BSG Season 4 rumor mill....

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WARNING: Spoilers may follow. Or disinformation put out by Ron D. Or just a load of hogwash from dubious sources.



We won't learn who the Final Fiver (heck, *the* final cylon) is for a long time -- they're going to drag that out nearly to the end.

Starbuck is the "savior" somehow, and she doesn't really know what she is. She's been to earth somehow, whether corporeal or not, they don't know.

Col. Tgh (remember, he lost the 'i' ) is pretty much in denial (which they say Hogan can play well because he doesn't want his character to be a Cylon. They said he was floored by it). However, he develops an interesting relationship with CapSix (and with Head Baltar playing it, too), trying to learn all he can about what it means to be a Cylon, and what a Final Fiver is from her as much as he can. Remember that last scene with her and Tigh? They say more of that rocking and rolling is to come.

The other Seven become divided. They don't know much about who are what the Final Five are either -- it's the stuff of legend and rumor, with different opinions. They learn about the Dylon Four, and become divided over what to do. They break down along gender lines, the boys vs. girls and have a little civil war, with one side getting boxed.

During that, it turns out that the Centurians are actually capable of sensient thought, but that ability is supressed by the humanoids to maintain control. During that fight, that ability gets turned on, and the Centurians take sides.

Whichever side prevails ultimately unboxes Xena because she knows things they need to know.

Now, as to the nature of the Final Five. It's going to be the ol' "this has all happened before, and it will happen again" thing. Apparently "Human vs Cylon" has been an eternal theme, playing out over and over again, with different actors playing different roles in the same play, etc etc. The Final Five are somehow part of the last incarnation of "Cylon", which might go back to Kobol. They are somehow the gods to the cylons in the same way the Lords of Kobol are to the humans.

And finally, Baltar. Remember a little cult, *of women* had sprung up around him. Well, he gets into full wacked-out cult leader mode (with HeadSix playing that, of course), and has a harem of all his devoted female followers. Don't you just hate him? If you thought that little Menage-a-Psychosis with Xena and CapSix was something, you ain't seen nothing yet.

*****Big time spoiler, if true: DOUBLE WARNING************




Cally blows her brains out when she learns the Chief is a Cylon.

Whether any of this is true, I don't know, but that's the current rumor mill.

-Richard

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WARNING, don't read read this if you don't want to know, and again this is just the rumor mill, it may true or it may be crap.

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Apparently, the colonials are going to get to digging into the ancient texts about the 13th colony and Earth, trying to find out more information, and probably with all sorts of Roslin visions and other stuff.

They discover the name of the 13th tribe. You know, the 12 all have Zodiac-like names, and so the 13th should have a name as well. Well, they discover that name is [play the Jaws or Halloween music] ...............

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the name is .................................................. .........


................................. it's .................................................. .......

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.................................................. .................................. pronounced


"CYLON"! [SHRIEK!]

All of this has happnened before and it will happen again. Play around with that and you may get some ideas on where this is going........and how come the Dylon Four were "activated" when they get to the particular point in space.

-Richard

[CodeSlinger]

Where is all this coming from, some undisclosed internet source or your own fertile imagination?

[publius]

Where is all this coming from, some undisclosed internet source or your own fertile imagination?

Actually, a disclosed internet source mostly and various bulletin boards that discuss BSG. The best spoiler site that I know of is one called the "Patriot Resource" site, which compiles all the various spoiler claims. It was dead accurate with the Season 3 finale, spilling the beans about the Dylan Four and all that.

http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/in...s/season4.html

Ron Moore gets pretty ticked off when this stuff leaks, and there's been several occasions where he's called up the operators of various boards and asked them to pull info. The Television Without Pity board did that for some of the Season 3 finale spoiler. Someone who got one of those advance copy DVDs spilled the beans there.

So one indicator they use to determine if a spoiler is good is if gets removed from a board.

-Richard

[Certassar]

I've got this theory that, like "kobol" actually refers to the programming language COBOL, the word "cylon" has been misspelled consistently throughout the show. It's actually "Ceylon", the old name for the Republic of Sri Lanka. Now, an anagram for "Republic of Sri Lanka" is "Facial Bulk Prisoner", which pretty much proves my point: Tom Zarek is the true Apollo.

Q.E.D.

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More possible spoilers...................................



Tricia Helfer says CapricaSix is going to fall in love with someone other than Baltar, but ain't saying who. That ought to be good. Some are guessing (Bl)Anders or the Chief, but I'm gonna bet it's old One Eye, Col. Tgh.


Second, she says another Six named "Natalie" is coming on the scene and will play a big role. So, we can wonder about that.

Starbuck gets locked up for the first few episodes -- they assume she's a cylon (which will be funny with One Eye and the rest of the Dylan Four running around). There's a hint there may be a scene where Rosling threatens to do her thing and airlock Starbuck, which ought to be good.

ETA: And this next spoiler is just too good. Don't read it. I ought to be shot for spilling it, but I can't help it:

During the "Razor" movie, where we learn more about the Pegasus and Adm. Caine, we're going to find out just why Caine despised Gina so much and had her gang raped. It goes way beyond merely being a Cylon.

DON'T READ THIS:

You see, it turns out Caine and Gina were lovers......................Gina's betrayal really got to her for that reason. Yep, BSG is going to have some obligatory girl-girl stuff, but don't worry (or get excited ), they're apparently not going to show smooching, just let us know they were lovers.


-Richard

[Certassar]

I've read that rumour about Caine/Gina too. However, I just can't believe it. But we'll see. Your spoiler info for the end of season 3 turned out to be quite accurate.

Hmmm, when I think of it, it might actually be in character for #6 to at least attempt such a seduction. A #6 seduced Baltar on Caprica and a #6 (Shelley Godfrey) tried (and failed) to seduce Cmd. Adama. Seduction might be the actual role of the sixes. Maybe each cylon model were designed for a specific role in the cylon scheme for world domination? E.g.:

Sixes: Seduction and manipulation.
Sharon: Infiltration.
Leoben: Anthropologist.
Simon: Physycian.
Doral: Politics?
Xena: Military intelligence?
Cavil: Spiritual/philosophical advisor?

I dunno.

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Not spoliers, but some scheduling crap:

SciFi is considering just showing the first 10 episodes in 2008, the waiting all the way to 2009 to show the last 10! If they do that, I'm going to go postal, I think.

-Richard

[Certassar]

2009??! That's absurd. Maybe they are having trouble keeping the cast from doing a lot of acting elsewhere. I understand that is why Billy was cut from the series (killed), as his contractual obligations elsewhere kept interfering with the BSG filming schedules. And after 3-4 years of running from the cylons one can't blame an actor for preparing for a post-BSG life and carreer.

But 2009? That really sucks. I hope it's not Razor that ruined their schedule.

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As I understand it, they're going to shoot the entire season right now. I'm not sure where they are exactly now, but they're going to do all 20, then it's over. It's just SciFi is thinking about holding the last half another year to drag it out.

-Richard

[Certassar]

I just got Season 3 on DVD, and again I'm wondering why they didn't include the commentary tracks. Could it be something as silly as political correctness issues because of Ron D. Moore's smoking and drinking during the commentary? (If so, couldn't they at least have included the commentary in the region 2 versions? ;-) )

[Extravoice]

SciFi is considering just showing the first 10 episodes in 2008, the waiting all the way to 2009 to show the last 10! If they do that, I'm going to go postal, I think.

When are they going to start showing the next season on SciFi? I thought it was this fall (2007), but it sounds like you are saying they won't even start until sometime in 2008. What's that, something like a full year between new episodes?

[Certassar]

@Extravoice: They fill the gap with the spin-off movie, Razor, about Battlestar Pegasus and Admiral Caine. It's to be launched 24 November '07.

[Van Rijn]

Not spoliers, but some scheduling crap:

SciFi is considering just showing the first 10 episodes in 2008, the waiting all the way to 2009 to show the last 10! If they do that, I'm going to go postal, I think.

-Richard

Ouch. Part of the reason I didn't find this last season as interesting was simply because it had been so long since I had seen it previously. That wasn't the only reason, of course, but it's hard to maintain interest in an intense series when that intensity has faded in your mind.

[publius]

When are they going to start showing the next season on SciFi? I thought it was this fall (2007), but it sounds like you are saying they won't even start until sometime in 2008. What's that, something like a full year between new episodes?

Jan. 2008 is when S4 is supposed to start. "Razor", the two-hour Pegasus (plus other backstory) movie will air Nov. 27, 2007.

What the swine are thinking of doing is dragging it out, and just showing the first 10 episodes, then waiting 'til Jan. 2009 to show the final 10. Sci-Fi ordered 20 episodes, and they're going to produce all 20 in a run. They've already shot a bunch, but I'm not sure exactly where they are.

One of the criticisms was 20 episodes was too many, and so quality suffered. Ron D. wanted to be sure where he stood so he could end the story properly. Some suggested maybe they should go with two more 13 episode seasons rather than just one more 20 episode one. But they went with the one 20 episode.

If the pull this 10-10 split thing, then they'll be effectively trying to do two more seasons for the price of one.

-Richard

[publius]

Ouch. Part of the reason I didn't find this last season as interesting was simply because it had been so long since I had seen it previously. That wasn't the only reason, of course, but it's hard to maintain interest in an intense series when that intensity has faded in your mind.

What I do is watch several of the previous episodes right before the new one starts so I can get ramped up again.

Heck, the TV Without Pity BSG section is doing a "Great Re-Watch" thing right now, starting out from the very beginning. Every week, they "officially" re-watch an episode and (re-)discuss it.

-Richard

[Launch window]

Ouch. Part of the reason I didn't find this last season as interesting was simply because it had been so long since I had seen it previously. That wasn't the only reason, of course, but it's hard to maintain interest in an intense series when that intensity has faded in your mind.

I almost stopped watching the series and I'm still not sure if I'll be bothered to tune in again. The series just got to soapy and dull for me, I also feel some of the sub-plots were bad, they had unnecessary political commentary plots were just added for shock value such as the mommy in space arc, rape of prisoners, battlestar baghdad, starbucks ovaries, and killing off characters for no reason. In places violence was being used for the sake of showing violence and personally I watch scifi to be entertained by a storyline about a future society. I don't watch scifi to see how depraved and backward to human race can be and I am not entertained by seeing people stab each other in the back or sell out their own mothers. Maybe the series will make a U-turn and get back on the road, maybe Cylons do have a plan, but the show has changed for the worse ever since producers David Eick left to do his own Bionic Woman stuff and producer Moore went off to do another remake of The-Thing

[Van Rijn]

What I do is watch several of the previous episodes right before the new one starts so I can get ramped up again.

Heck, the TV Without Pity BSG section is doing a "Great Re-Watch" thing right now, starting out from the very beginning. Every week, they "officially" re-watch an episode and (re-)discuss it.

-Richard

There was just no way I was going to rewatch those episodes. There might be one or two, maybe, but several? Nah. I didn't have nearly that level of interest or dedication.

[Van Rijn]

I almost stopped watching the series and I'm still not sure if I'll be bothered to tune in again. The series just got to soapy and dull for me, I also feel some of the sub-plots were bad, they had unnecessary political commentary plots were just added for shock value such as the mommy in space arc, rape of prisoners, battlestar baghdad, starbucks ovaries, and killing off characters for no reason.

Yes, I found myself almost falling asleep during some episodes, and I don't care for the obvious political stuff either. On the other hand, I understand how hard it can be to keep an intense show going. And, it's pretty obvious this wasn't supposed to be a happy show.

In places violence was being used for the sake of showing violence and personally I watch scifi to be entertained by a storyline about a future society. I don't watch scifi to see how depraved and backward to human race can be and I am not entertained by seeing people stab each other in the back or sell out their own mothers. Maybe the series will make a U-turn and get back on the road, maybe Cylons do have a plan, but the show has changed for the worse ever since producers David Eick left to do his own Bionic Woman stuff and producer Moore went off to do another remake of The-Thing

I thought it started out well. I liked the story with the remnant of imperfect humans fleeing the genocidal Cylons. I'm not so impressed with soap opera either.

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Another interesting possible plot development follow. As always, this may or may not be true, and don't read if you don't want to be spoiled.





There's going to be a shake up of the head characters. Baltar somehow looses Head Six, but gains Head Baltar. That is, the Head Baltar in Cap Six's head moves to real Baltar's head. It wasn't said if Head Six would move into Cap Six's head.

That ought to be different. That means James Callis is going to have play against himself. That takes talent to pull off well. I think he can do it, but we'll see. And I think Tricia could pull it off too.

-RIchard

[CodeSlinger]

Those "head" characters are one of the many things I can't begin to properly hypothesize about. Are they inner constructs of the host characters, or are they avatars of outside entities? If the latter, will we ever meet the entities that controlled these head characters?

[vonmazur]

When they let accountants run things other than accounting firms, this is the result.....Whatever happened to "Ars gratia Artis"??? What is it now?? "Ars gratia Pecuniae"....

Dale

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The usual spoiler warnings and caveats..........







While "Razor" will be about the Pegasus and give us some backstory about the first Cylon war, it will apparently drop a bombshell at the end as big as shocking as the Boomer reveal at the end of the miniseries. Someone purported to be in the know is quoted as saying it will be:

"probably the best BSG ending since Boomer walked onto Ragnar Station with the other Cylons at the end of the miniseries." All I'll say is it involves someone uttering the following words: "*a*a ****c* **** **ad t*e ****n **** ** i** **d. *** is the ****** ** *** ***c*l****, the ********* ** *****. **** must *** ****** ***."

He gave us a little Wheel of Fortune style puzzle. Someone with a lot more patience than me found the following fits:

"Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end. She is the bearer(mother/source) of the apocalypse, the destroyer of Earth. They must not follow her."

This also fits, if spoken by a Cylon:

"Kara Thrace will lead the cylon race to its end. She is the mother (bearer) of our apocalypse, the protector of Earth. They must not follow her."

And something else might work as well.

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And I'm seeing more stuff that the Final Five, including the Dylan Four that we know are essentially "gods". They are immortal with great power, they just don't know (and probably because they chose to not know and play their respective roles as the characters we know). They are to Cylon what the Lords of Kobol are to human. If the part about the name of thirteenth tribe is "Cylon" is accurate, then I suspect that the Final Five are the "the five who serve the one whose name cannot be spoken".

There are spoilers hints that the fleet will be divided again into two factions (as apparently the Cylons themselves will be). I suspect the Dylan Four will be in one group, and Starbuck leading the other. That is we'll have Dylan Four vs Starbuck, and the question will be which is good and which is evil, which path leads to salvation, which to destruction. Haven't heard that, mind you, just guessing.

-Richard

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For those who haven't seen it anywhere, here an S4 promo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg

And, relevant to everything above, Ron D. Moore has confirmed he's been putting out disinformation, fake spoilers to throw everyone off track.

-Richard

[SeanF]

And, relevant to everything above, Ron D. Moore has confirmed he's been putting out disinformation, fake spoilers to throw everyone off track.

Maybe he's lying when he says he's been putting out disinformation. After all, when somebody admits to being a liar, can you believe them when they say they're lying?

I had never watched the new BG, but a friend loaned me the first season DVDs and I'm about half way through them. Darn good show - I wish I had been watching it from the beginning.

I don't understand what the hoopla was about Tricia Helfer, though - Grace Park is a far more attractive woman. Heck, Mary McDonnel is more attractive than Helfer...

[CodeSlinger]

Agreed; I'm a much bigger fan of the actress that plays Kelly than Tricia Heifer.

[SeanF]

Agreed; I'm a much bigger fan of the actress that plays Kelly than Tricia Heifer.

She's the assistant to the hangar deck chief, right? Agreed.

And we can probably add Starbuck and Duella (the communications officer) and push Helfer right out of the top five.





Really, though, the women are not the only reason I'm watching the show....

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I like them all. The reason many are so enamored with Tricia Helfer is everyone assumed she was just eye-candy, being a Canadian supermodel, and had no real talent otherwise. But she impressed them. And I will say she does pretty good myself, although the eye-candy aspects may influence my judgement. She does well with the Many Faces of Six. She gives each one a different personality.

Mary McDonnell is indeed pleasing to the eye. According to some of the spoiler hints, she and PopAdama may have another falling out. However, if at the end of this, Ron D. doesn't let those two get together, I'm gonna explode. He teases us with that all the time, and has Adama act oblivious. Several times I've screamed at the TV, "Idiot! She's practically begging, you're wide open!"

-Richard

[CodeSlinger]

She's the assistant to the hangar deck chief, right? Agreed.

And we can probably add Starbuck and Duella (the communications officer) and push Helfer right out of the top five.

I was about to type that Kelly and Duella are much more than just Chief's assistant and comm officer now, but then I remembered you saying that you're still watching the 1st season. I will keep my mouth shut and let you enjoy the plot twists. Just please be careful where your eyes wander in this thread

The reason many are so enamored with Tricia Helfer is everyone assumed she was just eye-candy, being a Canadian supermodel, and had no real talent otherwise. But she impressed them. And I will say she does pretty good myself, although the eye-candy aspects may influence my judgment. She does well with the Many Faces of Six. She gives each one a different personality.

I hadn't thought of this, but it's very true.

[WHarris]

Agreed; I'm a much bigger fan of the actress that plays Kelly than Tricia Heifer.

I think you mean Cally.