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Apparently, the world is going to end on December 21st, 2012. Yes, you read correctly, in some way, shape or form, the Earth (or at least a large portion of humans on the planet) will cease to exist. Stop planning your careers, don't bother buying a house, and be sure to spend the last years [...]
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Order of Kilopi
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Order of Kilopi
Very well done. Everything I've been telling people, although I'm not believed.
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I'm not Christian or Catholic or... anything. I'm sixteen so I'm not too worried about religion at the moment. But when I heard about the death date in 2012 and that all that evidence was pointing to it from all over the world, I bugged out. Every time I would calm myself down something would come up on TV and remind me that Armageddon is near. So, looking at your article was yet another attempt for me to convince myself that I will live past my first year in college. Let me tell yah, I am relieved and thank you so much for writing about this. I seriosuly doubt I will ever be panicking about that until they make up the next end of the world.
----Eli
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You WILL have something to worry about... FINALS!
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2012 planetary alignment
There is another thread on this subject, but it was closed so I couldn't post a reply. Anyway, I saw this website on the other thread www.astroviewer.com, and it will calculate the positions our planets and sun will be in our galaxy on any given date. So, just for laughs I entered the date December 21, 2012, and guess what? The theories of the sun lining up in the center of the galaxy as well as a perfect planetary alignment are true. The sun sits right in the center of where the North and South and East and West poles intersect. The planets are in alignment now, but it is a little more profound on that date. Of course, even though the planets are in alignment now, and nothing catastrophic has happened yet, does that mean that nothing is going to happen on December 21, 2012? What I think is a likely scenario is that millions of people will get so freaked out about the whole thing that there will be mass chaos everywhere. Only time will tell in my opinion.
Newbie
Just go to astroviewer.com, type in December 21, 2012 using the interactive sky map, and all of the planets are in perfect alignment, and the sun is in the center of the galaxy, just as the mayans predicted. Of course, the planets are already in alignment now and nothing catastrophic has happened yet.
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Well, just to be 100% sure, I contacted NASA and requested that they email me a satellite image of the earth indicating the current position of the poles as well as what their position will be like in the next ten years. It takes a couple of weeks for the email to be processed, so I'll let you guys know what they say. As far as I can tell, the poles will NOT be reversed in 2012, not even close, unless of course, some catastrophic act of nature destroys the earth's magnetic field and solar storms from the sun wipe out the atmosphere and cause the earth's surface temperature to rise dramatically.
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That site doesn't draw the galaxy, it gives a map of what the sky will look like from a given position on the planet's surface at a given date and time.Originally Posted by jreily
In a map like that, the planets and sun should always look like they're lined up, because they all orbit within a fairly thin plane called the ecliptic - which is indicated by a dotted line in the charts that program generates. You can also change their positions within the chart pretty dramatically by just shifting the hour it's set for back and forth or changing the location the map's being drawn for.
Banned
The galactic poles were arbitrarily set by somebody. they are a human construct,just like the Mayan Calendar. Why people believe the universe to tick to our arbitrary time measurement systems, or our arbitrary mapping grids? It is total nonsense....
Newbie
Oh, okay. I was just going by what I saw. However, I am expecting to hear NASA in a few weeks, and if they confirm that the poles will not be reversed in 2012, then we will know for sure that the 2012 armageddon thing is complete **.
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This article is a must read for all those who were brainwashed by the misleading facts about 2012. I also hear minors (such as 8 yr old kids) hearing about this story and is very scared about this. I hope this thread will gain more publicity. Thanks to the writer!
Order of Kilopi
This article covers the pole flip nonsense:
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10...etic-reversal/
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
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I was looking for something to watch and came across the Nostradamus 2012 program on the History channel. It looked pretty interesting so I watched.It seems pretty ridiculous to assume the world will come to an end just because a calendar is ending. I decided to find out more on why people think this is going to happen because it doesn't seem to be based on science at all. On one page describing the Mayans and their calendar, it said that every 52 years (when 2 of their calendars coincided) they hide their pregnant women and children, broke pottery, made human sacrifices, etc. because they thought the world was coming to an end. And this is what we are basing this prediction off of. Silly.
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See, I read it all had something to do with the sun crossing the galactic center plane. Sorry, this is only my second post here and I suppose making it in a "doomsday" thread might be a bad idea, but this caught my eye. Ha.
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Rebuttal
To all bi-pedal, carbon based lifeforms inhabiting the third mudball:
Message from the Galactic Council reads...
...whoops!.. so sorry, but all complaints about the forthcoming traffic contraflow system should have been sent to the .....
"It doesn't matter really Griklox, these apes have only just crawled out of the caves"
"Too true Brian (?)...its not as if the universe will miss them"
All of the above makes as much sense as the original post.
Best to all and take care,
Manny
The Newbie
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I'm sure you read that, such things are all over the Internet. But its nonsense. Search on "2012" or "galactic plane" around BAUT and you'll find lots of information
Newbie
I just have one question...
you said in the beginning of the article that:
The calendar was constructed by an advanced civilization called the Mayans around 250-900 AD.
but then towards the end on the article you say:
Well, 13.0.0.0.0 represents 5126 years and the Long Count started on 0.0.0.0.0, which corresponds to the modern date of August 11th 3114 BC.
Now my question is How does the calender start on August 11th, 3114 BC if the Mayan civilization wasn't constructed until 250-900 Ad? Did they just pick a date to start this calender? And if so then if the starting date is changed, the doomsday date would change.
If you could answer this, it would clear everything up for me. Thank You
Order of Kilopi
It's impossible for anyone to know for certain until 1/1/2013.
Don't let your reality checks bounce. ~MeI'll tell you in the next life, when we are both cats.
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I thought everyone knows the world will really end on 19 January 2038, at 03:14:07 UTC.
Nick
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Doomsday Has Been Cancelled
How can you change a starting date?
A starting date for a calendar is called an epoch.
The epoch of our calendar is January 1st, 1 AD, which was picked in the year 525 by the monk Dionysius Exiguus.
Meaning that at some point an epoch half a millennium earlier was established.
August 11th, 3114 BC must have had some significance for the Maya.
Anyway, the Maya calendar stops the same way as ours does on the 31st of December.
We'll just have to buy a new one.
From Wikipedia:
The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar forms the basis for a New Age belief, first forecast by José Argüelles, that a cataclysm will take place on or about December 21, 2012, a forecast that mainstream Mayanist scholars consider a misinterpretation, yet is commonly referenced in pop-culture media as the 2012 problem.
"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. in Crystal River, Florida. To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."
So, no Maya Apocalypse.
Just search this site for 2012. Plenty of threads.
(Binary Man, were is The List?)
The End Of The World As We Know It, TEOTWAWKI for short, has been predicted several hundred times since antiquity.
A Brief History of the Apocalypse.
So far, epic fail. So the odds are against it.
Nearly 3,000 comments. That has got to be some sort of record.
Last edited by Halcyon Dayz; 2009-Jan-25 at 08:57 AM.
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Yup. Just like how we picked a date to start the counting for our current calendar that was a ways in the past. The anno domini year reckoning (the one we normally use today) wasn't introduced until the 6th century; the people who introduced it just picked a date over 500 years in the past from which to start the counting.
When Roman historians introduced the AUC epoch, year 1 was also centuries in the past.
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It's interesting to note that that list has several cases where people have decided it's the end of the world just because some calendar somewhere is about to tick over into the next order of magnitude.
Fun fact: Cars don't end when the odometer ticks over to 5 digits. Unless they're made by General Motors, that is.
Newbie
Thank you for clearing up the question for me. My other question was that the author says that the Mayan civilization created the calender around 250-900 AD but then he also says that the long count started August 11th 3114 BC. If im not mistaken, isn't that before 250-900 AD. So how can the long count start before the calender was even created?
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The same way the one we use starts counting from a date about 5 centuries before it was created. There's no rule that says that a calendar's day 1 has to be the day it was designed.
Newbie
I finally found a 2012 directory website with a list of all the december 21 2012 prophecies and some pretty good information about each prediction at AncientProphet.com ( www.AncientProphet.com ) I've been seeing a lot of changes and additions to the list of prophecies on the Ancient Prophet site over the past few days, so I'm guessing it's brand new, but it already has some great info. I thought I would share as I've been trying to figure out this mad 2012 puzzle myself.
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Hi Casey Sceptre. Welcome to BAUT. If you read through this thread or many of the other ones on BAUT, you will find lots of information showing that the prophecies are bunk. The planetary alignment mentioned at the top of that website isn't even true.
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Fraser, it is so good to have you back on Astronomy Cast and I am glad you are better. And I have heard you ridicule this nonsense a couple of times and it does deserve it.
BUT why do you advertise it? Just today the top of Universe Today and the disturbing graphic of the Big One about to hit the earth and title
December 21, 2012
Why you do this? Yes, I see it is a Google/DoubleClick ad but this is YOUR website and YOU use this "service" to pay for it. And maybe profit? I hope so, I want you to profit so you can continue many, many more years.
And are you not responsible for your business? If you could get this.....nonsense off of your site, I do believe you will have elevated it a bit, make it a better site. Why run ads that you must apologize for?
Newbie
w/e
That is the most retarted theory I have heard. You guys are trusting a calender created centuries ago. There is going to be no Doomsday on December 21, 2012, the Bible clearly states that the rapture will take place when you least expect it. You say the world will end in 2012, now I am certain it is not. It may take place before, or after.
Newbie
Again who cares about the end of the world, if you are saved and know Jesus then you won't be around to take place in it!
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