in my view, quasars are stars with a big cloud of electrons around them that cause them to have an intrinsic red shift from the compton effect. This is just like the sun which has a red shift that correlates to the number of electrons along the line of sight. Thus, the solar red shift is bigger at the edge and smaller at the center. Now we see that quasars can be in pairs just like binary stars.
Once you guys agree that quasars can have intrinsic red shifts and that the Compton effect causes a red shift, then maybe you'll begin to see how the cosmological red shift is Compton and the big bang is wrong.
Arp's book "Seeing Red" disputes the idea that quasars are the products of gravitational lensing.
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