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[truedream]

"True science” vs “Standard model"

These are some of comments about my theory

magnetfreek Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 1
Post subject: I think that this be the true meaning of all true science and observable fact. It is clear that the last century was extremely misguided and ignored the crystal clear unsolved magnetic issues. the "standard model" does not even attempt to clearly explain all observable phenomena. the construction of the large hadron collider and experimental fusion reactor are entirely baseless. I highly respect your work and expertise.

Re: true final theory by true science
True science is one that is self-evident, and simple to understand, it is the way of life unfolding, science is about understanding, understanding ourselves, then when we do this we see that true science, is about unfolding the life principle, and revealing the bud, that one day will flower.
regards michael.

Baudrunner 12-09-2006, 09:09 PM
I think that there is Reality Science and Pseudo Science. Your acceptance of the fundamental principle of how paramagnetic molecules line up points to a desire to learn more about real knowledge, and therefore, reality science.
If the vandals hadn't sacked the library at Alexandria almost two thousand years ago, we would all know a whole lot more.
The acquisition of knowledge has followed an Empirical path. Empiricism means; learning from that which has gone before. That is science.
"There is nothing permanent except change"


Daniel Berenyi, 16 Mar 2007
Interesting subject. Relativity made EVERYONE confused about the sunsets first. Then -when the first few brilliant minds realized Earth was turning and Sun was not orbiting our planet -the Great Inquisition had fought the idea.With fire and iron as I recall the fate of Giordano Bruno and Galileo.
Gravity came into our common view after Sir Isaac Newton had been born. Relativity was still very active thus confusion reigned over science and declining religious dogma ever since.
Now is the time to get clear views on gravity -just like we did with sunsets. Falling objects are NOT ACCELERATING. After they hit the ground the fallen objects move SLOWER than before their fall!

Please check the link of online review of truescience at
http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e-science.html

http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...nce-ready.html
What is theory of every thing ?
Basic law of science which unify all fundamental forces.Yes ,we are searching for basic law of science from advance level, that is we have Already Constracted a big building with out basement or foundation and finally trying to Construct the basement of the building was it possible, even not possible after hundreds and thousands of years by present science, only possible by true science. First we don’t know the clear basic of atom.

The Standard Model is a good theory. Experiments have verified its predictions to incredible precision, and all the particles predicted by this theory have been found. But it does not explain everything. For example, gravity is not included in the Standard Model.
yes, 50% of science is hidden in the name of gravity, that is did present science is 50% incomplete science!!!!

[Swift]

Ok, I'm ready. When will you explain it?

[NEOWatcher]

Ok, I'm ready. When will you explain it?

I back up that comment...

Besides; when should a model explain something? Isn't a model just a way of putting things in order so scientific principles have an easier time with the explainations?

And; When does unification become the entire scope of science?

Lastly; and most importantly; what are your thoughts on these things? Why are you posting this stuff? It makes you sound like a parrot with no independent thought.

[Mister Earl]

I just want to say I like how he referrs to "real science" without backing anything up scientifically.

[Mister Earl]

Just noticed this was his first, and ONLY post. Ad bot or something?

[NEOWatcher]

Just noticed this was his first, and ONLY post. Ad bot or something?

I suspected that to, but we haven't even hit the 24 hour mark yet, so I will wait...

[truedream]

Ok, I'm ready. When will you explain it?

What is special about water???

What is proof for antigravity in water???

A material that is strongly attracted to a magnet is said to have a high permeability. Iron and steel are two examples of materials with very high permeability, and they are strongly attracted to magnets. Liquid oxygen is an example of something with a low permeability, and it is only weakly attracted to a magnetic field. Water has such a low permeability that it is actually slightly repelled by magnetic fields.

why water is repelled by magnetic fields?? First,did any one know Clear process of magnet or magnetic field ?

Science had missed important subject magnetism of atom and misunderstood about existence of Magnetism in atom. But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of gravity,weight,pressure, density, positive or negatively charged, chemical bonding, etc.

Ok,present gravity of earth was the result of mainly four source of gravity field.Flux of sun (gravity of sun), gravity of solid core, gravity of liquid core and gravity of atmosphere.

Points to remember dont only see the mass its useless, see only the force of it. Let us separate Earth into tree main parts, solid core, liquid core and atmosphere. With respect earth: solid core is made up of high gravity atom, liquid core is made up of semi gravity atom and atmosphere is made up of anti gravity atoms.

[NEOWatcher]

Just about 24 hours... Anyway, I'm still having a difficult time trying to understand what you are trying to say, but I do have a few comments.

Science had missed important subject magnetism of atom and misunderstood about existence of Magnetism in atom. But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of gravity,weight,pressure, density, positive or negatively charged, chemical bonding, etc.

What did they miss? All the observations are consistent with the theories.

Ok,present gravity of earth was the result of mainly four source of gravity field.Flux of sun (gravity of sun), gravity of solid core, gravity of liquid core and gravity of atmosphere.

Only 4? it also includes the gravity of the crust, the trees, the ocean, all the little critters, etc.
Otherwise, what is different with the 4 sources you state. Why is there a distinction? They have mass, and the gravity is in proportion to their mass.

Points to remember dont only see the mass its useless, see only the force of it. Let us separate Earth into tree main parts, solid core, liquid core and atmosphere. With respect earth: solid core is made up of high gravity atom, liquid core is made up of semi gravity atom and atmosphere is made up of anti gravity atoms.

If atmosphere is anti-gravity, then we would not have one.

[truedream]

I'm still having a difficult time trying to understand what you are trying to say,What did they miss? All the observations are consistent with the theories..

you better check links given in the above to understand, it is very hard to expline new theory by few words.(english is my second langage)

Only 4? it also includes the gravity of the crust, the trees, the ocean, all the little critters, etc...

dont make fun, i have sad "mainly four" not " only four"
Did you know about ocean? ocean which belongs part to atmosphere.

If atmosphere is anti-gravity, then we would not have one.

Did you know answers for simple Questions
What happen to atmosphere and water of mars???
What can happen to atmosphere and water of earth???

Let us separate Earth into tree main parts, solid core, liquid core and atmosphere. With respect earth: solid core is made up of high gravity atom, liquid core is made up of semi gravity atom and atmosphere is made up of anti gravity atoms.
This liquid core plays important role in planet, from the beginning of planet formation they work as SEMI GRAVITY and SEMI ANTI GRAVITY. This semi anti gravity of liquid core creats dynamo effect and geo magnetism.
This semi gravity of liquid core was controls or capture by solid core.
This semi anti gravity of liquid core controls or capture the anti gravity atmosphere.

so we know Earth has dynamic and self-regulating atmosphere, this is process of recycling the powerful anti gravity atmosphere was down by liquid core (dynamo effect /earths semi anti gravity). When the dynamo effect or earths semi anti gravity stops, that is semi anti gravity atoms of liquid core changes into gravity atom then atmosphere try to escape because of unlike magnetic force.

Yes, the end of dynamo effect / semi anti gravity of liquid core of mars
was the main reason for disappear of atmosphere.

Mars: A Water World? Evidence Mounts, But Scientists Remain Tight-Lipped

Check this links
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ce_040229.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Mars_Expres...K75V9ED_0.html

[Mister Earl]

You didn't say specifically why you believe that gas atoms are anti-gravatic.

[tusenfem]

Yes, the end of dynamo effect / semi anti gravity of liquid core of mars
was the main reason for disappear of atmosphere.

Mars: A Water World? Evidence Mounts, But Scientists Remain Tight-Lipped

Check this links
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ce_040229.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Mars_Expres...K75V9ED_0.html

No, not really. The martian atmosphere was mainly taken away by the solar wind because the magnetic field disappeared.
I would not say that scientists are tight lipped about water on Mars. Every "martian" scientist hopes to show real evidence of flowing water on Mars. And lately the radar data showing the huge ice deposits at the pole of Mars. Guess you had your ears and eyes closed when this was brought to the public. The link you put in your message is from 2004!! Lots of things have happened since then. And scientist cannot just blabber out somthing at the first sign that something may be there, they have to have good evidence, otherwise they will get ridiculed by their colleagues (and rightly so).

Just another unfounded ATM/conspirace theme going on here.

[truedream]

You didn't say specifically why you believe that gas atoms are anti-gravatic.

In my laws, I am comparing the magnetism of nucleus (atomic magnetic force) from micro to macro scale and relation in between them.
Atom has two physical characteristics, one is mass of atom and other is magnetic force of atom. This magnetic force of atom is very important or primary physical characteristics for nature and mass of atom is secondary characteristics for nature.Nature takes care or collects only magnetic force of atom and don’t take care of the mass of atom.

To understand atom, let us imagine a piece of sugar cane is an atom, The juice in sugar cane is magnetic force of atom and wastage of sugar cane with very little amount of juice is mass. So in a planet the collected juice of atom creates the resultant force gravity in the mass of atom.

So primary character of the matter is force (magnetic force) in it and mass is only secondary character of the matter. The gravity or anti gravity of atom is directly proposonal to this magnetic force.
nucleus of all solid atoms have type of magnetic force which i call as solid atomic magnetic force and likewise nucleus of all gas atoms have type of magnetic force which i call as gas atomic magnetic force .

Solid atomic magnetic force and gas atomic magnetic force are opposite to each other so only the bonding in between this two atoms (gas and solid) is very lose.
Simple example to describe the presence of magnetic force in atom is mixture of oil and water, is good example for existence of unlike nucleus magnetic force in liquids.

What is proof for antigravity in water ???
A material that is strongly attracted to a magnet is said to have a high permeability. Iron and steel are two examples of materials with very high permeability, and they are strongly attracted to magnets. Liquid oxygen is an example of something with a low permeability, and it is only weakly attracted to a magnetic field.
Water has such a low permeability that it is actually slightly repelled by magnetic fields.why water is repelled by magnetic fields?? how this low permeability water can reples magnetic field???

Truly water donot have low permeability but it has opposite or anti permeability force in it, that is it has anti gravity force so only it repels.

gravity or anti gravity of an atom is depond upon its place in space (depond upon near by source of gravity feild).for eg: gass atom in our earth (solid planet) works as anti gravity atom but when same gass atom when gos near to sun (gass planet) it works as gravity atom.

Imagine as, gas planet is placed in the place of mercury then what will happen? The sun made of gas atoms will pull the gas planet placed in the place of mercury, because of like atomic magnetic force place near to it. This is the true reason for not present of any gas planet in inner planets.

[NEOWatcher]

You are presenting a lot, so lets start with some building blocks.

Simple example to describe the presence of magnetic force in atom is mixture of oil and water, is good example for existence of unlike nucleus magnetic force in liquids.

Bad example. This is a matter of density, and solubility.
If you have a different view as to how this is, then please explain it.

[Nereid]

"True science” vs “Standard model"

These are some of comments about my theory

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(my bold)

By 'theory', do you mean 'speculative idea', or 'guess'? Or 'scientific theory'? Or something else.

If you mean 'scientific theory', can you please give some references to papers which present this theory, in relevant peer-reviewed publications?

[truedream]

You are presenting a lot, so lets start with some building blocks.

Bad example. This is a matter of density, and solubility.
If you have a different view as to how this is, then please explain it.

i dont think this as building block because i have new
atomic model, which can expline why partical has weight.

i think you have not checked the links,

Water and oil don't mix because they are two different
kinds of molecules. Water is a polar molecule, which means
one side of the molecule has a positive charge and the
other has a negative charge (just like a bar magnet).
Scientists call polar molecules hydrophilic, which means
they that "love" water, or will mix with water. Oil is a
nonpolar molecule?it doesn't have ends with positive and
negative charges. Scientists call nonpolar molecules
hydrophobic, which means that they "fear" water, or won't
mix well with water.

some of the words in above post:
Science had missed important subject magnetism of atom, But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of gravity,weight,pressure, density, positive or negatively charged, chemical bonding, etc.

[Fortis]

The gravity or anti gravity of atom is directly proposonal to this magnetic force.
nucleus of all solid atoms have type of magnetic force which i call as solid atomic magnetic force and likewise nucleus of all gas atoms have type of magnetic force which i call as gas atomic magnetic force .

Experimentally it has been shown that (for all cases considered) the gravitational force is proportional to mass, and the magnetic force is proportional to the magnetic moment. Have you actually compared meaurements of the magnetic moments and masses of a range of atoms and found that they are directly proportional to each other?

[truedream]

No, not really. The martian atmosphere was mainly taken away by the solar wind because the magnetic field disappeared.
I would not say that scientists are tight lipped about water on Mars. Every "martian" scientist hopes to show real evidence of flowing water on Mars.
Just another unfounded ATM/conspirace theme going on here.

What are you trying to tell "atmosphere was mainly taken away by the solar wind because the magnetic field disappeared"
because of which magnetic field disappeared?

I think you are trying to say same thing without clear explanation, which I have sad, The end of dynamo effect in liquid core of mars was the main reason for disappear of atmosphere. The end of dynamo effect will remove geo magnetism of the planet.
However, mars images very strongly suggest that it had running water and thick atmosphere earlier in its history.
Yes present water in mars can be remaining water of 10% to 30 % of total water of mars.
What happen to 70% water (water and atmosphere) of mars?

[tusenfem]

What are you trying to tell "atmosphere was mainly taken away by the solar wind because the magnetic field disappeared"
because of which magnetic field disappeared?

I think you are trying to say same thing without clear explanation, which I have sad, The end of dynamo effect in liquid core of mars was the main reason for disappear of atmosphere. The end of dynamo effect will remove geo magnetism of the planet.
However, mars images very strongly suggest that it had running water and thick atmosphere earlier in its history.
Yes present water in mars can be remaining water of 10% to 30 % of total water of mars.
What happen to 70% water (water and atmosphere) of mars?

Investigations by satellites around Mars have found that is has no internal magnetic field. However, there are remnants of what used to be an internal magnetic field. Mars core cooled down too much and could not sustain a magnetic field anymore. So, the Martian magnetic field disappeared like 3 billion years ago (if I am not mistaken by a billion or so).

So, then the solar wind had free play, and stripped Mars of its atmosphere (well most of it). There was nothing "anti gravity at work".

Like I said the atmosphere (and that includes the water) was stripped away by the solar wind. That happened.

And it seems, IIRC, that if you would take all the ice at the poles and melt it you would be able to basically cover the whole of Mars with an ocean. So, maybe we have to look into why Mars still has so MUCH water, instead of so little.

[NEOWatcher]

i dont think this as building block because i have new
atomic model, which can expline why partical has weight.

But; you need to explain some of the basics of your theory. Here you are only presenting some ideas based on a couple of observed examples. We need to expand what you are saying and see how it applies to other situations.
In other words, we need to build a scientific method of being able to test your idea.

i think you have not checked the links,

Yes I have, and they are only forums with people babbling on and on. What are you sources? What should I look for? How does it support your assumptions.
All you are supplying is: because they say so.

Water and oil don't mix because they are two different kinds of molecules

Can you relate this to other liquids. Can you quantify the effects?

But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of gravity,weight,pressure, density, positive or negatively charged, chemical bonding, etc.

Basically, you just said that we can and have tested magnetism in many different ways that are all consistent with each other. Do you have a better way to see it?

[truedream]

There was nothing "anti gravity at work".

About nature, every single reaction or process of nature don’t have any unique reason, it has two are more reasons to occur, we must find the main reason for that occurrence.
It is very easy to prove anti gravity, if you understand magnetism of atom.

I divide atoms into two different family, one is gas family other is solid family. The difference is based upon there magnetic property. Yes two solid and gas atom has opposite magnetic property like couples .
Because of its opposite magnetic property, bonding in-between these two atoms is lose. The lose bonding in-between these two atoms is the proof for opposite magnetic property.For eg imagine: gas atom is female atom and solid atom is male atom.

This is proof for antigravity in water, Water has such a low permeability that it is actually slightly repelled by magnetic fields. Why water is repelled by magnetic fields?? How this low permeability water can repels magnetic field??? Truly water don’t have low permeability but it has opposite or anti permeability force in it, that is it has anti gravity force so only it repels.

Then in our solar system, the arrangement of planets can help us to understand the magnetism of planet or atom.The sun giant gas planet, followed by near by solid planets (inner planets) and followed again gas planets.
Ok,why we don’t have any nearly by gas planet (inside inner planets)?
Why we don’t have any planet which is made of equal gas atoms and solid atoms (50% gas and 50% solid) ?

see solar system in magnet view: http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=8

[NEOWatcher]

I divide atoms into two different family, one is gas family other is solid family. The difference is based upon there magnetic property.

How is this done? What are the differences? How are they measured?
Until you can show us these details, the remainder is just a creative imagination.

see solar system in magnet view: http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=8

Another one of those, "I read it on a forum, so it must be true".

Where's the research, where's the test, where's the proposal, where's the application, where are the numbers?

[truedream]

IIRC, that if you would take all the ice at the poles and melt it you would be able to basically cover the whole of Mars with an ocean. So, maybe we have to look into why Mars still has so MUCH water, instead of so little.

Why ice are present only at poles??
Did you know what will happen when we melt it and create ocean?
The water will change to water vapor soon and will not reach back to mars surface at all.
Water has maximum possible to escape from mars atmosphere because of its anti gravity or Unlike magnetic force.

[truedream]

How is this done? What are the differences? How are they measured?
Until you can show us these details, the remainder is just a creative imagination.

I think it is better to start from quantum mechanical spin
What is the source for this mechanical spin in atom?
What type of force is it? What is this end less force in atom?
Please give your idea about source for this spin in atom.

thanks for your intrest

[NEOWatcher]

I think it is better to start from quantum mechanical spin
What is the source for this mechanical spin in atom?
What type of force is it? What is this end less force in atom?
Please give your idea about source for this spin in atom.

Sorry, no answers by asking questions. It is not my responsibility to explain mainstream science...

Did you know what will happen when we melt it and create ocean?
The water will change to water vapor soon and will not reach back to mars surface at all.
Water has maximum possible to escape from mars atmosphere because of its anti gravity or Unlike magnetic force.

So, what you are saying is that water changes it's quantum properties with a simple phase change?

[Swift]

I divide atoms into two different family, one is gas family other is solid family. The difference is based upon there magnetic property. Yes two solid and gas atom has opposite magnetic property like couples .
Because of its opposite magnetic property, bonding in-between these two atoms is lose. The lose bonding in-between these two atoms is the proof for opposite magnetic property.For eg imagine: gas atom is female atom and solid atom is male atom.

I'm sorry, but this make no sense at all and does not agree with the last 200 years or so of research in chemistry. There are no such things as "solid atoms" and "gas atoms", any element can be a solid or a gas, depending on temperature and pressure. And the nature of bonding in chemical compounds is extremely well understood and has nothing to do with what you describe.

Please list which elements are members of the gas family and which are in the solid family in your theory and give examples of how your theory explains bonding and properties of compunds formed from these two groups.

[truedream]

I think many of you have not complete read my article,
Because of the layout design of toequest forum, it has two body’s
first half is for article body which has complete links of my article in
Contents BOX at right. Next half is for comments and reply.

First article is: basic of true final theory by true science.

• http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e-science.html
• big shock http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=2
• true atom http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=3
• source of atom http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=4
• what is mass http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=5
• types of atom http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=6
• anti gravity atom http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=7
• solar system http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=8
• amf in solar system http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...e.html?garpg=9
• what is gravity http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=10
• earth http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=11
• true space http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=12
• magnet and space http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=13


Second article is warning or warming (basic of new magnet law)
• http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...nce-ready.html
• Atom, Magnetism and space http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=2
• Gravity and magnet http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=3
• new domain for magnet http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=4
• what is magnet http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=5
• Two type of flux http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=6
• Equator area http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=7
• strong flux area http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=8
• reason for global warming http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...y.html?garpg=9
• Little loss in gravity http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=10
• Gravity by its superior. http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th....html?garpg=11

[truedream]

So, what you are saying is that water changes it's quantum properties with a simple phase change?

yes

[cjl]

Evidence?

[Fortis]

Experimentally it has been shown that (for all cases considered) the gravitational force is proportional to mass, and the magnetic force is proportional to the magnetic moment. Have you actually compared meaurements of the magnetic moments and masses of a range of atoms and found that they are directly proportional to each other?

True dream, did you have any view on what I had posted?

[truedream]

Evidence?

I think many of you have not complete read my article,
Because of the layout design of toequest forum, it has two body’s
first half is for article body which has complete links of my article in
Contents BOX at right. Next below half is for comments and reply.

check the link given in strating thread:
First article is: basic of true final theory by true science.
• With this sub pages
• big shock
• true atom
• source of atom
• what is mass
• types of atom
• anti gravity atom
• solar system
• amf in solar system
• what is gravity
• earth
• true space
• magnet and space

Second article is: warning or warming (basic of new magnet law)
• With this sub pages
• Atom, Magnetism and space
• Gravity and magnet
• new domain for magnet
• what is magnet
• Two type of flux
• Equator area
• strong flux area
• reason for global warming
• Little loss in gravity
• gravity by its superior.