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    Phoenix provides further evidence that Viking may have missed organics on Mars.

    NASA'S Phoenix Mars Lander Checking Soil Properties.
    "June 07, 2008 The arm of NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander released a handful of clumpy Martian soil onto a screened opening of a laboratory instrument on the spacecraft Friday, but the instrument did not confirm that any of the sample passed through the screen."
    http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/news.php

    This confirms an argument I've been making for years now. That the reason the Viking GCMS failed to detect organics in the Martian soil probably was due to low amounts of sample being delivered to the instrument. The key point is the "sample full" detector for the GCMS at BOTH Viking sites failed to give sample full indications. This is curious because there were similar sample full detectors on the biology experiments that did properly show full samples were delivered. I concluded that the sample full detectors for the GCMS were in fact operating correctly and correctly indicated that only below registering amounts of sample were delivered.
    I copied below a post to sci.astro were I discuss this argument. The Mars Phoenix scientists have given an explanation in the Phoenix case that it might be the clumpiness of the soil that prevents it from passing through the sieving grid. I considered this as the possible reason also in the Viking case but another possibility I think should be investigated using Mars simulant soil is that the extreme low humidity of Mars creates a great amount of static electricity that causes the soil to stick to the sieving grid.
    I've highlighted the most relevant passage in bold.


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    Newsgroups: sci.astro, alt.sci.planetary, rec.arts.sf.science, sci.bio.misc
    From: Robert Clark <rgcl>
    Date: 2000/02/25
    Subject: Odds of Hazard of the Mars Sample Return Mission.

    From the MSNBC Space bbs, http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-
    space/index.asp :


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    Subject: Re: Odds of Hazard (was: Re: Disagree with...
    From: Robert Clark
    Host: isp15a-21.pha.adelphia.net
    Date: Thu Feb 24 12:38:47


    I think the low odds frequently given for the
    likelihood of back contamination of Mars organisms is due
    to the assumption that the likelihood of life on the
    surface of Mars is virtually nonexistent. There are
    reasons to doubt this conclusion. The Antaeus report gave
    some plausible scenarios where life could still exist on
    Mars despite the results of the Viking missions.
    Unfortunately this is no longer available on the
    Astrobiology Web site in the Planetary Protection
    section,
    http://www2.astrobiology.com/astro/protection.html
    Another paper discussing possibilities for life on Mars
    after Viking is by Thomas and Schimel:

    D. J. Thomas and J. P. Schimel, 1991. Mars after the
    Viking missions: is life still possible? Icarus,
    91:199-206,
    http://www.lyon.edu/webdata/users/dt...9-206_1991.pdf

    Also discussed in the Antaeus report are some known
    situations where organisms taken out of their natural
    environment had flourished and out-competed the organisms
    already there. Their conclusion essentially was this was
    not the usual state of affairs but it was known to occur
    on Earth. This was important since I had not seen this
    consideration discussed in any detail in any of the other
    NASA reports on possible back contamination by Mars
    samples. This gave some useful information to address the
    claims frequently made that Mars organisms would be
    unlikely to thrive outside their natural environment.
    It has been also asserted that it is unlikely that Mars
    life and Earth life would even be compatible. However,
    recent research suggests that Earth and Mars as well as
    the other terrestrial planets have been exchanging
    material through impact ejecta throughout the life of the
    solar system. Experiments suggest that some microbes
    would be able to survive the trip through space encased
    in the meteorites. Experiments also show that some very
    hardy Earth microbes should be able to survive on the
    surface of Mars. So it is likely that Earth and Mars have
    exchanged some biological material. Since they have
    exchanged biological material should we be concerned with
    introducing new material? An analogous question to ask is
    since they have exchanged biological material should we
    be concerned with introducing new material with our
    spacecraft we send to Mars? I think most scientists would
    say yes. If we arbitrarily introduced new material to
    Mars we could not determine the extent of naturally
    occurring life we found there at some later time when
    extensive, perhaps human, exploration takes place. Also,
    over millennia the Earth life transferred there may have
    evolved to their new environment to be as well adapted to
    Mars as has life that evolved there independently. In the
    case of possible life already transferred to Earth from
    Mars via meteorites, it is impossible to tell how much
    this life has been damaging to the life present in the
    area in which it arrived. It may be that over time the
    Mars life and Earth life accommodated each other with
    some adaptations to each. Arguing that we need not be
    concerned with introducing new Mars life since it has
    happened before is a little like saying since we have
    introduced new life from one region on Earth to another
    region without deletious effects, we need not be
    concerned with introducing ANY new life from one region
    to another, clearly not a legitimate argument.

    Now in my opinion there are also other reasons to doubt
    the prevailing opinion that the Viking missions detected
    no life on Mars. All three life experiments detected life
    signs on Mars and two of them the Labeled Release and
    Pyrolytic Release experiments also satisfied the
    criterion of getting no life signs after sterilization by
    heating. The third the Gas Exchange experiment is
    frequently said to be incompatible with life since some
    gas was still released after heating to 145 degrees C.
    However, it is usually not mentioned that the amount of
    gas relesed was reduced to 45% after heating and as
    discussed again in the Antaeus report as many as 10%
    of some organisms will survive heating even to 160
    degrees C.
    The primary reason for the conclusion of no life on
    Mars were the results of the Viking GCMS which could
    detect no organics on the surface of Mars. Back in 1976
    this might have seemed a reasonable conclusion to accept.
    However, I believe it no longer is so. Astronomical
    observations show organics to be ubiquitous in the
    universe. They've been found on the Moon, comets,
    meteorites, asteroids, interstellar clouds,
    interplanetary dust grains that fall to Earth (and
    presumably other planets), Titan, Pluto and Charon, and
    the moons of Jupiter, Ganymede and Callisto. These last
    two are important because it shows organics are able to
    survive the intense radiation environment in the vicinity
    of Jupiter. This has relevance to the situation on Mars
    since the UV flux on Mars had been argued to limit the
    possibility of organics on the surface. However, a recent
    paper by Chris Chyba in Nature has argued that radiation
    itself may create organics on the Jovian moon Europa:

    Jovian Radiation Could Heat Up Europan Soup
    http://www.spacedaily.com/spacecast/news/life-00e.html

    It is possible the same mechanism occurs on Mars to
    create organics.
    Since the prevalence of organics in the universe makes
    it quite likely they also occur on Mars, it is my opinion
    that an important fact was left out of the papers
    describing the results of the Viking GCMS. In the first
    report from the GCMS team in Science it is mentioned that
    the sample indicator didn't get a full indication for
    Viking Lander 1,
    "Search for organic and volatile inorganic compounds
    in two surface samples from the Chryse Planitia region of
    Mars", Science, vol. 194, Oct. 1, 1976, p. 72-76.
    This is also discussed in the online history of the
    Viking missions:

    ON MARS
    Exploration of the Red Planet 1958-1978
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...P-4212/on-mars.
    html.

    In Chapter 11 of ON MARS, in the section "Sampling
    the Martian Surface", it states that the Viking 1
    GCMS never got the signal that a sample was actually
    delivered:

    "The first soil samples were acquired on sol 8, 28
    July. Four samples were dug, with the first being
    deposited into the biology instrument distributor
    assembly, the next two into the GCMS processor, and
    the fourth into the funnel of the x-ray fluorescence
    spectrometer. All the commands were successfully
    executed, but there was no positive indication that the
    gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer processor
    had been properly filled. A second acquisition attempt
    still did not provide a "sample level detector `full'
    indication". The sampler system, having completed its
    programmed sequences in a normal manner, parked the boom
    as planned. On Earth, the lander performance specialists
    began to analyze the possible causes of the anomaly: (1)
    insufficient sample acquired in the collector head
    because the same sample collection
    site had also been used for the biology sample; (2)
    insufficient time allowed for the sample to pass from the
    funnel through the sample grinding section and then
    through the fine (300-micrometer) sieve into the metering
    cavity of the instrument; (3) grinder stirring spring not
    contacting the sieve; or (4) sample-level-detector
    circuit faulty. Since the "level-full" detector
    consisted of a very fine wire stretched across the cavity
    to which the sample material was
    delivered, it was also possible that it had broken when
    the soil was dropped into the funnel."
    Ch. 11-5 SCIENCE ON MARS
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...-4212/ch11-5.h
    tml

    It is therefore puzzling to read in the Journal of
    Geophysical Research paper on the GCMS results from
    Viking Lander 2 that there was no sample full sensor:

    "The are two positions to which any of the ovens
    can be moved in any sequence. The load position is
    directly under the sampling system, which delivers about
    1-2 cm^3 of surface material that after having been
    ground is passed through a 0.3 mm sieve. A mechanical
    poker pushes the material through a funnel into the oven.
    This operation is timed in such a manner that the filling
    of the oven is complete with any of the terrestrial test
    soils (including finely ground basalt, commonly referred
    to as 'lunar nominal'). However, there is no sensor
    measuring the final level or completeness of the fulling
    operation. Thus one has to assume that the oven is filled
    to capacity, i.e., approximately 60 mm^3 of surface
    material is being analyzed."
    The Search for Organic Substances and Inorganic Volatile
    Compounds in the Surface of Mars, Jour. Geophys. Res.,
    vol. 82, no. 28, September 30, 1977, p. 4642.

    This paper discusses the GCMS results from both Viking
    landers. The conclusion I draw from this passage is that
    in fact the Viking lander 2 GCMS also never got a sample
    full indication. I discussed this via email with two
    researchers who worked on the Viking missions and their
    view was that since the GCMS did detect water evolved
    during heating this was proof that a sample was
    delivered. However, one does note the JGR paper admits it
    can't be determined the size of this sample. In my
    opinion if was indeed the case that the Viking GCMS never
    got a sample full indication at either of the Viking
    sites for any of the samples drawn by the robot arm, then
    this fact should have been mentioned in the papers
    describing the GCMS results. This gains even more
    significance when you consider that the sample full
    indicator for the biology experiments was virtually
    identical, yet DID receive sample full indications. One
    could argue that it was only coincidence that the sample
    full indicators failed at both Viking sites for the GCMS
    yet worked for the biology experiments or one could
    conclude that in fact the sample full indicators were in
    fact giving a correct reading for the GCMS. In that case
    one would be led to consider what was the difference
    between the sample full indicators for the GCMS and the
    biology experiments. It turns out the only difference was
    that the GCMS had a much smaller sieving grid than did
    the biology experiments because it needed smaller
    samples. The examination of the Viking soil led to new
    (and unexpected) information on the size of soil
    particles, the magnetism of the particles, the
    cohesiveness (stickiness) of the particles, and, one
    could conclude, the static electricity of the particles
    in the dry Martian atmosphere. In my opinion, knowing
    that the Viking GCMS never got sample full indications
    while the biology experiments did, could have led to
    experiments to reproduce the Martian soil using the new
    data returned by Viking to see if in such conditions it
    was possible that only minute samples would be delivered
    to the GCMS.


    Given these facts it is my opinion that more likely than
    not, the Viking missions did indeed discover life on
    Mars. So I would put the probability of life at the
    surface at above 50%. I would also put the likelihood
    that the hardy Martian organisms could survive in the
    Earth environment at above 50%. Following the Antaeus
    report the cases where new introduced organisms
    out-compete native organisms are rare, but do occur. I
    would say the probability of this for Earth organisms is
    certainly greater than one in a million. As a guess I
    would put it at one in 1,000. So the probability that a
    Mars organism introduced could out-compete Earth
    organisms in a region might be one in 4,000. Note that
    this may only result in a change in the dominant
    organisms in an area. It may not be a death of the native
    organisms. Nevertheless, this is not a situation we would
    like to occur inadvertently.


    Bob Clark

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    Here's one report on research on static electricity that might occur in Martian soil:

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    Title: Electrical Properties of Martian Regolith Simulant Particles.
    Authors: Calle, C. I.; Kim, H. S.
    Affiliation: AA(Sweet Briar College), AB(NASA/Kennedy Space Center)
    Journal: American Astronomical Society Meeting #193, #96.07
    Publication Date: 12/1998
    Origin: AAS
    Abstract Copyright: (c) 1998: American Astronomical Society
    Bibliographic Code: 1998AAS...193.9607C

    Abstract
    Hubble Space Telescope observations of Mars from Earth as well as spacecraft
    measurements from orbit around Mars and from the Martian surface itself have
    shown that suspended dust is a significant component of the Martian atmosphere.
    Dust clouds have been observed extending over areas as large as a few million
    square kilometers. Hubble has also photographed planet-wide dust storms lasting
    for over one month. These conditions, coupled with the absence of any
    significant amounts of water in the Martian atmosphere, may create electrostatic
    potentials that could be hazardous for astronauts and equipment in future
    missions. The electrical properties of the Martian soil have been determined
    directly only by radio occultation from spacecraft in orbit about Mars, by
    earth-based radar, and by microwave radiometry. For the present work,
    experiments were designed to determine the electrical properties of a Martian
    regolith simulant prepared from Andesitic rocks by NASA Johnson Space Center
    that has been shown to be a good spectral analog to the soil in the bright
    regions of Mars. The volume electrical conductivity of the simulant was measured
    to be intermediate between that of a good conductor and that of a good
    insulator. Thus, the simulant particles were expected to exhibit fairly high
    surface electrostatic charging and polarizability. Experiments to determine
    polarization and electrostatic charging of the simulant particles under several
    conditions were conducted.
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    IF it is static electricity that is causing the stickiness then to get samples to be delivered to the Mars Phoenix instruments we might try to take the samples when the moisture in the air is highest.
    The Mars MER rovers found there was frost deposited at night that burned off in early morning. This time would likely be when the humidity was highest at those sites.
    The Mars Phoenix site is in a polar region during Martian northern summer where the Sun is always above the horizon so strickly speaking there won't be *night-time* frost deposition. Still there is great air temperature variation from -30C to -80C so there will likely be a diurnal time frame when the frost deposition is highest and also an optimal time frame where this frost will burn off as the temperature rises. Note also that orbital observations show that atmospheric water vapor is highest in the Mars polar regions so such frost deposition at the Phoenix site might be signicantly higher than for the equatorial MER rovers.
    However, it is not certain that static electricity due to low air moisture is the problem here. Conceivably it might be the exact opposite where residual *liquid* water in the soil contributes to the stickiness of the soil. If this is the case then we will actually want to take the samples when the himidity in the air is lowest. Both scenarios should be tried.
    Still another possibility is the magnetite particles that have been seen at the other landing sites is the cause of the stickiness. If this is the case I doubt that humidity variations will have an effect on the stickiness. I don't have a solution in this case. Perhaps experiments with Mars similants containing such magnetic particles would provide a solution about how best to deliver samples to the lander experiments.


    Bob Clark

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    On the possibility that problem of the stickiness of the soil might be due to the magnetic particles, the Phoenix team has done some experiments with Mars soil simulants that contain some proportion of magnetic particles so you would think this problem would have already been seen in these simulations if that were the reason. Perhaps though there was a higher proportion of magnetic particles than expected in the actual Mars soil.
    I did a web search on how you can demagnetize a permanent magnet and found this:

    Magnet.
    5 Magnetization and demagnetization.
    "Permanent magnets can be demagnetized in the following ways:
    Heating a magnet past its Curie point will destroy the long range ordering.
    Contact through stroking one magnet with another in random fashion will demagnetize the magnet being stroked, in some cases; some materials have a very high coercive field and cannot be demagnetized with other permanent magnets.
    Hammering or jarring will destroy the long range ordering within the magnet.
    A magnet being placed in a solenoid which has an alternating current being passed through it will have its long range ordering disrupted, in much the same way that direct current can cause ordering."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet#...emagnetization


    The TEGA instrument will heat the sample to high temperature, but of course this can't be used to remove the magnetization if you can't get the sample to the instrument in the first place.
    The second method of demagnetizing could conceivably work, but I doubt the Phoenix lander has a magnet that could be passed over a soil sample. A variation on this might be to rub and mix around the sample on itself, then the different magnetic orientations on the particles might tend to cancel each other out.
    The third possibility might also be feasible by striking hard on the sample to demagnetize it. The scoop might be used for this purpose. My guess though is that you would have to place the sample on a hard surface to do this. A flat metal surface on the lander would work but there might be a worry that this could jar the landers internal electronics by doing this. Perhaps the sample could be placed on top of a hard rock that the robot arm could reach.
    I don't think the fourth method mentioned of passing an alternating current over the sample is feasible since I doubt the lander has the capability of doing this to a sample that is outside the lander.


    Bob Clark

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    On the possibility that problem of the stickiness of the soil might be due to the magnetic particles [...]
    Eliminated by the sudden and swift success of the TEGA vibrator to deliver soil to the oven on vibration sequence number 7?

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