About two months ago I attended a meeting of the North Texas Skeptics and the speaker discussed UFOs as religion. Some of what he said resonated as I listened to Nancy Lieder when she debated Phil the other night. I think it’s obvious that Zetatalk is a cult religion with Nancy as its messiah. Her obvious pathological messiah complex is a delusion of grandeur. I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but I just wanted to offer my own observations.
Zetatalk as religion
- Many religions have a “someone” “up there” looking out for them and protecting them. Zetatalk has the Zetas serving as it’s “god.”
- Religions have demons that seek to corrupt the gospel or spread disinformation. Zetatalk has NASA and various other governmental agencies that are trying to quash the word about Planet X.
- Religions have end times, after which the true believers will inherit a new world. For Zetatalk, that time is Planet Xs arrival.
- Religions have sacred texts some of which describe tenets, methods of salvation or describe the actions (including battles with the enemy) of deities and messiahs. The very same thing can be found on Zetatalk.com. Tenets of faith about Nancy and the Zetas, methods of surviving Planet Xs arrival and transcripts of Nancy’s battles with the demons.
- Religions and cult-religions in particular have a cannon that is considered orthodox, anyone who does not ascribe to that cannon is considered a heretic, heathen or infidel. For Zetatalk, anyone who doubts Nancy or her predictions is heretical. Anyone who actively campaigns against her, like Phil, is an infidel or worse a demon (see above). This Zetatalk page includes approved items from the Zetatalk religious salad bar.
- Many cults seek a Zion or a safe place to ride out the end times. Zetatalk scripture offers believers safe havens where they may ride out the end times arrival of Planet X so they may inherit the heaven of the new world.
- Some religions offer prophecy or wisdom. They then wait for fulfillment (sometimes with very tortured logic or thin evidence) to proclaim the “truth” of their religion because they knew of future events. Zetatalk has a page dedicated to supposed fulfillments of Nancy’s Zeta channeled prophecies.
- Most religions have signs and wonders to demonstrate the truth of it’s tenets or to demonstrate the end times is immanent. Zetatalk includes photos of Planet X that are either fakes or mistakes. Nancy is also making claims about earthquakes and weather phenomena to prove the Planet X end times is upon us.
- Obsession with end times is a classic indicator of a cult. Without the Planet X end times, I can’t really think of a reason for Zetatalk to exist.
- Cults have charismatic leaders who get the message out, do battle with demons and tell followers exactly how to live their lives. Some like Marshall Applewhite and David Khoresh see themselves as messianic figures. I think this next list will show that Nancy Lieder sees herself to be one as well.
Nancy Lieder as Messiah
- Claims to be a “chosen one.”
- Claims to have exclusive access to the Zetas (the cults “god”)
- Claims to be able to deliver humanity from evil or end times.
- Claims to be fighting against Evil (NASA) demons that are out to dupe the populace into not accepting her cult’s truth.
- Claims to have suffered to become the chosen one. From the C2C transcript: “Because we could rely on her at this point in time. Uh, after years of, of intense pressure, um, ah, trying to gut her, ah, from every angle that affects a human being, um, to, ah, give up, walk away, um, close down her psyche, alter her message, um, make mistakes, uh, we could rely on her not to do that…” Apparently Nancy went through some sort of psychological crucifixion to show she was the perfect vessel of truth.
- Claims to speak for god. When she channels the Zeta gods, ‘nuff said.
- Sees herself as manifesting great historical characters. Again, from the C2C transcript: “I am Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa in essence…”
- Claims to be a martyr (see Joan of Arc reference) or expresses a willingness to be martyred.
- Claims to be a prophet or prophetess as evidenced by her Zetatalk accuracy page
- Claims to be the sole truth giver, while others who disagree with her are “demons” (astronomers) and agents of evil (NASA).
- Tells you how to live your life or what to do (move to safe area, euthenize pets) in order to make it through the end times.
I’m sure there are more aspects of both Zetatalk and Nancy that make it clear that she’s the delusional leader with a messiah complex of a cult, but I don’t want ramble on.