Mmmm...meat good

[PetersCreek]

I'd read long ago that the infusion of meat into our ancestors' diet is thought to be responsible for increasing brain size. But now, it could be that cooking our meat may have led to increased intelligence.

Take that you pesky vegans! If you'd had your way, we'd still be tree-dwellers!*


*Okay, okay...I don't really have anything against vegetarianism...just the fanatical vegans who want to convert the world and froth at the mouth against us meat murderers. So I poke fun...a lot.

[Neverfly]

*Okay, okay...I don't really have anything against vegetarianism...just the fanatical vegans who want to convert the world and froth at the mouth against us meat murderers. So I poke fun...a lot.

At least animals have the chance to defend themselves.

Vegetarians attack innocent and harmless plants, murdering them without a sense of shame when they couldn't even flee or fight back...

[Abbadon_2008]

Omnivores rule! Herbivores GET ruled!

[Chuck]

We have a deal with our livestock. We feed them when they're young, they feed us when they're old.

[Ronald Brak]

This is a link to a PDF, it's not huge, but be warned.

http://www.control.com.au/bi2007/2810Brook.pdf

The article is about how Australian cattle and sheep contribute to the greenhouse effect, so vegetarians, or at least people who avoid beef and lamb are doing us all a favour.

If you want to help, eat kangaroos. Their meat is very healthy and their digestion doesn't produce methane. Increased demand will encourage Australian farmers to switch from sheep and cattle to maximising the number of roos on their land.

[Neverfly]

The article is about how Australian cattle and sheep contribute to the greenhouse effect, so vegetarians, or at least people who avoid beef and lamb are doing us all a favour.

Not if the vegans fart as much as the cows.

[CodeSlinger]

I don't know why, but broccoli and cauliflower make me fart more than any other foods.

[Kaptain K]

Not if the vegans fart as much as the cows.

They do! At least!

[Neverfly]

ummm
Ok
Back On Topic...!!!


Sorry... my fault.

[nauthiz]

Meat might have been great for our ancestors, but then I imagine there's a good chance we also have ancestors who subsisted entirely on dead trees. In the here and now, though, the science still seems to point toward vegetarians living longer, healthier lives. And vegetarians may have more well-functioning brains, too.

[Neverfly]

Meat might have been great for our ancestors, but then I imagine there's a good chance we also have ancestors who subsisted entirely on dead trees. In the here and now, though, the science still seems to point toward vegetarians living longer, healthier lives. And vegetarians may have more well-functioning brains, too.

whatever.


redmeatwecravesustinenceFOOD!*



*(reference to Twister)

[goatboy]

In 50 years we'll be growing our steaks in labs. Since this meat didn't come from an animal, technically it'd be a vegetarian steak Heck, it'd probably be Halal and Kosher too.

[Neverfly]

In 50 years we'll be growing our steaks in labs. Since this meat didn't come from an animal, technically it'd be a vegetarian steak Heck, it'd probably be Halal and Kosher too.

I prefer to hunt mine down.

[goatboy]

I prefer to hunt mine down.

Vat grown steaks would still need to exercise to stimulate the muscle fiber, otherwise you'd have something like protein applesauce. Perhaps a steak, studded with electrodes, quivering with muscle toning pulses of electricity could be "captured" using traditional hunting methods?

[Neverfly]

Vat grown steaks would still need to exercise to stimulate the muscle fiber, otherwise you'd have something like protein applesauce. Perhaps a steak, studded with electrodes, quivering with muscle toning pulses of electricity could be "captured" using traditional hunting methods?

Nope.

Must Hunt.

Carnivorous Predator.

[mfumbesi]

Neverfly it is hard to please you.
C'mon you can still be the designated "lab hunter".

Meat over the barbecue (braai) is what pleases this omnivore.
Oh I know it is probably not good for me, its probably carcinogenic and all the fat will do me in before my 100th birthday but the taste......

[Ronald Brak]

Humans certainly have a shorter and less robust digestive system than chimps. And our jaws are mega puny in comparison.

[mahesh]

I'd read long ago that the infusion of meat into our ancestors' diet is thought to be responsible for increasing brain size. But now, it could be that cooking our meat may have led to increased intelligence.

Take that you pesky vegans! If you'd had your way, we'd still be tree-dwellers!*


*Okay, okay...I don't really have anything against vegetarianism...just the fanatical vegans who want to convert the world and froth at the mouth against us meat murderers. So I poke fun...a lot.

I don't know how many Jains, there are in the world, they are all strict vegetarians. And some of the kindest people I've come across. Their insight of life is different from yours and mine. Check out Jainism, Brett/PetersCreek.

I know Alaska would be a difficult place for a vegetarian / vegan to live / survive in, but i assure you, there is nothing 'pesky' about them.

Human evolution! One adapts to one's environment and the fittest ... etc. etc.

At least animals have the chance to defend themselves.

Vegetarians attack innocent and harmless plants, murdering them without a sense of shame when they couldn't even flee or fight back...

...my lites...

how, pray, do the animals have a chance to defend themselves?

a homo sapien, shooting off a gun from a distance? where's the equation?

If a human hunter was to hunt an animal, unarmed...i'd rather not go here, right now...

i'll be back shortly....

edit: i'm gonna continue later tonight

[Larry Jacks]

Omnivores rule! Herbivores GET ruled!

There was a line from a famous old sci-fi book (perhaps Larry Niven's "Ringworld") that goes, "How much brains does it take to sneek up on a plant?"

[HenrikOlsen]

I don't know how many Jains, there are in the world, they are all strict vegetarians. And some of the kindest people I've come across. Their insight of life is different from yours and mine. Check out Jainism, Brett/PetersCreek.

My underline.

Jains are definitely not the fanatical vegans PetersCreek was talking about.

[Jason]

If God didn't want us to eat cows He wouldn't have made them taste like steak.

[Neverfly]

If God didn't want us to eat cows He wouldn't have made them taste like steak.

And cover them in meat!


I'm now reminded of the 80's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe movie (with live actors):
Teela: Why did they put the food on these little white sticks?
Duncan: Those are rib bones.

[PetersCreek]

I know Alaska would be a difficult place for a vegetarian / vegan to live / survive in, but i assure you, there is nothing 'pesky' about them.

Let me assure you, vegan zealots who wish to impose their lifestyle on others are most definitely pesky to me. Vegans who presumptuously interrupt my meal to tell me how bad it is for me are most definitely pesky to me. Vegans who pretentiously claim a position of superiority from which they pass judgement on my moral character because I eat meat are most definitely pesky me...to say the least.

So, I poke fun at them...because it's not legal to poke at them with a sharpened stick.

...and one who tries to convince me that the above isn't pesky...that it isn't, irritating, annoying, or bothersome...is working on becoming pesky himself. Now where'd I put that stick?

[Lianachan]

Eat a cow, eat a cow, 'cause it's good for you,
Eat a cow, eat a cow, it's the thing that goes......"Mooooo"

Sums it up nicely.

[PetersCreek]

how, pray, do the animals have a chance to defend themselves?

a homo sapien, shooting off a gun from a distance? where's the equation?

Here we go again with this old saw.

Have you hunted...ever? Shooting a gun from a distance is no guarantee that a hunter will be successful. If it were otherwise, pretty much every hunter would take their quarry, except for the poor marksmen. However, such is not the case. Animals have a variety of defenses that allow them to avoid human predation on a regular basis: exceptional eyesight, hearing, smell, speed, camoflage, terrain, etc. Hunters have to develop skills other than marksmanship. They have to understand their quarry and get close enough to take that shot. Oh, and that distance you were talking about...that distance may be measured in dozens of yards/meters, depending on the game, the terrain, and the weapon.

If a human hunter was to hunt an animal, unarmed...

This is a ludicrous proposition. We humans are evolved to survive by use of our brains and our tools. We don't have claws or fangs, great size, acute noses, or lightning speed. If you wouldn't expect a lion to give up tooth and claw in the hunt, it's mind-numbingly inane to expect a human to do the same thing.

[nauthiz]

Vat grown steaks would still need to exercise to stimulate the muscle fiber, otherwise you'd have something like protein applesauce.

Folks who are growing in vitro meat don't seem to be complaining of that problem. The big texture hurdle is figuring out how to grow muscle tissue along with the matrix of connective tissue that gives it the kind of texture that people like, so right now it's not possible to produce steaks, only ground meat.

[HenrikOlsen]

On the other hand, expecting a human to run an animal tired in the sun so it can be brained with a rock would make sense

[mike alexander]

If you enjoy hunting and don't do it with a cruel frame of mind it's no different than Charlotte in her web (bloodthirsty little booger, she was). Just don't hunt me, please.

Hunting as sport or pastime will get harder and harder as the human polulation spreads over enough area to reduce the interhuman distance to less than the mean free path of a bullet anyhow. Removing other predators will result in what I have now, more deer (rats with antlers, as my son says) than I know what to do with.

[Neverfly]

If you enjoy hunting and don't do it with a cruel frame of mind it's no different than Charlotte in her web (bloodthirsty little booger, she was). Just don't hunt me, please.

Hunting as sport or pastime will get harder and harder as the human polulation spreads over enough area to reduce the interhuman distance to less than the mean free path of a bullet anyhow. Removing other predators will result in what I have now, more deer (rats with antlers, as my son says) than I know what to do with.

Don't remind me. I really try very hard not to think too far into the future...

[mugaliens]

Have you hunted...ever?

Yep.

Hunters have to develop skills other than marksmanship. They have to understand their quarry and get close enough to take that shot. Oh, and that distance you were talking about...that distance may be measured in dozens of yards/meters, depending on the game, the terrain, and the weapon.

On several occasions I've gotten close enough to bean them with a rock. To me, that's the thrill of hunting - getting close enough to have taken them with much more primative means, rather than dropping them at 300 yrds with a high-powered rifle.

We humans are evolved to survive by use of our brains and our tools. We don't have claws or fangs, great size, acute noses, or lightning speed. If you wouldn't expect a lion to give up tooth and claw in the hunt, it's mind-numbingly inane to expect a human to do the same thing.

Agreed. My teeth and fangs are somewhat gray and weigh about 2-1/2 pounds. I keep 'em right behind my eyes.