My Possible Black Hole Theory

[mlibanio]

Hi I am somewhat new to the site, but I had an idea on Black Holes that I think bears investigating. Or maybe some of the elite minds on this site that I aspire to will simply laugh, and likely with good reason. My theory is stated below.

Let us assume that a super giant star has reached critical mass at its near death. It has expanded and is just about ready to explode. Finally the core itself is shed of the surface mass and all matter ejected outward into space. Let us also assume that the core continues to rotate as it did before, and has rapidly cooled down. However shed of all that mass, it is now actually rotating on its axis faster than before. So fast in fact that it nears (but never reaches light speed. As a result of this enormous velocity, all nearby matter begins to be affected by the gravitational pull of this "core phenomenon" as I will call it. Even slower moving light (infra red, and so on) get pulled in as well. As a result, the core phenomenon becomes much larger, attracting still greater amounts of matter. This is likely why matter is seen to go in, yet very much incapable of leaving. However, current theories I find have an extremely difficult time explaining ejections that just so happen to occur as well. My theory covers this too. While "ingesting" matter of all sorts at the velocities referred to above, the behaviour of matter as we understand in our part of the universe cannot possibly be the same. It can therefore be postulated that matter impact of the correct variety produces extraordinary quantities of energy that may even come closer to achieving or slightly faster than light speed.

Thanks for your all of your patience and reading all of this. Your comments are always appreciated.
Thanks,
Matthew Libanio

[3dknight]

Welcome mlibanio I'm not one of the geniuses on this site. When I'm older I'll probably be. I do have some advice for this though. There is a section in this forum called against the mainstream. This section deals with all the theories against the mainstream. This will be a perfect idea for that section and you will get more attention there than simply me. Thank you for joining.

[Neverfly]

You are correct that a rapidly spinning body can demonstrate relatavistic distortions.

Oh and don't listen to 3dknight- Genius without a bit of wisdom can be useless... and 3dknight has repeatedly demonstrated quite a bit of wisdom

What I don't understand about your theory is how the velocity of rotation can cause a gravitational pull inward?

The higher the velocity - the greater the momentum given to ejecta- it is more likely to expell star stuff when rotating faster.
Even at near light speeds- that which is expelled by the rotating star still will be sublight speed or at light speed for the many things that move that fast- and still able to escape.
Consider Special Relativity- If I'm moving at .9 c toward you - and I shine a flashlight toward you- what happens to the light I'm emitting?

Perhaps you are thinking of artificial gravity caused by rotation- but this happens if you are on the inside of what is spinning- so that the 'force pushes you against' the outer shell- simulating gravity.

Unless you clarify what you meant - and I missed it- I see this as the 'core' (sorry) problem with your theory- and that part is the part upon which everything else is based.

In order to create what you describe would require more mass gained and greater gravity- not the shedding of mass.

[3dknight]

Oh and don't listen to 3dknight- Genius without a bit of wisdom can be useless... and 3dknight has repeatedly demonstrated quite a bit of wisdom

Aww a compliment thank you.

[undidly]

mlibanio
>Even slower moving light (infra red, and so on) get pulled in as well. As a result, the core phenomenon becomes much larger, attracting still greater>

Slower moving light?.I think not.Lower frequency ,yes.

At the same distance from its center a black hole has the same G field as the
star which formed the black hole.Black holes have a strong field only because the diameter is small.They do not suck in matter from further away than the original star,less if any matter was ejected.

Almost a theory,just get the errors out.Maybe your theory will explain what
other theories cannot.Keep at it.Don't give up.Just remember that heavier
than air type aircraft will never be able to fly.

[Jim]

I think ATM is a better place for this. Moved.

(Welcome to BAUT, mlibanio!

[Gillianren]

Welcome, indeed! And don't worry--being rude is against the rules here, so if someone does laugh at you, use that little red triangle and report 'em to the mods. (Just don't confuse dismissing your idea with laughing at you; if your idea is contrary to observed evidence, it should be dismissed, as I'm sure you know!)

I won't be able to provide constructive answers about your idea, either; my training is in English literature, history, and music, which doesn't help at all when studying black holes.

[Neverfly]

I won't be able to provide constructive answers about your idea, either; my training is in English literature, history, and music, which doesn't help at all when studying black holes.

It helps in other ways

[Mister Earl]

Consider Special Relativity- If I'm moving at .9 c toward you - and I shine a flashlight toward you- what happens to the light I'm emitting?

Ooh! Mind if I take a crack at that one? I think I know.

[Argos]

Let us assume that a super giant star has reached critical mass at its near death. It has expanded and is just about ready to explode. Finally the core itself is shed of the surface mass and all matter ejected outward into space. Let us also assume that the core continues to rotate as it did before, and has rapidly cooled down. However shed of all that mass, it is now actually rotating on its axis faster than before. So fast in fact that it nears (but never reaches light speed. As a result of this enormous velocity, all nearby matter begins to be affected by the gravitational pull of this "core phenomenon" as I will call it.

If I understand, you are proposing that the near c rotation speed will make the matter more massive, thus being able to attract the surrounding matter, inducing a positive feedback [correct me if I´m wrong].

Is there any chance that you are confusing the notions of relativistic and invariant mass from Special Relativity [which is not applicable in this circumstance]?

Also, these two passages are seemingly contradictory:

So fast in fact that it nears (but never reaches light speed. As a result of this enormous velocity, all nearby matter begins to be affected by the gravitational pull of this "core phenomenon"

It can therefore be postulated that matter impact of the correct variety produces extraordinary quantities of energy that may even come closer to achieving or slightly faster than light speed

[Neverfly]

Ooh! Mind if I take a crack at that one? I think I know.

You cracked it and got the nut
Sorry, I didn't see this post earlier.