Truedream - please define any terms you use that may differ in any way from the standard definition wrt physics at any level.
Also, be aware of the short leash for failure to answer direct and pertinent questions. There are several awaiting you.
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Truedream - please define any terms you use that may differ in any way from the standard definition wrt physics at any level.
Also, be aware of the short leash for failure to answer direct and pertinent questions. There are several awaiting you.
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The different in between magnetism and gravityOriginally Posted by Fortis
Present magnets are resultant of nucleus and electrons (resultant of two unlike forces)
But gravity is resultant of nucleus and nucleus (resultant of two like forces)
Gravity and magnet
normally we or any laws don’t think about gravity with magnet, but truly gravity plays an important role in magnetism; mainly every matter has its own center of gravity point. The gravity helps to divide the magnet in to two poles or two parts at the time of production of magnet in molten state. That is point at center of gravity where action takes place; center of gravity arranges the domains equally with equal magnetic strength in different poles. So only magnet has there own North & South poles even when broken, because every broken magnet has there own center of gravity.
Did the flux in bar magnet travel from North Pole to South Pole??
Why it travel from N pole to S pole? Why even it can travel from S pole to N pole, because this two pole has equal magnetic strength,
Did really flux travel from one pole to other?
No, 100% not possible flux will not travel from N pole to S pole. Some basic understandings of present magnet are wrong and some changes in basic understanding of magnet will help us to understand gravity.
I have just given as eg : the percentages will not make prefect sense
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You did? Where? and what is your definition of "eg"?
Then how do you apply them? How do you use them? How do you measure them?
If they don't make sense, then the above questions can not be answered, and the line of thought that you are presenting is absolutely useless.
(By the way, these are direct questions, and are forms of direct questions previously asked.)
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Truedream,
I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, this sound likes absolute nonsense.
You don't seem to understand a fundamental thing - it doesn't matter what creative ideas you have if they don't match reality. At some point you have to move beyond the concept and show how your idea actually explains the physical reality of the university by using actual physical data. We are well beyond that point. You need to show some measurement that your data actually explains. Other than the fact that you think it does, you have shown no actual evidence that gravity and magnetism are connected.
If you think, for example, that your theory better explains the orbit of Mercury, then you actually have to calculate the orbit of Mercury, using your theory. Similarly, if you think it explains atomic structure or fusion processes in the sun, then you actually have to show data that confirms that.
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What you need to measure? The magnetic force of nucleus?
The percentages will not make prefect sense because it is proportional to magnetic axis of nucleus,.
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Do you claim that the force between two magnets goes as 1/r2 or as 1/r3?
How did you determine the percentages? Did you just guess and pick numbers at random?I have just given as eg : the percentages will not make prefect sense
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First off, you mean "perfect." Please remember that.
Second, I'd like you to show that it makes any sense. Please. How do you know that your system matches reality?
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"You can't erase icing."
"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
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Do you mean the magnetic moment of the nucleus? If not, can you say how you measure the "magnetic axis" of the nucleus? Perhaps you could say (with appropriate units) how large the magnetic axis of the mercury nucleus is. (Presumably you need to specify which isotope?)
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Yes;
Do you understand that "proportional" means that there are two things with some value that can be measured?
What are they, and how can they be measured.
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can you understand what i am saying
Can you explain me what is gravity?? Then how can you say I am wrong
Greatest drawback of present science, no clear understand about gravity and atom.
Every matter has its own gravity; the source for this own gravity is which I call as nucleus magnetic force of atom. We see this own gravity in physics as center of gravity of an object, so every matter has its own gravity as primary gravity and this primary is connected with near by secondary gravity (earth).
Check this link to see: own gravity of water in balloon (water retains its original shape because of its own gravity) and falls down due to gravity of earth (secondary gravity)
You must need QuickTime player to see this movie
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/Physic...allonMain.html
Evidence for gravity and magnetism are connected
What will happen when two bar magnets placed horizontally??
Sorry for asking questions, I ask question for mainly to compare with my view but answers from you gives surprise for me.
Can you tell me what reality is? What we are taking now is about the source of reality.
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Because pressure in the gas atoms work against gravity (antigravity)
But pressure in the solid atoms work as its support gravity (gravity)
So we can say two type of pressure exist one is anti gravity pressure and other is gravity pressure.
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Okay.
I'm still waiting for the next level of science.
Can someone PM me when it shows up?
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Actually, the pressure in solids works fairly effectively against gravity, which is why the earth isn't collapsing right now...
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Actually we have a pretty good grasp of what gravity is in terms of the geometry of spacetime. There are acknowledged issues regarding how it all fits into a quantum mechanical framework, but you model provides no insight there either.
Anyway, you attempt to explain gravity in terms of magnetism. As you do not seem able to explain what magnetism is, then you have achieved nothing. This is particularly true as you do not appear to understand magnetism beyond the gross level of general attractions and repulsions, i.e. you do not seem to be aware of the quantitative behaviour of magnetic systems.
By the way, we are still awaiting your answers to why "mercury has 55% character of A and 45% character of B atom". (As well as the rest of the unanswered questions.)
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We can measure gravity.
We know discrete measurements of gravity as it relates to different particles.
We know how to forecast the gravity based on the properties of the item making them up. (Much in the same way that the holes in the periodic table were filled)
We know how the measurement of gravity is affected by the environment around it.
Now... Since you can not provide the same concepts...then it shows that you are either wrong, or are not using facts for your rebuttel (which, in my opinion, is wrong).
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True science view about: present magnet
Paramagnetism:
The tendency for most of the transition metals and their compounds in oxidation states involving incomplete inner electron sub shells to move into a magnetic field.
Ferromagnetism: An extreme form of paramagnetism - a property exhibited only by iron, cobalt, nickel, and gadolinium. They have incompletely filled d or f subshells
So incomplete inner electron sub shell is source or result for magnetisms.
Can you tell me what is the true reason for this incomplete inner electron sub shells??????
Same way can you explain me what is orbital axis?
this is one of comments about my theory
magnetfreek Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 1
Post subject: I think that this be the true meaning of all true science and observable fact. It is clear that the last century was extremely misguided and ignored the crystal clear unsolved magnetic issues. the "standard model" does not even attempt to clearly explain all observable phenomena. the construction of the large hadron collider and experimental fusion reactor are entirely baseless. I highly respect your work and expertise.
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Your question is useless when compare to my theory, moreover you don’t understand what I am speaking so only you go for that question
Incomplete inner electron sub shell is source or result for magnetisms.
Can you tell me what is the true reason for this incomplete inner electron sub shells??????
Now let us see in true science view, present magnet (matter) are composed of two magnetic particles such as nucleus and electron. So matter consists of two unlike magnetic force of nucleus magnetic force and electron magnetic force. Nucleus magnetic force was the primary force of matter, this primary magnetic force group together at center of gravity of matter. Primary magnetic force keeps undercontrol or neutralizes the secondary electron magnetic force. But in present magnet some secondary electron magnetic force of electron group together and work against or repels primary magnetic force of nucleus because of it unlike magnetic force. This was the true reason for the incomplete inner electron sub shells.
In Simple about: present magnet
Fight in-between two unlike magnetic force of nucleus and electron is present magnet
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Can you?
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Uhh, how about not enough electrons to fill them??????
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They got the shells from rum-soaked gypsies?
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1. It's a perfectly valid question. You keep saying that things are type A and type B or whatever, but you never explain how we can know which is which. You refered earlier to "perfect" gas and such, and how things apparently can't change state, and yet we were able to find multiple examples of changed state in your own kitchen.
2. It's not our fault you don't make sense. I'm guessing English isn't your first language; is there possibly a science board in your native language where you could present your case and not have to worry about the language barrier?
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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"
"You can't erase icing."
"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
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Yes I could - no I won't. Go read a basic text book about quantum mechanics and the structure of the atom. This stuff has been pretty well understood for close to 100 years. It is not up to us to answer your question, it is up to you to answer ours - go read the rules of this board.
You still have not answered any of the basic questions we have asked you.
And sorry Gillian, but I don't think the problem is truedream's command of English, I think the problem is truedream's understanding about science and having data to back up their wild ideas.
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You said in an earlier post...
I have repeatedly asked you why do you say that it is 55% of character A and 45% of character B. Surely you must know the answer, otherwise why would you have made the claim.we can say mercury has 55% character of A and 45% character of B atom.
Please answer the question.
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Personally, I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B, if you'll pardon the expression. Certainly the poor command of English isn't helping the situation.
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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"
"You can't erase icing."
"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
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I believe that is an important part of what Swift is trying to say. The command of the language would not be a factor if the situation did not exist in the first place.
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I have explained my theories with respect to space, with respect to space there are three types of atom; mainly A type, B type and intermediate atom. A and B type of atom only can exist at core of planet so till now we have not seen this A and B type of atom.
We have seen maximum of intermediate atom till now.
Now let us see with respect to earth (intermediate atoms).
Important points we are speaking about source of every thing
First we are not taking about any newly created force but we are speaking about unidentified or misunderstood basic basic force of nature (atom/ nucleus). About atom, primary character of atom is this magnetic force of nucleus and mass is secondary character of atom. This magnetic force has its own axis, some thing like earth axis.
This force of nature has some different magnetic character so let us call this as magnetic force of nucleus. To understand this magnetic force, let us take gas atom. What is the source for force pressure in gas atom when compressed? Yes pressure in gas atom is resultant force of this nucleus magnetic force (like the force generated in two like bar magnet poles)
Change of state; matter exists in three states; the water can be in the form of solid (atoms are tightly bonded) Liquid (atoms are loosely bonded) and gas (atoms are very loosely bonded). The change from one state to another can be brought about by application or withdrawal of heat. How this same atom bond indifferent levels with help of heat?
What is link in-between heat and atom (bonding)? Bonding is some thing related to attraction and repulsion force.
Change of state in true science view
First primary character of atom is its magnetic force and mass is secondary character of atom, so we have one more medium in between atom and heat, it is magnetic force of atom. This magnetic force of atom is flexible and reacts with heat, pressure and gravity.
Some changes in this magnetic axis will result in the bonding in-between atom.
Magnetic axis of nucleus plays important role in change of state and is proposanal to heat.
So let us imagine; the angle of magnetic axis of nucleus is at 0 degree (vertically) at 0 degree temperature, at this 0 degree all the magnetic force group together without resistance so atoms are tightly bonded (solid).
Like wise the angle of magnetic axis of nucleus is at 45 degree at 45 degree temperature, at this 45 degree all the magnetic force group together with resistance, so atoms are loosely bonded (liquid).
Like wise the angle of magnetic axis of nucleus is at 100 degree at 100 degree temperature, at this 100 degree all the magnetic force will not together because of very high resistance so atoms are very loosely bonded (gas).
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This shows you know many things with support of books and you forget about the new things cannot be found any ware in books. More over me is not slave of books.
Sorry for disturbing present science, you and present science have made every one cool without clear understanding about nature. If I ask you about global warming you simply say climate changes are natural process, Looking back in history there have been warmer climates than now, and every 20,000 years or so an ice-age. These are periods when there was no man made CO2.
So what is source for this natural process??? How this natural cycle works??? What is the reason for acceleration in this natural process???
Can you say what are the possible things can happen because of geo magnetic flip?
What can happen to ozone layer at the time of geo magnetic flip?
Why does Venus rotate backwards from the other planets?
What is orbital axis and how gravity is locked at this orbital axis?
I have just asked question to test how do understood for close to 100 years and you don’t need to answer this question (forum rules).
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truedream
fascinating . nothing like thinking outside the box. where ALL true Discoveries are found !!
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But if you have no understanding of the box, how do you know you are thinking outside of it?
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think againBut if you have no understanding of the box, how do you know you are thinking outside of it?
how much does truedream make you think about the last statements he made ? and what does he not understand , specifically?
further in a way truedream reminds me of when I asked what is water. sure I got explainations from a chemistry point of veiw , bonds ,covalence, dipoles etc. but not why this should lead to a liquid. I relise that there is a consequence of the bonds etc. hence a liquid we call water. but why , that is the deeper question.
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