. What are the odds? This is an exact match as well.

A couple of thousand years ago Sirius (the brightest star in the East) also used to line up quite nicely with Orions Belt (called the Three Kings) which if you followed them, would point towards where the Sun rose on the morning three days after the winter equinox in the Northern hemisphere on December 25th. It would seem our ancestors knew a bit about this and created a mythology around it.

[chriscurtis]

If this is true, then it is likely that the constellations in the sky show our cyclical path through space and time. The precession of the equinoxes bring about predictions of certain events. This precession happens every couple of thousand years and brings fear of the apocalypse. The natural explanation is that when the sun reaches one particular solar maximum (like in the last few years) every 2000 years or so, the flares it produces are launched across the solar system. These then freeze, gravitationally attract and eventually turn round towards the sun as comets or asteroids after getting closer to the edge of the solar system.

A MASSIVE solar flare is then likely to have produced the Shoemaker Levy comet that slammed into Jupiter.

Any larges solar flares pointed in a certain direction from the sun will then make the round trip back to Earth and slam into us.

I'll put good money on that being the Dinosaurs' fate, the fate of the Mayans, the cause of "Noah's Flood", the exodus from Egypt and more. It seems some religious institutions have known about these cycles for a long time and used them to put the fear of God into people for control.

If the mechanics of the solar system work like this, then it is very likely that eclipses can be used to determine the cyclical nature of these events. The voodoo and scary stuff may actually have some mechanical basis in nature after all.

[Hornblower]

Threads like this one are a pretty good antidote for insomnia.

[Jens]

It's an interesting thought. So according to your theory, what are we seeing when we see galaxies? Or nebulae? Or star clusters? And what about pulsars? And why do some stars seem to be variable?

[Nowhere Man]

I'm not the first person to post something to this thread that contains no information at all. All chris has posted are some very big

if if if

statements.

Fred

[Van Rijn]

For those who didn't see it, chriscurtis is taking a little break for a rather political suggestion (I saw the post before it went away):

http://www.bautforum.com/1338193-post454.html

[thorkil2]

I hope the banned label is not current or permanent. This guy is simply too entertaining to throw out. I submit that this thread and the others are suitable for combination with the moon man thread for a publication to be called something like "Best of BAUT: Against the Mainstream". It's best seller material. And while I support the rules, I can see a place for ban-proofing consistent and exceptional bizarreness.

[Nowhere Man]

The banning is current (as I type) but not permanent (only a week). But he's not banned because of his oddball science ideas. In other posts, he's getting too political for the limits of the board.

I find his persistent willful ignorance more annoying than amusing, so I'm going to ignore him from now on.

Fred

[Fortis]

The banning is current (as I type) but not permanent (only a week). But he's not banned because of his oddball science ideas. In other posts, he's getting too political for the limits of the board.

I find his persistent willful ignorance more annoying than amusing, so I'm going to ignore him from now on.

Fred

Best idea.

[stutefish]

The simple observations are:

The two brightest stars in the sky are Sirius and Canopus.

The distances to these stars are estimated to be 8.6 light years and 310 light years.

The brightnesses of these stars are (in units of our sun's brightness) 25.4 and 13600 respectively.

If both of these "stars" are actually just reflections of sunlight, why are they so much brighter than the sun, and why are their brightnesses so much different from each other?

Shouldn't they both be the same brightness, and probably less bright than the sun, since they're both reflections of the same sun, off the same mirror?

All I've done is say if light is curved back into the solar system (same mechanism as the Pioneer Anomaly) then the solar system may be limited by 36 lights days from us in every direction.

Please describe, in detail, the mechanism of the Pioneer Anomaly.

If true, this forces the prediction that the two brightest stars should be the nearest reflections of the sun.

Why are some reflections nearer than others?

[Fortis]

If both of these "stars" are actually just reflections of sunlight, why are they so much brighter than the sun, and why are their brightnesses so much different from each other?

Shouldn't they both be the same brightness, and probably less bright than the sun, since they're both reflections of the same sun, off the same mirror

Oddly. Chriscurtis isn't the only one to come up with this one. A few years ago I was discussing Olbers paradox with a couple of architects. When asked why the sky was dark at night the response was, "It's obvious, the stars only shine by reflected sunshine..."