Three perfectly aligned objects?
Wonder...what are those? They even have shadows...
Sorry for my english.
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Three perfectly aligned objects?
Wonder...what are those? They even have shadows...
Sorry for my english.
Last edited by Orion437; 2006-Nov-04 at 05:05 PM.
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They don't look to be perfectly aligned even at that resolution to me, or perfectly spaced either. They might be a crater chain:Originally Posted by Orion437
A crater chain is a regularly spaced row of three or more impact craters with similar sizes and apparently identical ages. A crater chain is formed when an asteroid or comet with low tensile strength is pulled apart by tides during a close approach to a planet, separating into a train of fragments which hit a moon of the planet rather than escaping to interplanetary space.
But with a whole planet to play with, it isn't that hard to get an example of three blips to roughly line up just by chance.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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Ok. What is your definition of "perfect"? To what standard have you measured them, and how? And what is the scale of the objects we are looking at? With a large enough scale, it is easy to find such things.
A totally uneducated, amatuer guess is that it could be from an object that split into 3 pieces shortly before impact? Or they could be signs of volcano activity along a straight fault line? Those are just guesses, though.
Edit: I just ended up parroting Van Rijn - he beat me to it
Last edited by Serenitude; 2006-Nov-03 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Van Rijn beat me to it.
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Oh ye of little imagination!
Clearly, they are powerful evidence of an ancient and highly advanced civilization - perhaps the very one that founded Atlantis.
Either that, or what Van Rijn said.
It is interesting the way craters can appear on a photo - I had a shot of a Mars scene as my desktop - it had some craters in it. My boss came by and said, "Where did those mounds come from?"
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A crater chain. Interesting.
They exist elsewhere too.
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Three smoke stacks. You can even see the plumes.
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HEY! I wondered what happened to that slug ship I blasted.
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Nothing new , it has been spotted some years from now along with some other"anomalies". See http://www.marsunearthed.com/Selecte...ctedImages.htm
Sure it look strange , no shame to recognise it IMO. it should excite curiosity , but there has been no convincing explanation , so no scientist dare speak about it. Except some half baked jokes when it surface again. I hope MRO will take a better look and we can learn something new about this fascinating planet.
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No convincing explanation for crater chains? Sorry but you're mistaken. They are well understood and easy to explain with little more than high-school physics.
Start by reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
When an object like an asteroid moves inside the roche limit of a large body like Mars, it breaks apart and spreads out into a line:
This is the same process that broke apart comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 around Jupiter. Eventually, the broken parts of the object will spread out. This is how Saturn's rings formed. However, if the broken parts smash into the planet before they have a chance to spread out, they will, of course, form a line.
See? It's all very easy to understand.
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Not smokestacks...anything but smokestacks.
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Interesting indeed.
And for the agressive scientific wannabes like Perferssor, here is a descripition, and they are classified as objects.
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Thanks for answering me . But in fact you did not teach me anything , i know about this explanation of craters chain , it is just in this case i dont think it is a valid explanation.
Only 3 craters in the chain , strange looking of each crater etc ...
It is not because you have an "explanation" your problem is solved. If you were a cop and have a murder to solve would you catch the first poor guy with no alibi passing your way and bragging " case solved chief !"
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The heck with those three thingies. Scroll down in the pic and take a look at the giant trilobite in that crater!
AIEEEEE!!
tom
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Very good...why do you think it's not a valid explanation? Can you show us the evidence you used to reach your conclusion?
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They don't appear to be craters. Furher down in the pic are some obvious craters. The shadows on the objects in question are on the opposite side as the craters. That would make the objects in question sticking up, rather than being a depression like a crater.
tbm
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Exactly.
Excellent conclusion.
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TBM and Orion437 you said it all !
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... Because nothing ever lines up in nature....
(I guess those pesky eclipses are made by ETs!!!)
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I have no problem accepting them as naturaly occuring items. such as large rocks. They are in the same region, experience the same weather affects such as wind erosion. This kind of phenomenon may be rare but not impossible.
Like this one.
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I am with tbm on this. A "chain crater" that sticks up should be probably called "inverse chain crater". Same way as you will build inverse well if you need a tower.
But well is quite often a man made structure but these inverse chain craters are obviously not because a man made inverse chain craters are even more rare than natural ones. Honestly.
But science aside, these things are probably enormous, gigantic, bigger than my hat, yet as tbm pointed out the half eaten fish (he naively see it as trilobyte) on the lower part of the image is more interesting since it must be some gigantic fish. Maybe it ate those inverse chain craters - who knows. Mars culture could be years ahead from ours. Already dead for example.
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Galacsi - a little lighter on the ad-homs and a little heavier on explanations or evidence would be in order, no?
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Why is this in the Conspiracy Theories Forum? What's the alleged conspiracy?
One image and your peculiar interpretation of some features' perfection, do not a conspiracy make.
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No , not all . The right order is a little less stupid jokes to begin with ; because they are rather annoying.
Then my position is nobody know for sure what is this formation. May be this , may be that but what ?
My personnal point of view or some would say prejudice is it is a natural phenomena , some random occurrence of something which will be explained with better pictures.Because I dont give a single credit to these stories about alien remains on Mars.
But I am not in the business of explaining everything , to have the last word and to expand the lights of reason and science. It is a 19th century thing for me.
Last edited by galacsi; 2006-Nov-04 at 08:19 AM. Reason: To cool off a little
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Are you trying to say that reason and science are a 19th century thing? Your post is difficult to understand.
And your position may be perfectly valid, but do you need to attack people personally? I mean, can you post without doing that? Everyone gets aggravated sometimes, and I'm not attacking you or making fun of you, but you don't need to ad-hom people. It's just mean, and doesn't help anything. Not to mention it's forbidden here. I think you can get your points across without insulting people personally. Attack mine or anyone else's ideas - that's fair game. You just don't need to personally insult people. Cool down, my friend
Your point of view is fine, but you have to accept that you're posting it to a scientifically critical board, and your ideas may be challenged. It doesn't mean anyone is challenging you personally. If you can't handle your ideas being challenged, without interpreting that as a directly personal attack, maybe you are posting to the wrong forum?
Edit: If you find the one-liners and jokes annoying, there may be better ways of solving that problem than personal attacks. That can only make things worse
Last edited by Serenitude; 2006-Nov-04 at 08:58 AM. Reason: Adressed jokes
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About the 19th century thing , I can see now it is too much of a french thing for you to follow. So let's pretend I did not write it.Are you trying to say that reason and science are a 19th century thing? Your post is difficult to understand.
And your position may be perfectly valid, but do you need to attack people personally? I mean, can you post without doing that? Everyone gets aggravated sometimes, and I'm not attacking you or making fun of you, but you don't need to ad-hom people. It's just mean, and doesn't help anything. Not to mention it's forbidden here. I think you can get your points across without insulting people personally. Attack mine or anyone else's ideas - that's fair game. You just don't need to personally insult people. Cool down, my friend
Your point of view is fine, but you have to accept that you're posting it to a scientifically critical board, and your ideas may be challenged. It doesn't mean anyone is challenging you personally. If you can't handle your ideas being challenged, without interpreting that as a directly personal attack, maybe you are posting to the wrong forum?
Edit: If you find the one-liners and jokes annoying, there may be better ways of solving that problem than personal attacks. That can only make things worse
About the remainder of your post , I dont undestand at all what you are saying. I did not attack you or otherbody . What personal attack ???, And my ideas were not challenged , so what is the point of this lecture ?
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??? What ideas?? You've offered none except to say that you did not accept the crater chain explanation...to which I responded...
I still await your reply...
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If you read all the posts you will see that TBM answer this question and i have just agreed to his answer. SO why must I have to repeat what IMO is a perfectly good answer ?
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Er...and who on earth is talking about a conspiracy?
When did i say that the objects are alien, covered up or something?
I just posted this here because the images are intriguing (indeed, as we can see that several users agree) and maybe the images can be a part of this crazy marcian floklore, just that.
That a modd transfers this to another forum, if they think that its the correct thing to do.
And excuse me...my peculiar interpretation? several user agree that the objects are intriguing, strange.
TBM make an excelente and intelligent point:
Some people are extraordinary.
I started this thread with this:
Wonder...what are those? They even have shadows...
Just a simple plain curious question. And then some start yelling : they are not alien, they are craters (?) you are a conspiracy crazy (?) and then start picking on each other.
Is this the level of discussion here? Its a shame...
And i think that some people rushed with the crater teory...rushed very bad...they suffer of Hoagland´ paranoia.
Sorry for my english.
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Because this is a discussion board, and I asked you, personally to "back up" your opinion with some form of evidence...and I did this before TBM posted his "explanation".
But no matter...if you and Orion choose not to participate in this discussion...and you accept TBM's "explanation", then lets take a look at what he said...shall we...
The terrain is markedly different between the top and bottom of that picture. Fact is that there are other craters (besides those 3) in the top of that image which look very much the same as the 3.
The Sun angle is obviously from the upper left of the image. I submit that we can't see any shadows in the 3 lined up craters. What we are seeing is dark, underlining material which gives the "appearence" of being a shadow.The shadows on the objects in question are on the opposite side as the craters.
If your interpretation of shadows is in error, (and it's up to you to demonstrate that it is in fact, not), then to characterize the craters as "sticking up" would also be "in error".That would make the objects in question sticking up, rather than being a depression like a crater.
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Im participating of the discussion, and i think tbm´s opinion is quite reasonable.
I dont like the stupidity of looking at a rock in mars and say: oh, its an alien building...but does anybody know what on earth is...this ???:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...DP2441L7M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...AP2443L7M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...AP2443R1M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...DP2441L7M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...AP2443L7M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...AP2443R1M1.JPG
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...AP2553L7M1.JPG
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