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After this new discovery that Salt Water can shed its Hydrogen Atoms and Burn. As I have suggested before, is it possible that Frequency is the binder that holds atomic nuclei together? If Frequency can disassemble the atoms then reverse engineering would suggest it to be the catalyst?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296395,00.html
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Let see hydrogen burns and this is news to fox news what next higher life forms evolve from lower life forms.
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Yo. Old July news: topic John Kanzius - Salt water and RFOriginally Posted by coliver
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Does anyone know of any experiments with Frequencies effects on Atoms or Molecules?
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I would suspect that as they have suggested it may burn more energy than produced? But whats intrigueing to me is that the RF Frequencies were able to separate the bond.
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Yeah, I just put some sauerkraut in my microwave oven, and set the timer for 30 seconds.
It got hot!
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Ha Ha, thats not exactly the type of Controlled Experiment I had in MindYeah, I just put some sauerkraut in my microwave oven, and set the timer for 30 seconds.
It got hot!
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Radiation has an effect on pretty much all objects except the Black Body. Why couldnt particular frequencies act as a glue to hold positive and negative charges together so to speak?
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I find if you cook a hotdog in a microwave and cook it. Then put the sauerkraut you get a lot better results.
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atomic glue...
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Well, let's see.
Frequency is typically the number of peaks of a waveform over a unit of length or time.
Such waveforms in matter are usually the result of something called vibratory motion.
Vibratory motion of atoms and molecules is also called "heat" and leads one into two rather interesting fields called physics and thermodynamics.
There have been lots of experiments having to do with heat in physics and thermodynamics. Check them out by Googling "heat physics thermodynamics experiments".
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Wow; this guy has a cure for both cancer and the energy crisis. I wonder what he's going to cure next.
Huh?Roy says the scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen — which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit — would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.
At least they went back and added the disclaimer at the end. Unfortunately, it took the internet community to point it out.
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A frequency is not some magical thing. A frequency is defined as occurences per second. How frequent some thing happens. It isnt magic atom glue.
It isnt the frequency that causes anything, but whatever is oscillating at that frequency.
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What about Harmonics? Why would a radio frequency have ANY effect on Salt water? Im saying what if the RF and the thermodynamics work together somehow to hold an atomic particle in its position? If it can be done with one elememt, why not others?
From the same article.The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said.
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Tell us.
In spite of all the interrogatives, the content of the OP is still your claim.
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?In spite of all the interrogatives, the content of the OP is still your claim.
Im not making a claim? Im just asking if its possible for frequency to maybe work as a kind of key that would hold atomic particles in their orbit? You guys know more than i do, Im just exploring the possibility and if it could work?
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Well according to the news report that showed up locally today...
Salt water fuel gets major university review
...it sounds like the interest is in how or why it works, but to be a solution to the fuel problem is very much in doubt.
So, it sounds like they get heat from both the hydrogen burning, and the chemical stripping of the atoms both."This is the biggest discovery in 100 years in water research" exclaimed Professor Roy.
Scientists at Penn State University believe the frequency used in the Kanzius machine is releasing atomic hydrogen molecules from the salt water by weakening the bonds holding the sodium chloride, oxygen and hydrogen together. That's why the flame is so incredibly hot.
"There is no breakthrough", said Professor Scavuzzo [Akron State University], "Because there are more efficient ways of breaking water down to hydrogen and oxygen."
Scavuzzo's son, Steven, a technical consultant for Babcock & Wilcox, said that salt water is not a fuel.
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After reading this article it seems that the RF Frequencies may be heating the Nanoparticles and weakening the bond that way? Then perhaps the nanoparticles are the glue? If it is weakening the bond then that would seem to me to be the key discovery? Whether it works as a fuel or not?Well according to the news report that showed up locally today...
Salt water fuel gets major university review
...it sounds like the interest is in how or why it works, but to be a solution to the fuel problem is very much in doubt.
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one wonders if i use my radio and put it on an fm station and i have a bottle of salt water... will it just catch up in flames hehe
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atomic glue...pi mesons
If these Mesons are only in existence for a while then could there maybe be a conversion from mass into kinetic energy or something like that going on related to frequency?
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I didn't know that "Christian sexuality" was a sub-field of chemistry.
Any scientist who toots his own horn like this is.... well, should be looked at very skeptically.
Why is this on fox news and YouTube and not in an academic journal? Hoist the red flag, cap'n!
What?? Didn't he claim to have already made the "discovery"? Usually "research," especially funded research, is done before the "discovery," you know -- they fund research in the hopes that a discovery will result....
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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They must be pretty interested if they approached him? How can Fox News or YouTube print a story like this if it nots true? I mean they must have some evidence that it works? Unless its a hoax of some kind, but I dont really think so. Ive been suggesting for a while that light frequencies could possiblly play a part at the atomic level in my Cosmic Ray threads. It may sound crazy but it makes sense to meWhat?? Didn't he claim to have already made the "discovery"? Usually "research," especially funded research, is done before the "discovery," you know -- they fund research in the hopes that a discovery will result....
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Fox News quotes some AP wire story. They don't care. AP got most of it from local paper Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, who mostly just repeated the claims of those involved.
YouTube? Now YouTube is journalism? YouTube will host videos that are submitted. They really don't care.
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Likely Roy is looking for funding and don't mind exagerating. Microwaves photons likely free a bit of hydrogen from salt water, but megawatt of photons are needed to produce enough hydrogen for a small flame. The probability of cost effective is very low, but I suppose we should give Roy the benefit of the doubt.
I believe ordinary hydrogen burns in oxygen at 3000 degrees f, and an electric hydrogen arc is even hotter.
We can build a perpetual motion machine if the burning hydrogen produces more energy than the microwaves used to separate the hydrogen. Perpetual motion is a reliable scam alert. Neil
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Well that kind of scares meI didn't know that "Christian sexuality" was a sub-field of chemistry.
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I remember Tusenfem saying something in one of my other threads about doing a similiar experiment in school. He said they could make regular water burn in much the same way? By releasing the Oxygen or Hydrogen. Something to that effect?Likely Roy is looking for funding and don't mind exagerating. Microwaves photons likely free a bit of hydrogen from salt water, but megawatt of photons are needed to produce enough hydrogen for a small flame. The probability of cost effective is very low, but I suppose we should give Roy the benefit of the doubt.
I believe ordinary hydrogen burns in oxygen at 3000 degrees f, and an electric hydrogen arc is even hotter.
We can build a perpetual motion machine if the burning hydrogen produces more energy than the microwaves used to separate the hydrogen. Perpetual motion is a reliable scam alert. Neil
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Well, let's see. that is how the microwave oven works. Nothing with harmonics or anyhting. The microwave oven radiates RF into the product, let's take water for simplicity. Now the RF frequency is tuned to a vibrational state of the water molecules. The molecules will resonate with the waves, gaining energy, and thus the water is heated. Now, I can imagine that one can pump in so much energy that the molecular bonds break, dunno how much energy that will take, but it must be a lot.
Basically RF waves are in the same region as the vibrational frequencies of lots of molecules, but if indeed the energy that is being pumped in can break up molecular bonds to free H for example, I doubt it.
Fox news is not like the best source for physics.
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No, in the other thread I was talking about electrolysis, where you place a anode and cathode in water and put a voltage on them. Then you will have oxygen at the anode and hydrogen at the cathode. This usually is done in a double glass tube so the oxygen and hydrogen are separated in different containers. Otherwise you get "knalgas" (dunno the english word) which is also fun, but not in great quantities.
So this is something completely different (mmm that's a Monty Python kinda closure).
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