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## Slowing Discrepancies

I was bored, so I thought I would make a chart for the eastern time zone of Nancy's purported slowing times. The only pattern I could find was that nothing made any damn sense. Here are my results:

E=Early
L=Late
(R) = rise
(N) = noon
(S) = set

DATE

6/13: (R) 18 L (S) 19 E
6/14: (S) 25 E
6/15: (N) 3 L (S) 18 E
6/16: (R) 27L (N) 28-30 L
6/17: (N) 33L
6/20: (N) 15L (S) 11 E
6/21: (N) 30L
6/23: (N) 33 L (S) 10 E
6/25: (R) 10 L (N) 35 L (S) 4 L-15 E
6/27: (R) 15 L
7/4: (N) 9 L
7/6: (N) 11 L
7/7: (R) 20 L (N) 12 L
7/8: (R) 20 L (N) 12 L (S) 23 E
7/9: (N) 11 L
7/10: (N) 12 L (S) 28 L
7/11: (N) 11 L (S) 18 E
7/12: (N) 12 L
7/13: (N) 12 L
7/14: (N) 12 L (S) 22 E
7/15: (N) 14 L (S) 20 E
7/17: (N) 13 L (S) 19 E
7/18: (N) 3-13 L
7/19: (N) 13 L
7/20: (S) 19 E
7/21: (N) 14 L
7/22: (N) 13 L
7/25: (N) 14 L
7/26: (N) 12 L
7/27: (N) 11 L
7/28: (N) 14 L

One of my biggest questions: How can the sun go from being 20 mins late in the morning, 12 mins late at noon and then go to 23 mins EARLY? Also, how can the sun be off in different places on the eastern seaboard? One of Nancy's listings for Florida had three different times posted. Surely if the earth were that 'wobbly' we'd all have noticed by now.
And people believe this crap?

Oh, for those px believers who happen by this post, I clearly saw the sun this morning. It looked pretty damn normal to me.

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## Re: Slowing Discrepancies

Originally Posted by h_b0mb
One of my biggest questions: How can the sun go from being 20 mins late in the morning, 12 mins late at noon and then go to 23 mins EARLY?
The same way PX could be seen from the Mt. Wilson webcam some distance from the sun and much brighter than the moon, but no where else. The same way PX can be seen from webcams but not with the naked eye, the same way some people say the moon is getting closer and other people say its farther. The same way PX is bright enough to make the sun noticeably brighter and makes crops mature early, but could not easily be seen as it approched the sun. The same way PX stopped its orbit and has been "floating" (Nancy's word) near the sun for two months now. The same way both fast clocks AND slow clocks are evidence rotation slowdown.

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## Re: Slowing Discrepancies

Originally Posted by Dancar
Originally Posted by h_b0mb
One of my biggest questions: How can the sun go from being 20 mins late in the morning, 12 mins late at noon and then go to 23 mins EARLY?
The same way PX could be seen from the Mt. Wilson webcam some distance from the sun and much brighter than the moon, but no where else. The same way PX can be seen from webcams but not with the naked eye, the same way some people say the moon is getting closer and other people say its farther. The same way PX is bright enough to make the sun noticeably brighter and makes crops mature early, but could not easily be seen as it approched the sun. The same way PX stopped its orbit and has been "floating" (Nancy's word) near the sun for two months now. The same way both fast clocks AND slow clocks are evidence rotation slowdown.
Sorry. That was supposed to be rhetorical.

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As I have stated before, Planet X is actually a knuckleball thrown by Cy Young a long time ago. As this drags on, my theory is seeming more and more plausible

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## Re: Slowing Discrepancies

Originally Posted by h_b0mb

Sorry. That was supposed to be rhetorical.
I know, I was just having fun seeing how many absurdities I could fit into one paragraph.

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## Re: Slowing Discrepancies

Originally Posted by Dancar
Originally Posted by h_b0mb

Sorry. That was supposed to be rhetorical.
I know, I was just having fun seeing how many absurdities I could fit into one paragraph.
It's cool, Man. Look at this little gem I found today:

July 29
in Missouri#2 : 4 minutes EARLY
in Missouri#1 : 11 minutes LATE

Apparently, Missouri is really screwed up. :roll:

7. No worse than in various movies where people world wide see the same event at once.

8. It's really funny in a way.

She tells everyone not to trust the Navy for either atomic time or their sunrise/sunset tables. So now you have people guestimating actual sunrise/sunset times based on god only knows what using clocks/watches set to god only knows what standard.

Then you have people trying to estimate when the sun really rises or sets even though they do not have an unobstructed view of the horizon - how many people really do?

Did you notice that for the 27th, 29th, and 30th that there is an early/late sunset from Missouri 1 and 2 again?

Here ** proves nothing.

Tom

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the same way you cant see PX thru welder's goggles, but a camera can.

10. the only reasonable excuse i could come up with is that her viewers are scattered across the time zone(s). i know a sunset for new york can be one time, and for me it is several minutes later. i'm in the same time zone but farther west. if i tried to time the sun by new york city times, it would appear to be off to me. but it would off by a consistent amount (ie always 5 minutes or something). the only way it could change is if i were taking the reading from a different person each time. for example if i took todays sunrise in NYC as "ontime", and tomorrow took a reading from someone in Washington DC, and the next day from central virginia...and the next day from me, the time would appear to change dramatically. that would be bad science of course, trying to say the sun should set at the same time in all the cities within a time zone...but apparently that doesn't matter to some people. :-?

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When these guys decide the Sun is early or late, what in the heck are they even checking?

Their watches against the newspaper's list of Sunset and Sunrise? Wouldn't such a record normally only apply to a narrow line of longitude and aren't time zones a rather wide line of longitude?

12. yeah they are. they aren't perfect, but the lines average being seperated so that each is set to be astronomically (about) one hour off set from the next. there are 24 in the whole world (one for each ohour of the day :wink: ) between the lines however is all the same time. as i mentioned about New York or Boston--sunrise there is at say, 6:40 am. for me, a couple hundred miles west of them, sunrise might be 7:05 am. sunrise, set, moonrise etc would make more sense if i measured myself in central time--the line is only about 5 miles west of me here in Chattanooga.

since half of Eastern Time is in the Atlantic Ocean, i'll use Central Time and see if that's any clearer. for someone a few miles west of me in Central Time, they may see noon right at noon. for someone in Lincoln, NB it might look like noon would be 12:20. for someone in Scotts Bluff (almost to Colorado and Mountain Time) noon would appear to be closer to 1:00 pm. normally, this is considered normal. however, if the Scotts Bluf boy were reading the Chattanooga times listing for sunrise/noon/sunset in Central Time, and thinking " the sun will rise for central time at 6:10am, noon at 12:04, and set at 9:01pm; he will be in for a big surprise when everything is 50 or more minutes "late"! he would be better off reading the Denver paper! of course, he should read the Scotts Bluff paper... #-o

i'm not trying to excuse their beliefes about slowing rotation causing the time differences, but it would be a plausible reason if someone naive got hold of a big time paper and base all their measurments off that. it would explain not only the apparent differences but also the wide range of differences from day to day and location to location.

of course, there is also the chance (and a good one at that) that they are judging sunrise off a hill or valley instead of flat horizon; or that their watches are off. or a combination of both. :-?

in any case, i know there is no plumbing the depths...but i'll still toss my two cents in anyhow. (think "a really deep wishing well"...)

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Missouri isn't really that screwed up, but I will leave you with this small tidbit of information.
Q: What does a Missourian say right before he dies?
A: Hey ya'll, hold my beer, I've got to turn left.

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