Actually, it's not so much that "Goddidit" is ruled out; it's more that it isn't an answer. After all, despite what you blindly believe, evolution is used every day by people in several important fields. God randomly changing microbes so they become resistant to antibiotics isn't an answer. However, microbiologists can watch the process of evolution as they become thus resistant.
Originally Posted by Professor Illwill
I deny that there is a conflict. It's not a qualified no; it's a flat-out no. I have faith. I accept the evidence of evolution. So, unreservedly, did John Paul II. (The jury's kind of out on Benedict XVI, but his stance on the subject is far from my biggest problem with him even if he were shown to be a creationist.) However, I only have evidence of one, and I assure you, it isn't my religion.
Does evolution rule out religion altogether? That's a matter of opinion. Most would give a qualified "no". But do you deny that there is on the face of it, an apparent conflict? Do you deny the compatibility of evolution with atheism? They dovetail perfectly!
This is my biggest peeve with your arguing style. You bring up things, some of them actionable libel, and then say you don't have time to discuss your own arguments. Would you accept--and note that I'm not saying this!--one of us saying, "All creationists are of below-average IQ, but I don't really want to talk about that"? Of course not, and nor should you. Instead, you should present reasonable evidence or not bring a subject up in the first place.
Evolution is externally (when viewed from the outside) much like a religion. Innumerable transitional forms are accepted on blind faith
. But I haven't time to digress.
Besides, how do you view something of which you are a product from the outside? If you mean "from the perspective of a scientific layman," isn't it possible that the problem is not with science but with your understanding of it?
Nonsense. Piltdown Man has been dismissed as a forgery--by scientists using evolutionary patterns as part of their evidence, mind--for decades, and "Nebraska Man" had so little impact that I'd never even heard of it until I got involved in studying creationist "debating" tactics a couple of years ago, and I had a passionate interest in paleontology as a kid--and took a class in it in college.
Back to history: Evolution got a big boost from hoaxes like "Piltdown Man" and "Nebraska Man". Without this boost it might very well have died off. (Remember: in the formula given by Darwin, it was "wrong", or whatever term you prefer.) The motives of the perpetrators? I don't think they conspired together at all. I think they saw an easy way to make a buck & grab a little fame, stuff like that.
Right; that's why I who went to years and years of Catholic Sunday school lost the faith. That's why Galileo discovered the moons of Jupiter even though the teaching of the day said they were impossible. And, in fact, hardly any of the evidence for evolution has been showed to be flawed, much less "nearly all." In fact, if people "just believe what they're taught," how did evolution become dominant in the first place?
But the point is, evolution got enough of a boost from bad science (nearly all of it's been shown to be flawed to some extent) that it became the dominant teaching. And from there on, it's just downhill. People believe what they're taught.
I have to say, Ken, I agree. You should see the dishonesty of certain prominent creationists, like Ken Hovind, for example.
Ken G, you seem to be a good, honest seeker-of-knowledge. You tend to project this honesty upon others, and I think it is unwarranted.
Good luck. You're going to need it, if you think you can find non-Biblically-based research giving a young date for the Grand Canyon.
I'll assume you would not take the word of CS science about migration, so I'll keep trying to find something from the "old-earthers".
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