Results 1 to 24 of 24

Thread: Greed

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    16,686

    Greed

    Two outstanding examples of greed, and also why, if given the choice of watching college sports or MLB and its overpaid, steroid-inflated players and fat cat owners with their luxury boxes, I'll watch college sports.

    Greed One.

    Greed Two.

    Anyone have similar examples?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    8,831
    Hmm, as for one, arenīt you just being a little change-resistant, Mak?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    The Valley of the Sun
    Posts
    6,037
    It's greed that drives the economy. Anyone not wanting to pay so much is just being greedy on a smaller scale.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    733
    Interestingly enough, I don't have an issue with either case.

    1) One must protect one's trademark. A failure to do so makes a defense harder in the future.

    2) The player names and stats, I think, are public info.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    3,283
    I don't see how the big bad meanies in question are supposed to be getting money out of this. If it's not to get money, then it isn't greed.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    It's greed that drives the economy. Anyone not wanting to pay so much is just being greedy on a smaller scale.
    I must admit I like the concept of 'greedy on a smaller scale' as applied to Little League. Especially looking at the lucrative possibilities of T-ball.

    One must protect one's trademark. A failure to do so makes a defense harder in the future.
    One should also have the brains God gave a flatworm to understand blind defense at all costs vs. a loss-leader to protect your franchise base in years to come.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    14,315
    I don't get it... Back in my day, local and larger businesses paid for the uniforms and equipment for the little league teams as a means of advertising. So we'd have names like "Town and Country" (realtor) and "Coca-Cola" as team names.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    Back when I played in Little League (or more precisely, "When Mike was involved, Little League played him!"), teams had names from the major leagues. Granted, when I played there were sixteen teams, but...

    Now, the league could buy paraphernalia through the official (i.e., monopolistic) outlet, Majestic. However, I think they should get the parents to dig a bit deeper into their pockets and devise their own names and logos. I offer:

    Chicago Black Sox

    New York Mutts

    Cleveland First Nations

    San Francisco Steroids

    Philadelphia Cheese Steaks

    Seattle Seamen

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    N.E.Ohio
    Posts
    19,834
    Sorry; but I do agree with MLB, but only up to a point. In this world where you give an inch and somebody takes a mile, stuff like this tends to get out of hand.

    Team logos? I really don't think a little league should use a registered logo.

    Team Names? If they are used, but not in connection with look alike uniforms or colors, then it's really not a deal. Its when they are mimicking the look of the team when I start to think it's being inappropriate.

    Then, you throw in the subject of profit and advertising. At what point is a little league sponsor getting benefit from simple sponsorship compared to how much they may get with the inferred (subliminal, or whatever) relationship to a professional team.

    And the uniform maker. Are they printing them at the design or request of the little league, or are they offering the little league thier options of designs? If it is a "line" of uniforms, then I can see a problem.

    And as far as fantasy football. I draw the line at profits. If the site is making money directly from the stats and personalities, then I do see an issue. If the stats and personalities are only a part of the picture, then it would be fair game.

    So; I don't see a yes/no...just a lot of "let's not get carried away". And that goes for both sides.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    In this world where you give an inch and somebody takes a mile, stuff like this tends to get out of hand.
    Yes, well...

    All I can hear in my mind is Hedley Lamarr: "Trademark infringement... trademark infringement.... Ah! Here it is! Major League Baseball vs. Little League. MLB 7, Little League 0..."

    Give me a break. A sport that has for years given the razzberry to those who pointed out that many 'stars' appeared to be eating mainly from the major food groups (growth hormone, testosterone...), that gets a government-granted monopoly, can get all hoity-toity about this is not worth watching.

    And the lawyers, the damned stupid lawyers will win after all…

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    N.E.Ohio
    Posts
    19,834
    Quote Originally Posted by mike alexander View Post
    Yes, well...
    Well; my post was intended to point out some of the finer points. If this is the straw that broke the camel's back for you, then fine with me.

    I'm not that crazy about the things that professional sports get away with, but this particular situation is the least of it. The use of a logo or registered trademark should not depend on the type of organization involved.

    And; just so you don't think that I'm defending them, I'd also like to add that these leagues (many sports) that hold hostage over a community to get something for nothing (namely stadiums) is one of my biggest beefs.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    353
    Quote Originally Posted by mike alexander View Post
    All I can hear in my mind is Hedley Lamarr: "Trademark infringement... trademark infringement.... Ah! Here it is! Major League Baseball vs. Little League. MLB 7, Little League 0..."
    As I understand the article, it isn't Major League Baseball vs. Little League. It's Major League Baseball (or Majestic) vs. the uniform seller. The seller is making money off of MLB's trademarks. As the article stated, the little league wanted the uniforms precisely because of their association with major league teams. They wouldn't even consider names that weren't associated with either major league or college teams.

    (for the record, when I was in little league, our teams were named after the local businesses who sponsered them)

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    I think what's going on here is a somewhat misleading headline admixed with differing philosophies.

    The story is a bit more complex than the teaser makes out. The philosophical difference seems to be not whether MLB is right or wrong, but whether it is smart or stupid for making itself look like exactly what it is, instead of trying to keep the scrim of fantasy in place.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    14,315
    Awww.... Let the kids have their fun!

    Here's a solution: The Major Leagues could license their logos to bona-fide Little League teams for a penny a uniform, provided no additional profits are being made (same shirt with a generic logo would cost the same amount).

    That way they're not giving it away, it's legal, and the major leagues could still sue the Red/White/Black Sox off of anyone who does try to make a profit without permission and royalty compensation.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    ^
    Exactly.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    16,686

    Re: Greed

    Quote Originally Posted by mike alexander View Post
    ^
    Exactly.
    I take it the team you sponsor. mike, is the Oregon Oxy-Cleans?

    Name:  mikey clean.jpeg
Views: 67
Size:  2.1 KB

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    No, the Hercules Hooks.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    16,686

    Re: Greed

    What do the individual team members refer to themselves as?

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    How did you know it was a girl's team?

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    16,686
    Masculine intimation.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    13,886
    They call themselves the Herculettes in honor of Bette Midler's backup singers

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    16,686
    The team song must be
    Poirot, rot, rot your boat...

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    The beautiful north coast (Ohio)
    Posts
    39,382
    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Awww.... Let the kids have their fun!

    Here's a solution: The Major Leagues could license their logos to bona-fide Little League teams for a penny a uniform, provided no additional profits are being made (same shirt with a generic logo would cost the same amount).

    That way they're not giving it away, it's legal, and the major leagues could still sue the Red/White/Black Sox off of anyone who does try to make a profit without permission and royalty compensation.
    Brilliant (I was thinking the same thing, no really I was).

    There was a similar situation in the last few years with model railroading. A few of the railroad companies wanted the model making companies to pay royalties when they made a model for a particular railroad. So, if a company made a BNSF boxcar, the railroad would get a cut. But the license fees that a couple of the railroad companies asked for (I remember Union Pacific was one) were so outragously high, that they would have driven the model making companies out of business. So the companies just stopped making models for those railroads. Of course the fans of those particular railroads went nuts.

    The other thing was that the railroads were enforcing this even for railroads that had disappeared; for example the use of the B&O logo is still owned by the CSX corporation.

    The short-sightedness of the railroads is that their greed just generates a lot of bad PR among a group of people who are their most loyal fans and in the long run hurts them more. In a very real sense, all those models with their logo on them is a lot of free advertising - the railroad should be paying me for that long line of B&O coal hoppers!

    Luckily, in the end, most of the railroads worked out much more reasonable terms, approaching the penny per idea that mugaliens suggested.
    Last edited by Swift; 2008-Jun-05 at 01:09 PM.
    At night the stars put on a show for free (Carole King)

    All moderation in purple - The rules

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    811
    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    The other thing was that the railroads were enforcing this even for railroads that had disappeared; for example the use of the B&O logo is still owned by the CSX corporation.
    Some wags even suggested that the real reason for UP's special heritage fleet locomotive paint schemes was so that it couldn't be accused of "warehousing" the trademarks of its predecessor railroads by demanding exorbitant licensing fees for trademarks that were no longer in use.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 81
    Last Post: 2011-Nov-14, 09:41 AM
  2. Can Greed Ever Be Eradicated?
    By cosmocrazy in forum Off-Topic Babbling
    Replies: 76
    Last Post: 2009-Oct-03, 03:52 AM
  3. Air Cancelled due to Greed
    By Bearded One in forum Off-Topic Babbling
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 2007-Feb-11, 01:01 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
here
The forum is sponsored in-part by: