Roswell's weakest link

[Marlass]

I remember the early 1950s and this country was confident and of the mind to defend itself.The leaders were no nonsense types.If a space craft had crashed or exploded then crashed, that would indicate the flying saucer could probably be defended against by our military weaponry of that time.A nationwide military mobilization would have been undertaken to defend the country.This could not have been concealed or covered up, and simple deduction from the Roswell newspaper headlines would have indicated why the mobilization or martial law was in effect.

[Neverfly]

I remember the early 1950s and this country was confident and of the mind to defend itself.The leaders were no nonsense types.If a space craft had crashed or exploded then crashed, that would indicate the flying saucer could probably be defended against by our military weaponry of that time.A nationwide military mobilization would have been undertaken to defend the country.This could not have been concealed or covered up, and simple deduction from the Roswell newspaper headlines would have indicated why the mobilization or martial law was in effect.

Are you claiming that the Roswell incident was, in fact, an alien spacecraft? Or not?
If 1950's era anti-aircraft weaponry was sufficient against them, my nerves are much calmer at the notion of alien invaders then.

[Fazor]

I think he (or she) is saying that if it had been a vehicle piloted by extra terrestrials; the fact that it was destroyed via explosion/collision proves it was vunerable to something at least. And if the millitary had found said UFO (or even shot it down), then they would have mobilized to defend against other possible UFO's. But since they didn't do so, it must not have been a UFO.

Hope I translated that correctly.

[torque of the town]

I think he (or she) is saying that if it had been a vehicle piloted by extra terrestrials; the fact that it was destroyed via explosion/collision proves it was vunerable to something at least. And if the millitary had found said UFO (or even shot it down), then they would have mobilized to defend against other possible UFO's. But since they didn't do so, it must not have been a UFO.

Hope I translated that correctly.

Having just read the post, I agree with Fazor's synopsis.

[Extravoice]

I think that the argument can be turned around, and one can claim that the US *did* field systems that could shoot down the supposed flying saucers.

According to Wikipedia, the Roswell Incident occurrend in 1947, followed by:

Nike Missile System:
Test Flight: 1951
Fielded: 1953

Bomarc Missile System:
Authorized: 1949
Test Flight: 1955
Fielded: 1957

In true CT form, I have chosen to ignore the fact that the Nike system was authorized in 1944, three years before the Roswell incident.

There may be other systems, but I'm familiar with Nike and Bomarc because they were based near my home.

While I don't think that the Roswell incident had anything to do with alien invaders, the fact that a massive mobilization didn't occur doesn't seem like a very strong an argument against the alien theory.

[Silly String Theory]

I think that the argument can be turned around, and one can claim that the US *did* field systems that could shoot down the supposed flying saucers.

According to Wikipedia, the Roswell Incident occurrend in 1947, followed by:

Nike Missile System:
Test Flight: 1951
Fielded: 1953

Bomarc Missile System:
Authorized: 1949
Test Flight: 1955
Fielded: 1957

In true CT form, I have chosen to ignore the fact that the Nike system was authorized in 1944, three years before the Roswell incident.

There may be other systems, but I'm familiar with Nike and Bomarc because they were based near my home.

While I don't think that the Roswell incident had anything to do with alien invaders, the fact that a massive mobilization didn't occur doesn't seem like a very strong an argument against the alien theory.

Spot on, I think. Especially given the very aggressive mindset at the time (that's what I gather, anyhow, I wasn't alive yet to know first hand). It seems to me that the prospect of invading aliens would have been met with a huge rallying cry of "Look to the skies! Defend our nation!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I imagine it would have played out.

[Fazor]

The problem with conjecture is you can fight it with conjecture. One could easily say that the Secret Uber Gubbment that the US is part of was in cahoots with the aliens, which is why they didn't rally the guard and call up a huge show of arms.

You could also say that the Rosswell crash ET survived, and later went on to star in the show Alf. His puppet-like appearance was the result of being native to the planet Puppetronia. But someone got too close to the truth, so the show was cancelled and he moved to a small villa in rural Mexico.

You can really say anything you want, if you don't want the evidence to back it up.

[astrophotographer]

To me the most telling evidence is the actual records from the time period. There are numerous classified messages, memorandum, and reports by the military discussing UFOs and what they were/weren't/might be. All were written by people who should have known something if there were really an alien spaceship that crashed in 1947.
All of the officers who wrote these reports had no idea that what they were writing could later be read by the general public (there was no FOIA at the time) and were expressing honest opinions. The head officer at project SIGN (the first AF investigation into the matter of UFOs in 1948) wrote that they desperately wanted to find a crashed UFO because they had little idea of what the source of the UFO reports were. Meanwhile, the General staff was writing letters to project SIGN demanding that the group determine what they were!
If there were a crashed UFO stashed away, one would think that somewhere, somebody would mention something about such an incident. At least you would not have the head officers in the USAF demanding an answer to what these UFOs were and they certainly would not have wasted a lot of time and manpower creating a group to determine the source of UFOs when they already knew the answer to the question one year before!

[torque of the town]

and later went on to star in the show Alf. His puppet-like appearance was the result of being native to the planet Puppetronia.




The very fact that JU has not refuted this, says it all for me, come too think of it there was something very "Alf like" about that bloody penguin!!

[KaiYeves]

I had a cousin who lived in Roswell.
He was arrested for harboring illegal aliens. ;-D

[neilzero]

Possibly no one, not even the ET had the big picture. It is not prudent to launch a massive attact when you have only a vague and varried idea of who you are fighting, why you are fighting and what resources the alleged enemy has?
I think the usual accounts make good sense. Deny that anything is happening and gather more information. Unfortunately official denial means you miss out on a lot of opportunities to gather information. It also means the various agencies come to a wide variety of tentative conclusions, which make decisions career risky.
Much the same happens with independent researchers who are typically short on money so the temptation is make money selling books that suggest far out hypothesis. Neil

[Michael Noonan]

It is now nearly sixty years since the Roswell incident. In that time we have advanced but truth be told in that time so could the aliens. Now the plain fact is that they would be aware of us and not so inclined to just send only one little defenceless scout ship. Particularly knowing what weaponry we have ... assuming they followed standard star fleet protocol.

Launch an emergency beacon with instructions to upload sufficient information from the surface of the planet and update reports from the crashed aliens to allow the home world to plan a rescue ... or a full diplomatic cadre for the repatriation of the remains.

One can only hope they were treated with sufficient dignity to ensure a full scale incident does not emerge from our ancestors early attempts to glean knowledge.

[Neverfly]

It is now nearly sixty years since the Roswell incident. In that time we have advanced but truth be told in that time so could the aliens. Now the plain fact is that they would be aware of us and not so inclined to just send only one little defenceless scout ship. Particularly knowing what weaponry we have ... assuming they followed standard star fleet protocol.

Launch an emergency beacon with instructions to upload sufficient information from the surface of the planet and update reports from the crashed aliens to allow the home world to plan a rescue ... or a full diplomatic cadre for the repatriation of the remains.

One can only hope they were treated with sufficient dignity to ensure a full scale incident does not emerge from our ancestors early attempts to glean knowledge.

Now that depends...

Did our predecessors also consume them?

Antarian stew...

[dgavin]

Antarian stew...

YUUUUUUKKKKKKKKK

ewwwwwww

well that just caused me to loose my appitite.:P

[galacsi]

Are you claiming that the Roswell incident was, in fact, an alien spacecraft? Or not?
If 1950's era anti-aircraft weaponry was sufficient against them, my nerves are much calmer at the notion of alien invaders then.

That so strange that every body thinks if aliens are real they are invaders. I understand better why so many people don't want to think about it.

It is a true testimony to the aggressive mind of the mainstream people.

[Extravoice]

Now that depends...

Did our predecessors also consume them?

That reminded me of the following article in the Onion:
New Delicious Species Discovered

[Neverfly]

That so strange that every body thinks if aliens are real they are invaders. I understand better why so many people don't want to think about it.

It is a true testimony to the aggressive mind of the mainstream people.

You do realize you just stereotyped a stereotype right?
In any case, you have no evidence as to what my thoughts on aliens are- given one statement in one thread hardly sheds light on how I would perceive an alien species motives.

Originally Posted by DGavin:
YUUUUUUKKKKKKKKK

ewwwwwww

well that just caused me to loose my appitite.:P

It only made me all hungry thinkin' about it. I made a sandwich, then went outside and watched the squrrels run around like hot dogs with bushy tails scampering up trees.....


<droool>

That reminded me of the following article in the Onion:
New Delicious Species Discovered

Hmmm... Good idea... Sauteed onions to top it with...

[trinitree88]

It's probably just a coincidence that of all the surface area on the planet , Roswell Air Force Base, with the 8th....was where the world's cache of nuclear weapons was stored........ pete.

[SLF:JAQ SFDJS]

In reading UFO lore I believe that the Roswell UFO was brought down by the Radar that was being developed there at the time.

[galacsi]

You do realize you just stereotyped a stereotype right?
In any case, you have no evidence as to what my thoughts on aliens are- given one statement in one thread hardly sheds light on how I would perceive an alien species motives.

Sorry I made a mistake quoting your post . I did not wanted to put you specially under the spotlight.

So take it as a general stereotype of a stereotype. (What wrong with that ? )

[R.A.F.]

In reading UFO lore...

Well, there's your problem.

[astrophotographer]

In reading UFO lore I believe that the Roswell UFO was brought down by the Radar that was being developed there at the time.

Hmm....the consensus from many of the books is that it was struck by lightning because the thirty year memories of two people (back when the myth began it's genesis) said it might have happened during a thunderstorm. The problem with that theory is that the weather records for the time period don't show any significant thunderstorm activity for the dates in question.
Of course, both theories are ridiculous when you think about it. We are led to believe that the Roswell craft was advanced beyond anything we can possibly imagine today. Yet, our primitive aircraft have very little difficulty in flying through any RADAR beam and navigating around or through lightning storms. A recent example is the fate Ted Kennedy's plane (primitive that it is), which got hit and managed to land safely back in 2006 even though it lost electrical power. This makes the alien pilots simple inept or the designers of their craft just plain stupid.

[KaiYeves]

Well, there's your problem.

Calm down, "lore" implies legends and myths. In other words, things one reads, but does not believe, although they recongnize other people may.

[galacsi]

Of course, both theories are ridiculous when you think about it. We are led to believe that the Roswell craft was advanced beyond anything we can possibly imagine today.

Look like a straw man to me. There is no information in my possession proofing that. And i have read a lot on the subject. who says these people have an industrial system meaning a capitalist system like us. May be their saucers are made one by one like artisan work.

Yet, our primitive aircraft have very little difficulty in flying through any RADAR beam and navigating around or through lightning storms.

There are some testimonies making believe some of these crafts are mentally piloted by a kind of mental interface between the saucer and the pilot. The radar having interfered with this link.

[stutefish]

Look like a straw man to me. There is no information in my possession proofing that. And i have read a lot on the subject. who says these people have an industrial system meaning a capitalist system like us. May be their saucers are made one by one like artisan work.

Which would make it far more advanced than any of our artisan work (and far more advanced than any of our industrial work). Either way, far more advanced than anything we could produce.

[Neverfly]

Look like a straw man to me. There is no information in my possession proofing that. And i have read a lot on the subject. who says these people have an industrial system meaning a capitalist system like us. May be their saucers are made one by one like artisan work.

I guess you didn't read the information in your possession about the unbreakable, unbendable, undentable alloys?

There are some testimonies making believe some of these crafts are mentally piloted by a kind of mental interface between the saucer and the pilot. The radar having interfered with this link.

And THIS isn't a straw man!? Talk about wild speculation...

"We think the Earths gravity field messed up his telemetry as he came in over the pole..."*


*Not an exact quote- going offa memory here...


Galasci, there is about as much evidence that an alien spacecraft crashed in Roswell NM as there is that I'm a Scorponok from Antares in disguise, here to steal Earths virgins and pomegranates..

[absael]

Look like a straw man to me.

It seems to me that any extraterrestrial craft that arrived here would pretty much have to be advanced beyond anything we could imagine.

There is no information in my possession proofing that.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect to have information in his possession proofing [sic] that... your information would have to be quite extensive to make that kind of inference.

And i have read a lot on the subject. who says these people have an industrial system meaning a capitalist system like us. May be their saucers are made one by one like artisan work.

So... who are they? Where are they from? How do the "who" you're referring to know this? Why does industrial necessarily mean capitalist? What bearing does any of this have on the topic?

There are some testimonies making believe some of these crafts are mentally piloted by a kind of mental interface between the saucer and the pilot. The radar having interfered with this link.

Testimonies from whom? What evidence is there that radar waves interfere with brain waves? So far, the "making believe" part is the only thing I'm convinced of.

[Donnie B.]

...I'm a Scorponok from Antares in disguise, here to steal Earths virgins and pomegranates..

Well, okay, you can have the virgins... but KEEP YOUR FILTHY TENTACLES OFF OUR POMEGRANATES!

[Access Denied]

In reading UFO lore I believe that the Roswell UFO was brought down by the Radar that was being developed there at the time.

Apparently there was no ground Radar at Roswell AAF at the time...

An Assessment Of Steve MacKenzie's Account Of the Radar Tracking Of An Unidentified Object Over Southern New Mexico During Early July, 1947
http://www.project1947.com/roswell/cbm.htm

The nearest one, an SCR-584 housed in a trailer at White Sands Proving Grounds, had a max. range of 40 miles... the “crash site” was 160 miles North of WSPG and the Radar was dedicated to tracking rocket launches.

The chances of it being on *and* causing the crash seem very slim… that is of course unless “they” were there to watch a V-2 and curiosity got the best of them.

[I for one never get tired of watching rocket launches so who knows?]

[Neverfly]

Well, okay, you can have the virgins... but KEEP YOUR FILTHY TENTACLES OFF OUR POMEGRANATES!

We also came to take "Firefly" back to our homeworld- as it was the only good science fiction Earth had to offer