Star Trek Enterprise

[Mihaita]

Does anyone here enjoy Star Trek Enterprise? It seems to me that this is the best Star Trek series of them all. Do you people agree with this?

[Doodler]

No.

Star Trek: TNG Season 5-7
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Seasons 4-6

[R.A.F.]

What do you mean, no? The question was, does ANYONE here enjoy Enterprise...

[Larry Jacks]

I liked the premise of Enterprise - telling the story of humanity's first attempts to explore deep space when the rules of the road weren't understood and the technology was immature. Sometimes, I liked the execution of the premise, other times, not so much. I really didn't care for the temporal cold war story line.

[captain swoop]

TOS and some Next Gen for me.

Enterprise was so disappointing, I was waiting for the first contacts with the klingons and Romulans, the wars and treaties that resulted in the formation of the Federation.

ho hum

[SeanF]

I enjoyed Enterprise, especially the last season, but I'm pretty sure I'd put TOS and DS9 ahead of it.

[Swift]

Does anyone here enjoy Star Trek Enterprise? It seems to me that this is the best Star Trek series of them all. Do you people agree with this?

Overall, I didn't. I think it was a great concept, the casting was generally ok, the special effects were great. The first season was ok as far as script writing went, but it went downhill after that. I dislike that they went against the continuum of history from the previous series. They lost me with all the stupid time travel - time-travelling Nazi aliens were the straw that broke this camel's back.

[Moose]

Mmm. I genuinely enjoyed Enterprise, but I would have enjoyed it a lot more had they gotten Manny Coto writing one heckuvalot sooner. Especially if that meant Brannon Bragha was never permitted within six city blocks of a keyboard, typewriter, or ball-point pen. I still say Bragha has a metric Targ-load of blackmail material on Rick Berman.

Coombs, as Shran of the Andorians, was a stroke of genius. Probably the single best casting decision they made in the series.

[Tucson_Tim]

Star Trek: TNG Season 5-7

You nailed it - especially season 5.

[CJSF]

I enjoyed Enterprise, but felt monumentally let down by the writing and some of the story arcs. By the time they started perhaps getting in a positive direction, it was too late and it got cancelled.

Because of that, and the X-files teasing and non-fulfulment, I've given Heroes the brush off and haven't bothered to see the last 3 episodes of last season. It's just not worth the investment.

CJSF

[Amber Robot]

What do you mean, no? The question was, does ANYONE here enjoy Enterprise...

I think he was responding to this:

It seems to me that this is the best Star Trek series of them all. Do you people agree with this?

[NorthGuy]

I definitely don't rate it above the best episodes of the other series, but I really liked the opening credits.

[Noclevername]

Enterprise, like Voyager, had a lot of wasted potential. They could have made it a true prequel to the Star Trek franchise, but instead chose to go with formulaic sci-fi.

I heard the last season was better (after B&B got the boot!) but by then I had long since gotten fed up and stopped watching.

[Gillianren]

Put it this way. I adore Scott Bakula. I gave up on Enterprise about five episodes in.

[Ronald Brak]

Weird stuff in Star Trek Enterprise:

They land on a comet and walk around normally. This is fair enough as low gee low special effects are expensive and difficult and would probably look fake anyway. I was willing to over look this, but then they rub it in by having a character fall down and break a leg in what should almost be a zero gee environment.

They examine an alien personal weapon that has all sorts of advanced features as as regenerating organic power cells and a self destruct mechanism, but the weapon lacks the very basic ability of being able to shoot straight when aimed at a main character.

A macho male torture fantasy scene where an alien basically mocks humans as being soft so Archer proves he's macho by torturing him in an airlock and gets "vital infomation" despite the alien believing he is going to be killed anyway. The survival of the Enterprise pretty much hinged on the tortured alien not lying or simply telling the Captain what he wanted to hear. (If aliens captured me I wouldn't mock them as being weak, I'd worry about being probed.)

There is an extreme aversion to having anything made out of a real world substance or described as a real phenomenon. A starship hull can never be made out of titanium, it has to be some made up substance. People are never electrocuted, they are killed by isolytic energy (whatever that is).

Alien societies, even pre-industrial never have sexism and sexes have no restrictions on their interaction. This is despite the fact that they apparently have human sexual drives and can get the hots for the Captain.

A slave dealer says he has many alien females for sale and for some reason they all have breasts. The one with the largest breasts begs the captain to save her and he endangers his mission to save humanity to do so.

Minor nitpick - A clone is describes as a perfect genetic copy right down to a birthmark. Birthmarks aint genetic.

Obviously I could go on and on. But as my friend says, bad science fiction is better than no science fiction at all. However, I haven't deciced if she is right yet.

[Maksutov]

For me Enterprise started going downhill right after the decontamination scene in the first episode.

[Tog]

I liked it overall. I watched all of it at any rate. I think I dropped Voyager after the third episode. I liked the opening credits, too. I thought they summed up what the show was supposed to be very well. As for the show itself, it could have been a whole lot better. I really didn't see a whole lot of rewriting of Trek history in it. Most of what I saw were clumsy attempts to retcon the differences between TOS and TNG.

One thing that did bug me though, in both TNG and Enterprise, was the choice for security chief. Worf was horrible in that role. Malcom was worse. I think the sec Chief should be someone who is willing to assess the situation and respond appropriately, not some "on to Battle and Glory" guy or even worse some, "well, were doomed, let's pack it in" type. Other than that, and Councelor Troi, I liked the casting well enough. Well, maybe not T'Pol and her ultra tight suit that forced most of her body into her lips.

[Occam]

Hated it. Turned off the first episode in disgust. I tried another episode later in the season and never watched it again. TNG just got better and better on the whole and I'm possibly the only person who liked NEMESIS. Loved the classic series but its style fares quite badly today.

[Maksutov]

[edit]Well, maybe not T'Pol and her ultra tight suit that forced most of her body into her lips.

Hey, one out of three ain't bad!

[Gillianren]

For me Enterprise started going downhill right after the decontamination scene in the first episode.

Oh, yeah. That was a lot of slathering.

[Noclevername]

There is an extreme aversion to having anything made out of a real world substance or described as a real phenomenon. A starship hull can never be made out of titanium, it has to be some made up substance. People are never electrocuted, they are killed by isolytic energy (whatever that is).

That way, they don't have to give them real-world properties (which would entail doing actual research!), they can make up whatever they like. (I just wish they'd done that for the episode where they had to go to a planet of "deuterium" miners to refuel! )

Alien societies, even pre-industrial never have sexism and sexes have no restrictions on their interaction. This is despite the fact that they apparently have human sexual drives and can get the hots for the Captain.

A slave dealer says he has many alien females for sale and for some reason they all have breasts. The one with the largest breasts begs the captain to save her and he endangers his mission to save humanity to do so.

Hey, it's television.

[Trantor]

I've watched most of the episodes in Enterprise's four seasons. I consider it to be the weakest series in Star Trek, but I still enjoyed most of it. Lately, I have been rewatching the series on Sci-Fi Channel, and yesterday I watched the season four two part episode set in the Mirror Universe. I have never seen this episode before, and it was excellent. I am really enjoying season four.

[Noclevername]

For me Enterprise started going downhill right after the decontamination scene in the first episode.

Darn family-friendly board rules.

[Daffy]

I wanted to like it, I really did, but the producers' total, utter lack of interest in continuity ruined it for me.

[Noclevername]

I wanted to like it, I really did, but the producers' total, utter lack of interest in continuity ruined it for me.

B&B have admitted that they aren't ST fans, and consider the series to be a less than serious endeavor. If you don't take your job seriously, then no matter what, you are going to produce shoddy work.

[Tucson_Tim]

Loved the classic series but its style fares quite badly today.

Same here. I really loved ST Classic, when I was a kid. Now, I try to watch the episodes but they grate on me. But it still has a place in my heart.

[R.A.F.]

I think he was responding to this:

It seems to me that this is the best Star Trek series of them all. Do you people agree with this?

Still no difference. If Doodler had said, "not all people would agree with that, fact is many here think it is the worst ST series", that would be different.

[Daffy]

B&B have admitted that they aren't ST fans, and consider the series to be a less than serious endeavor. If you don't take your job seriously, then no matter what, you are going to produce shoddy work.

I didn't know they said that. Wow...you gotta love how "creative" deals are made in Hollywood. The well connected get the deals...and the creative get shown the door.

[Tucson_Tim]

Pardon a dumb question but who/what is B&B?

[Noclevername]

Pardon a dumb question but who/what is B&B?

Rick Berman and Brannon Braga , the despoilers of dreams.