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My wife recently purchased a box ofcardboard pieceshigh-fiber cereal called "Fiber One 80." Apparently "Fiber One" is a product line, and the 80 refers to the Calories per serving.
Every time I read "Fiber One 80", I think to myself that the product is somehow the opposite of "Fiber."
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Ok; a house explodes, the road is closed, you got fire department all over the place, and most importantly you have a news crew standing in front of the house filming.
Now; what's the first thing you are going to confirm...
I can hear the reporter now. "Officer, is this house truly here on this street where we are standing?"Police confirm the house is located on Dunham.
Ok; I can understand that maybe the report was written before they got to the scene and the quote is the result of them confirming where to send the crew. But; the story was updated as "still on the scene" hours after it happened.
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I know we mentioned "odds of lightning striking" and how the odds change considerably with how you can control them. But; I just saw this one compared to the lottery jackpot.
You'll probably have twins before winning Powerball
Ok; I can change my odds considerably by just buying a ticket or not. But; the odds of me having twins as a male in his 50's? I don't even know what actions to take to try to increase those odds.*
There's probably a lot more in this article to laugh about, but they are missing the link to the list.
At the time of this post, the article ends with:
With a link to the lottery odds, but nothing about the other "more likely" items.Here’s are the odds of you becoming an instant millionaire, and here’s a list of things that are a lot more likely.
Does that mean there isn't anything more likely than winning the lottery.
*ETA:
What makes that comment even more interesting is that the link on CNN is in close proximity to the one titled "'Pregnant' man's divorce drama"
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From CNN's front page:
Now I'm picturing one of those sappy, cheesy movies where a lost spirit sits reliving his last day on earth.
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Actually, the headline two further down also seems funny to me, assuming they mean "scared" by "petrified." It's like saying:Originally Posted by Fazor
Man who stepped on tack: It hurt
Duh.
As above, so below
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I had to jump back on my laptop before bed for one more, this one from the local news. 94 year old woman was the victim of a home invasion today. Trying to make the story "scarier," the reported added this nugget:
"Neighbors said they too were the victims of a home invasion earlier this week, though nobody was home at the time."
. . . well, then that's a burglary. Not a home invasion.
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You're saying that if there's somebody at home, then
the burglars are invading, but if there's nobody at home,
then the invaders are burglarizing?
Yeah, you're an insurance salesman, all right.
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It's the difference between theft and assault. You don't need to be an insurance agent to distinguish.
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Technically, a home invasion can also draw a burglary charge. At least it can where I live. The burglary bit is done by entering or remaining unlawfully for the purposes of theft or other felony. Forcing your way in is definitely that.
The other side is sort of silly though. People have to be present for a home invasion to be a "Home Invasion."
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"Home invasion" isn't an actual legal term, at least not in Ohio. In speech, it means forcing your way into an occupied dwelling and is really only used if the occupants are threatened. It may or may not be part of a robbery attempt (could also be harassment, kidnapping, whatever.)
*Burglary - Breaking into a structure that a reasonable person might think to be occupied.
*Breaking and Entering - Breaking into a structure that a reasonable person should believe to be unoccupied (eg, a school at midnight.)
The "family that was not home at the time" would fall under burglary. The "home invasion" would actually be a robbery charge.
And yes, I know that "burglars invade a home." Still not what a home invasion is.
ETA: *According to Ohio Revised Code circa 2005, to the best of my recollection. Results may vary by state. Consult your doctor before participating in either crime to make sure your heart is healthy enough. Side effects include prison time, gunshot wounds, and a persistent burning rash. Please discontinue crime immediately if you feel dizziness or morality. Crime may not be suitable for everyone, and shouldn't be undertaken by children under the age of 3.
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... it means forcing your way into an occupied dwelling and is really only used if the occupants are threatened. It may or may not be part of a robbery attempt (could also be harassment ...
IOW, when the in-laws come for a visit.
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Yes! And from what I understand, down in your parts it's not only legal to shoot the intruders, but encouraged.
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Or when adult children come to visit.
...It may or may not be part of a robbery attempt...
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From this story about a man using replica "Wolverine blades" on his roommate.
So, was the attacker restrained at the scene, or was it someone else? If he was restrained, why did it take two days to find him, and who cleaned up the blood? Maybe I'm not clear on what "restrained" means to today's press.The two men tumbled down the stairs, deputies wrote. Other people in the apartment — including the accused attacker’s mother — restrained the victim’s roommate. The mother also suffered a cut to her left arm, which required stitches, deputies wrote. Investigators found blood around the house but noted that much of the blood appeared to have been cleaned up.
The roommate was not at the apartment that day, but officers found him there two days later, deputies wrote.
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An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.
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I find that trying to understand a timeline in the news today is a very difficult thing. So many times it makes a big difference.
(For example "He was reported missing, and was lost for days when they found him.". Doesn't say when they reported him or started looking)
Another one in your article not only gives a clue, but is worded poorly in itself.
I don't know why a hospital would inflict wounds to someone when they arrive.The victim, 20, had suffered multiple wounds when he arrived at a hospital on Aug. 8
Anyway, my suspicion is that police never were involved until he went to the hospital. Although; nothing explains what happened after the mother restrained the roomate.
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Well that does seem like a fun game to play.
"How can we describe something but make it as confusing as humanly possible?"
"I know! Let's refer to the same person in the same sentence twice! . . . using two different descriptions of him! First as the attacker . . . through the perspective of his mother . . . and then as a roommate . . . through the perspective of the victim!"
"Brilliant! You win the awards! All the awards!"
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Somehow I didn't catch that confusion. The article did mention the attacker was a roommate, so I read right past it.
On reading that again... Who were the other people in the apartment? If any were roommates, then we got a problem.
Maybe one roommate was the attacker, and the mother restrained the other roommate so her son would get away.
Starting to look more like a candidate for "bad reporting" instead of "read that again".
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Other people in the apartment — including the accused attacker’s mother — restrained the victim’s roommate.
I read this as saying that the attacker's mother restrained the victim's roommate so her son wouldn't be impeded in his attack.
I didn't read the article, though.
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Can't say that I blame you.
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No, Tog, they don't. A home is defined as one's domicile. It's a building, one's occupancy under the law. Are you arguing that one's legal home of residence is requires one to be present for the residency requirement? Federal law in most countries, including the UK and the US considers this mad.
Well, now you're talking.In my state, who would you rather support? The legal occupant, or the unlawful intruder? Serious, that's what all this boils down to. Do you support the lawful occupants or the illegal squatters?
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Not at all. As Fazor pointed out "Home Invasion" isn't an actual offense. That's why I put it in quotes. If I break into a house when no one is home, it's burglary of a residence. If I break into a house and threaten or assault those present, it's burglary (for entering), assault (force or threat of force), and possibly robbery (if I steal anything). When the news gets hold of the story, it becomes a "Home Invasion Robbery" complete with big scary graphic of a house with crosshairs on it and a man in a ski mask looming up behind. It sounds scarier.
It's similar to a "Hit and Run" accident. The actual crime is "fleeing the scene of an accident" but hit and run is faster to say, and describes it just as well. Think of "Home Invasion" as an asterism. It's a good descriptor that most people know, but it's not the whole picture.
Read it again with the actual meaning of "Home Invasion" in mind.
or, reworded to take the sarcasm out and the unspoken bit added back in:The other side is sort of silly though. People have to be present for a home invasion to be a "Home Invasion."
The other side is sort of silly though. People have to be present for an invasion of their home to be classed as a "Home Invasion." Otherwise, it's just a burglary.
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An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.
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When it looks as if I'm required to parse out the narrative as well as sort out the familial and other relationships amongst a mob of miscreants, I'll look for something else to read.
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Sorry, Tog, but you your claim is ridiculous, and cofounded by Colorado State Law, which allows us, along with most U.S. state laws, to defend any such invasion with deadly force.
In my state, as well as many others, merely breaching the threshold is reasonable grounds for use of deadly force. Amazingly enough, the crime in such areas remains among the lowest throughout the U.S.That's why I put it in quotes. If I break into a house when no one is home, it's burglary of a residence. If I break into a house and threaten or assault those present, it's burglary (for entering), assault (force or threat of force), and possibly robbery (if I steal anything). When the news gets hold of the story, it becomes a "Home Invasion Robbery" complete with big scary graphic of a house with crosshairs on it and a man in a ski mask looming up behind. It sounds scarier.
Not true, and I really don't care what burglers want to call it. If it's my property, and you're illegally crossing the boundaries, particularly if for illicit gain, you're dead.People have to be present for an invasion of their home to be classed as a "Home Invasion." Otherwise, it's just a burglary.
The U.S. Constitution allows me to make that determination. The Colorado State Constitution allows me to make that determinate. In fact, more than 40 of our 50 United States say pretty much the same thing.
Scared? Don't be. Simply don't break and enter thinking you'll get away with it.
Abide by the law, and you have absolutely NOTHING to worry about.
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I think you need to read over these posts again. No one in this thread, and certainly not I, has ever said that someone coming into the house by force could not be met with deadly force. Granted, some states, have a "must flee" law that means they can't fire at an attacker in their home until they have no other means of escape. I live in Utah. We don't have that law. Ours states (basically) that you can fire as long as there is a credible threat to you or your another person. If I come into the living room and see my TV going out the door the person is not threatening me in any way. I can't fire. The night the drunk was beating on my door for five minutes because he had the wrong house and thought we were playing a joke on him, I might have been able to fire, even though he hadn't entered the house.
Here's the fun bit. None of that is relevant to what I said.
A search of the Utah and Colorado criminal code shows a total of zero matches to the term "home invasion." There is no such crime. If someone kicks in your door and robs you, it's burglary for forcing their way in, and robbery for the actual "theft by force." Yes, in some states, mine included, use of deadly force may be justified in either case, but that does not alter the fact that there is no criminal code that uses the term "home invasion" which was my point when I replied to Jeff Root's post that played with the terms.
In short it was a joke that also explained what the term home invasion really says.
Mine too.In my state, as well as many others, merely breaching the threshold is reasonable grounds for use of deadly force. Amazingly enough, the crime in such areas remains among the lowest throughout the U.S.
Tog: People have to be present for an invasion of their home to be classed as a "Home Invasion." Otherwise, it's just a burglary.Let's break this down, shall we?Not true, and I really don't care what burglers want to call it. If it's my property, and you're illegally crossing the boundaries, particularly if for illicit gain, you're dead.
I said that for a criminal to commit a "home invasion" there must be people home. You say that's not true. The most accepted form of use for the non-legal term "Home Invasion" is a person or group forcing their way into a house or other dwelling and robbing the occupants by force or threat of force. Do you agree?
If you do, please explain how a person can rob the people in the house by force, or threat of force, if there are no people in the house.
It has nothing to do with what burglars call anything. It's what the Colorado State criminal code calls it.
If you are home when they break in, it's burglary and robbery. The news calls this a "home invasion."18-4-202. First degree burglary
(1) A person commits first degree burglary if the person knowingly enters unlawfully, or remains unlawfully after a lawful or unlawful entry, in a building or occupied structure with intent to commit therein a crime, other than trespass as defined in this article, against another person or property, and if in effecting entry or while in the building or occupied structure or in immediate flight therefrom, the person or another participant in the crime assaults or menaces any person, or the person or another participant is armed with explosives or a deadly weapon.
18-4-301. Robbery
(1) A person who knowingly takes anything of value from the person or presence of another by the use of force, threats, or intimidation commits robbery.
18-4-401. Theft
(1) A person commits theft when he knowingly obtains or exercises control over anything of value of another without authorization, or by threat or deception, and:
(a) Intends to deprive the other person permanently of the use or benefit of the thing of value; or
(b) Knowingly uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value in such manner as to deprive the other person permanently of its use or benefit; or
(c) Uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value intending that such use, concealment, or abandonment will deprive the other person permanently of its use and benefit; or
(d) Demands any consideration to which he is not legally entitled as a condition of restoring the thing of value to the other person.
(1.5) For the purposes of this section, a thing of value is that of "another" if anyone other than the defendant has a possessory or proprietary interest therein.
If you are not home it's burglary. The news calls this a burglary on the off chance they even report it.
If you are not home and they steal something it's burglary and theft. The news calls this a burglary.
If they illegally cross the boundaries of your home, when you're not there, how do you plan to stop them?
Again, this has nothing to do with anything I said prior to this post.The U.S. Constitution allows me to make that determination. The Colorado State Constitution allows me to make that determinate. In fact, more than 40 of our 50 United States say pretty much the same thing.
I don't get the relevance of this bit at all.Scared? Don't be. Simply don't break and enter thinking you'll get away with it.
Abide by the law, and you have absolutely NOTHING to worry about.
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An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.
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unsurprisingly this is why many other countries consider the us criminal code almost criminal in itself...
us cop shows that most people would/should be considering to show their officers in their `best light' so to speak- usually leave non us citizens absolutely dumbfounded as to what the shows citizens accept as `normal' police practices
not even in the most barbaric countries would the behaviour of the the police shown on tv be even marginally acceptable...
lapd and bad cops has a lot to explain why other countries consider the us justice system little more than a joke
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This thread is supposed to be about funny, or silly, or badly written news stories or other media items.
It is not supposed to be about the linguistics of US laws, the sociology of criminal activities, or any other related topics.
I would ask that everyone drop this whole line of discussion now. It has entirely too much potential for politics and other inappropriate comments.
This is the mild suggestion from a moderator. If this line of discussion continues, it will bring stronger warnings and infractions.
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yawns
how surprising some posters thoughts can be
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I found a mildly amusing tv show episode recently- `cops' where a driver was pulled over for having a defective tail light
now here, we would maybe have a car pulled over for this, with after a quick chat with the driver, a ticket may or may not be issued
at no point is it found necessary for guns to be pulled, the driver to be pushed to the ground and handcuffed while being screamed at
some other people here remind me of that show.....
how amusing is that???
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I would ask that everyone not drop this whole line of discussion now, it has entirely to much potential for appropriate comments that some people feel are uncomfortably close to being accurate facts
this is the whole- are you acting as a moderator or not issue that plagued baut
you cant in all honesty say that that is a `mild suggestion from a moderator'
its nothing of the sort
its shut up or be silenced
true?
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Did it ever occur to you, boppa, that the stuff they show on television is drama? Even if it's real it's embellished. They don't show you the 99% of encounters with the police that are uneventful and boring. People wouldn't watch that.
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