Mars close pass and Super volcano

[Seos]

Anyone have any opinions on the idea that there could be a correlation between Mars' cloest pass in approx 73,000 years and the fact that the last super volcano erupted approx 74,000 years ago?

Volcano
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...olcanoes.shtml

Mars
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._030121-1.html

joe

[darkhunter]

Coincidences do happen....

[Jigsaw]

The "Mars will be the closest in 73,000 years" number is no longer correct--it is now "60,000" years.

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/mars...ew_021108.html

Mars to Get Closer than Ever in Recorded History in 2003
By Joe Rao

Special to SPACE.com
posted: 07:00 am ET
08 November 2002

< snip >

At 5:51 a.m. EDT on Aug. 27, 2003, Mars will be within 34,646,418 miles (55,758,006 kilometers) of Earth. This will be the closest that Mars has come to our planet in nearly 60,000 years.

[Editor's Note: The initial computations that brought this event to light were made by Jean Meeus of Belgium. The above distances, only very slightly refined, were supplied to SPACE.com on Dec. 13, 2002 by orbit expert Myles Standish at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The "nearly 60,000 years" estimate was originally 73,000 years and was updated on May 1, 2003 as new calculations were supplied.]

Looks like they need to update their other article, the one you linked to.

So, Mars will be the closest it has ever come to Earth in 60,000 years, not 73,000 years, therefore I would assume that the fact that Toba erupted, varyingly, 13,000, 14,000, or 15,000 years before it last flew by wouldn't signify. (There are geology websites that give the date for the Toba eruption at 73,000, 74,000 and 75,000 years ago.)

[Kaptain K]

Very rough calculation The gravitational effect of Mars on the Earth, at closest approach, is on the order of one ten billionth that of the Moon! Please provide a mechanism whereby such an infinitessimal force could have any meaningful effect on the Earth.

[daver]

But the STARS control our DESTINY. And you know how influential Saturn is? Well, at its closest approach, mars will be nearly 50 times as influential as Saturn! Why, it's influence is going to rival that of an M&M across the office, and you know how nasty they are.

[Papermache Prince]

Some of us find the gravitional pull of even one M&M very strong.

[Kaptain K]

Yeah! Try to steal my M&Ms [-X and you witness a Super Volcano up close and personal!! 8)

[Vega115]

yea..doubtful Mars has any effect on Earth come Aug. 27th. But that scares me that the yellowstone supervolcano is 40,000 years OVERDUE. I read somewhere, or watched something that said when it does "blow", here in NY, we were have slight earthquakes, glass will shatter here from the sound wave. And they said that the area a few hundred miles of the volcano would be desolate for a good few thousand years. And think, it would block out the sky! That means no stargazing for a WHILE!

[Seos]

Very rough calculation The gravitational effect of Mars on the Earth, at closest approach, is on the order of one ten billionth that of the Moon! Please provide a mechanism whereby such an infinitessimal force could have any meaningful effect on the Earth.

Atlantean Crystals on the surface of Mars maybe?
:-k

[Kaptain K]

Tell you what. You go get one, bring it back and show it to me and I'll believe it (maybe)! :wink: Heck, you don't even have to go to Mars. One from Atlantis would be good enough!

[Seos]

Tell you what. You go get one, bring it back and show it to me and I'll believe it (maybe)! :wink: Heck, you don't even have to go to Mars. One from Atlantis would be good enough!

Okay, I'm on my way, but I wont make it back before mars' closest pass, so if I find a big hole where Yellow stone national park should be, I'll know what happened...

[kucharek]

It's a closest approach, but the difference the closest approach lets say in every intervall of 500 years compared to this year's one is not very impressive. So it is not only very weak, but also not so much different from what happens much more frequently.

[Doodler]

Keep in mind about the timing of the super volcanos, they only go off every half a million years or so. The mechanism that determines when they erupt is not related to tidal forces from other planets, but from internal mechanisms related to the pressure within the magma chamber as the surrounding walls melt and increase its volume.

Reference this back to a Discovery Channel program, and yes, Yellowstone is overdue... not a pleasant thought.

[Byrd]

Tell you what. You go get one, bring it back and show it to me and I'll believe it (maybe)! :wink: Heck, you don't even have to go to Mars. One from Atlantis would be good enough!

For only $99.95 I can send you one! Yes, it's true! It'll bless your life in so many ways! Why delay when you can own a stunning Atlantean crystal, blessed with ancient Antlantean technology today!

[kilopi]

But that scares me that the yellowstone supervolcano is 40,000 years OVERDUE.

Reference this back to a Discovery Channel program, and yes, Yellowstone is overdue... not a pleasant thought.

I don't think so. We've talked about this before, last figures I saw dated the calderas at 2.0 mya, 1.3 mya, and 0.6 mya--about every 0.7 my, but that's only two data points. Are you sure that the Discovery Channel is saying "overdue?"

[Jigsaw]

Maybe, maybe not, but it's sure all over the Internet. Gonna be the Next Big Thing, but not until AFTER the asteroids all collide on August 12, and Mars destroys Earth on August 27, and the Galileo probe turns Jupiter into a star on September 21-22, and the entire Cascade Range erupts sometime during Fall 2003. But after all that, trust me, the Next Big Thing will be Yellowstone.

You bet.

[kucharek]

...and the Galileo probe turns Jupiter into a star on September 21-22, ...

Someone really claims this?

[Jigsaw]

Yup. The usual innuendo-laden collection of e-mails, links, rumors, and actual news sound bites.


http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/july.html

WERE GALILEO AND CASSINI DESIGNED TO NUKE WORLDS?

Space scientists support suicide for Galileo craft

PASADENA, Calif. (June 30, 2000 9:23 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A plan to send NASA's Galileo spacecraft on a suicide plunge into Jupiter's atmosphere to avoid any chance of contaminating the planet's potentially life-harboring moons has won over a panel of independent scientists.

Galileo, launched in 1989, completed its primary exploration of the Jupiter system in 1997. It is now on its second extended mission and remains in good shape as mission controllers prepare for its joint observations in December with the Cassini probe.

Date: 6/30/00 9:26:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time

They gonna do it. Try to ignite Jupiter.

I know...made me nauseous when I saw this...just came out....Whatever they can try they will try..and they say WE are the nuts!

7/1/00 12:38:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time

kent-----BRING BACK ALL YOUR RESEARCH ON GALILEO ---GALILEO TO CRASH INTO JUPITER----

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/febb.html

NUKING JUPITER?

EMAIL, 2/23/00 7:52:10 AM Pacific Standard Time

I seem to remember a while back the rumor that the Galileo probe was loaded with plutonium and was a secret plot to crash it into Jupiter??? Could be totally wrong but I thought I read it before....Anyway check it out.

Galileo mission may end in a blaze of glory

February 21, 2000: PASADENA, California (AP) -- NASA is considering a spectacular finish for Galileo's mission to Jupiter: A suicide plunge into the gaseous planet or one of its moons.

Plutonium powered? See Sagan

Galileo also will be powered by radioactive plutonium. There is no alternative. To power Galileo by solar panels, the spacecraft would have to be as big as a house; to power it by batteries would add so much weight that the mission would never fly -- at least on any U.S. launch vehicle in existence or now under development. But plutonium can be deadly, and the Galileo RTG's have now begun to alarm many people."

MYSTERIOUS MESSAGE

You may not realize how right you are. However, brace yourself, the changes are only just beginning. Do not fear however, the "EXPERIMENT" as you call it is not over, it will continue. The only thing remaining to be seen is the way in which you humans handle the coming times. Look to Mars, and the red storm of Jupiter as well. You will be amazed at what you discover.

NOT ENOUGH GAS?

THE LUCIFER PROJECT

The agency in question disclosed certain controversial statements made by Russian astrophysicist Boris Rodionov to Moscow's Komsomolskaya Pravda, in which he claimed to have proof of the existence of "a highly developed extraterrestrial civilization on one of the satellites of the planet Jupiter.

ELAINE LUCAS INVESTIGATIONS

EMAIL, 2/25/00 2:13:53 AM Pacific Standard Time

The critical mass for U 235 is 50kg, for Pu 239 it is 16kg. However Cassini (33kg) and Galileo (16kg?, don't know) do have Pu 238 on board which has no critical mass. However, you can produce "critical" U from normal with neutron radiation. Maybe, you can also get "critical" Pu 239 from Pu 238 by radiating it? With Pu 239 there would be enough mass as it only needs 16kg! What radiation do we have around Jupiter? I hope not neutrons!

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/sept2.html

NUKING JUPITER Mysterious message:

You may not realize how right you are. However, brace yourself, the changes are only just beginning. Do not fear however, the "EXPERIMENT" as you call it is not over, it will continue. The only thing remaining to be seen is the way in which you humans handle the coming times. Look to Mars, and the red storm of Jupiter as well. You will be amazed at what you discover.

EDITOR: Received above email message during a discussion about nuking Jupiter and the rumor that the Illuminati were tring to turn Jupiter into a sun. Galileo and Cassini both carry Plutonium. Solar Lance

Subj: Re: lucifer - our companion sun ...

9/11/00 1:56:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Hi, your mention of alleged plans to ignite Jupiter quickly brought Clarke's 2010 to mind - at the end, the Monolith(s) cause Jupiter to become a second sun, Lucifer - the light bearer - to be man's companion in what used to be the dark night ...more

[Doodler]

But that scares me that the yellowstone supervolcano is 40,000 years OVERDUE.

Reference this back to a Discovery Channel program, and yes, Yellowstone is overdue... not a pleasant thought.

I don't think so. We've talked about this before, last figures I saw dated the calderas at 2.0 mya, 1.3 mya, and 0.6 mya--about every 0.7 my, but that's only two data points. Are you sure that the Discovery Channel is saying "overdue?"

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As I recall, there were signs of volcanic activity starting to build, the ground has been documented slowly swelling across a fair part of the area and a subsurface radar image showed the presence of the magma build up. I meant not overdue meaning due any minute, but more like, outside the timeframe of previously dated eruptions. I remembered the timeframe mentioned being .6 My, which would put us beyond the length of time between the last eruption and the one previous. I know this thing can't be timed with a stopwatch so its not going to be the same length of time between events, but at the same time, if a guy punches you in the head a couple times, aren't you going to at least keep an eye out when his fist starts to clench again? There is the beginning of a pattern looking to emerge that's at least worth a more detailed look.[/i]

[kilopi]

I meant not overdue meaning due any minute, but more like, outside the timeframe of previously dated eruptions.

That's what I meant too. Do you have different dates?

There is the beginning of a pattern looking to emerge that's at least worth a more detailed look.[/i]

Been watching it for years. I studied geophysics, and lived fifty miles from Yellowstone while growing up.

[beskeptical]

Just posted this on another site:

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/

I think we will have lots of warning before a huge eruption and so far we've only had little burpy things. A while back the big bulge was rising but it has since eased back to low activity levels. The geysers have had some recent changes that may sound like major events but I think they are really more minor but get hyped in translation.

This site describes Yellowstone as a breathing creature. The bulge rose for years, then subsided for years.

http://www.mines.utah.edu/~rbsmith/R...formation.html