Just watched this video, where Boyd Bushman is briefly interviewed by Nick Cook. Just wanted to guage peoples' opinions on what he said, and the possibilities of what hes suggesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OEMbZEacaw
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Just watched this video, where Boyd Bushman is briefly interviewed by Nick Cook. Just wanted to guage peoples' opinions on what he said, and the possibilities of what hes suggesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OEMbZEacaw
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Okay, I watched it. Nick Cook (the commentator and interviewer) makes all sorts of grand statements, and there is Boyd Bushman not saying much of anything specific. Then near the end the commentator says that Bushman spoke highly of a scientist's experiments. That "scientist" is not named, but it is in fact John Hutchison, who is not a scientist, and who made some of the silliest and obviously faked videos you could imagine.Originally Posted by C4N7
I posted earlier on Hutchison here:
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=27
and here:
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...5&postcount=30
That pretty well dumps credibility into the dumper. Anyway, when it comes to anti-gravity, my position, as always, is that I will believe it when there is independent confirmation from multiple credible sources.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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That dumps Hutchison's credibility, however does that also mean Boyd Bushman, and Nick Cook are not credible as well?
Bushman says in the end of the segment, "and it should fly." Doesn't that imply some sort of aircraft utilizing what he terms as anti-gravity? I can understand why he talked like that, given that hes not allowed to talk about certain things.
"I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?"
Invisible in what spectrum? Does the elf make no sound? Does it not breathe? I would then ask u how can u detect it? I guess u could use esp...
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Yes. Cook refers to Hutchison as a scientist but doesn't name him. That's wrong (he isn't a scientist) and deceptive. And, how do you have credibility when you speak well of someone else who has no credibility?
What will fly? Where did Bushman say he had a working anti-gravity machine? Again, Bushman really didn't say anything specific, and there are all sorts of things that can be made to fly.Bushman says in the end of the segment, "and it should fly." Doesn't that imply some sort of aircraft utilizing what he terms as anti-gravity?
Even assuming he was credible, he didn't say anything! I saw some fellow talking a lot but not really saying anything, and an interviewer playing it up as much more than it actually was. It's classic, and you're buying into it.I can understand why he talked like that, given that hes not allowed to talk about certain things.
Funny you mention the elf. I provide no evidence for my elf and never will. Let me know when somebody presents some evidence for an anti-gravity machine. That's the point of the elf: It isn't up to others to prove anti-gravity machines or elves don't exist. In science, the burden of proof is on the ones making an assertion. And yet, on BAUT, we often see folks bring something forward with no evidence, but saying they can't be proven wrong."I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?"
Invisible in what spectrum? Does the elf make no sound? Does it not breathe? I would then ask u how can u detect it? I guess u could use esp...
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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We already have anti-gravity devices ... I think they are called rockets, or something.
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I'm not sure. I'll ask M. Montgolfier.
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Bullets and rocks work too, but the duration of the effect is somewhat limited.We already have anti-gravity devices ... I think they are called rockets, or something.
Personally, I consider my feet and legs to be anti-gravity devices, as they keep my head much higher off the ground than I would be without them.
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That dumps Hutchison's credibility, however does that also mean Boyd Bushman, and Nick Cook are not credible as well?
Is this the Boyd Bushman who believes the Gulf Breeze UFO sightings were some sort of alien spacecraft? Dave Barry once wrote a (serious) (mostly) feature piece about that.
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The people I would have immediately associated with antigravity or gravity control are Evgeny (Eugene) Podkletnov and Ning Li. They have claimed to create small "gravity-like" effects in their labs, but haven't released the plans for how to build the machines to anyone else. They say they're still working to improve them.
What I notice about the criticism I've seen of those two (and there is plenty) is what's missing from it. Their critics say that not telling others how to duplicate their results is a strong sign of the claims being false, but they don't point out any flaws in the theory and reasoning, any way that the idea contradicts known physics...
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I just realized I live inside a huge antigravity device.Personally, I consider my feet and legs to be anti-gravity devices, as they keep my head much higher off the ground than I would be without them.
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Sorry to jump back up this thread so far but that's a very good point. I guess the answer to the origonal question depends on your definition of anti-gravity.We already have anti-gravity devices ... I think they are called rockets, or something.
Many devices can overcome gravitational pull. But anti gravity would be reversing gravity. So if you reverse the gravitational pull to say, a car, it would push instead of attract. but the gravitational attraction of a car is minute anyway. If you reverse the earth's gravity, then we're all in for an interesting destructive ride :-D.
And finally, the version i think most people have pictured, would be a way to excempt an object from the forces of gravity. you would still need some sort of propulsion system to move, andit would still be subject to friction and every other force. possible? perhaps. but since no one can really explaine what gravity is [edit: and by that i mean, we know that objects with mass attract but no one for sure knows why or what causes the attraction], i don't see how you could bypass it with anything other than sheer luck.
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But anti gravity would be reversing gravity.
Not really. "Anti" is to "oppose" or in the more classical meaning of the word, "to attempt to replace." Thus an Anti-Gravity device is not one that reverses gravity, but rather one that either by modern definition "opposes gravity" and thus could be anything from a rocket motor to a aircraft wing, or more classically something that attempts to replace Gravity, were we're more talking the Vomit Comet or something similar.
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Yes, it is the same Boyd Bushman.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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They're claiming new physics. The only way this might be confirmed is by experiment and experiment has not confirmed their results.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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For the purposes of this type of discussion, I would define anti-gravity as an effect that would oppose gravity by a method not already well understood. Generally, so called anti-gravity effects are either due to known physics with known limitations, are due to poor experimental procedure or flat out hoaxes.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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Actually he believes the gulf breeze sightings were a military test, not little green men...Yes, it is the same Boyd Bushman.
http://www.intalek.com/AV/Boyd-Bushm...Levitation.wmv
Before shredding Bushmans credibility, atleast take the time to listen what he says.
http://www.intalek.com/AV/Boyd-Bushman.wma
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Too late for that; Bushman's credibility is in tatters already because of his support for such obvious charlatans as Hutchinson.Before shredding Bushmans credibility, atleast take the time to listen what he says.
Bushman can levitate a coil a whole inch above a metal plate, then he extrapolates this to explain the (obviously faked) Gulf Breeze sightings?
Excellent stuff.
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To remove the effects of earth's gravity for a one kilo object you would have to spend at least as much energy as it would take to accelerate that object to escape velocity otherwise it violates conservation of energy. Many claims about anti-gravity would make perpetual motion machines possible if they were true. For example put your antigravity field on one side of an electric turbine and it will start spinning as one side will weigh less than the other....but they don't point out any flaws in the theory and reasoning, any way that the idea contradicts known physics...
Not that anti-gravity is impossible. It's just there is no evidence for it beyond unsupported claims. It's kind of like Bigfoot, except not so respectable.
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Here's a page on the gulf breeze hoax:
http://members.aol.com/garypos/Gulf_Breeze.html
From there:
The original Gulf Breeze "UFO" was a work of art -- huge, with a superstructure and substructure, portholes, internal illumination, a paralyzing "blue beam," the whole nine yards -- now there was a UFO worthy of tourist-trap status! One minor problem: only one person, local homebuilder Ed Walters, seemed to be around when the UFO and its occupants made their appearances, and only he was able to capture the craft on film, night after night.
[snip]
In a front-page, banner-headline story accompanied by photographs (see right), the Pensacola News Journal announced on June 10, 1990, that a UFO model had been discovered under insulation in the attic of Ed Walters' former home. Constructed from foam dinner plates and drafting paper, the model was turned over to reporter Craig Myers, and used by a News Journal photographer to, as the caption states and the results attest, "nearly duplicate some of Ed Walters' UFO pictures."
Well, I'm impressed.
Wow. Just wow. As eburacum45 said, he floats a coil connected to a power supply by wire above a metal plate and extrapolates this to the gulf breeze hoax actually being a drone craft. If he had any credibility previously, this completely shot it down in flames.
Already did listen to him in the videos, and he killed his credibility there. Also, that is a half hour long audio file.Before shredding Bushmans credibility, atleast take the time to listen what he says.
http://www.intalek.com/AV/Boyd-Bushman.wma
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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Interesting u cant find all the negative and these ** hoax claims, yet Bushman has nothing to do with it. U havent found any evidence that bushman is lying or isn't credible. U can say the gulf breeze sightings were a hoax, yet u weren't even there. I can make a ** website too saying the moon landing are fake, are u gonna qoute that too? Fact is i'm sure u cant prove Hutchisons a hoax, as well as the gulf breeze sightings which were viewed by hundreds of witnesses in different areas. Just cause some terd made some models doesn't mean its what all those people saw. U can bash Hutchison, but fact is Hutchisons work could be very genuine. Its closed-minded people like yourself who dismiss his work without actually doing your homework. I'm not talking about going to a skeptics website and believing everythings impossible and a hoax. U already had your mind made up, which in turn prevents u from learning the truth or new concepts of what reality is. U didn't even take the time to listen to the audio and true voice of Boyd Bushman, so u are the one losing out.
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I think its a non conducting plate. He says its unique, because the power is in dc form.
Another one who has time to comment that Bushmans not credible, yet doesn't even have time to actually listen what he says...Typical..
Come on.. Find something wrong with what he says...Atleast give it a chance.
http://www.intalek.com/AV/Boyd-Bushman.wma
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Grownups spell that 'you'
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..."U" got me thereGrownups spell that 'you'I mean that has great relevance to the topic... Don't post if u have nothing to say about the topic. If u are so inclined to correct peoples' spelling, why don't U go teach a english class. I aced all my english classes in college, and could give a flying F about my spelling here. Nuff time wasted on u...next?
Last edited by C4N7; 2006-Oct-27 at 07:22 PM.
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No idea what you are getting at there.
No, you found the evidence, I and eburacum45 discussed it. In one video he is quoted as speaking highly of faked videos, but the second is the clincher: A demonstration of an everyday, well known effect of physics stated to be something new and special.U havent found any evidence that bushman is lying or isn't credible.
That kills his credibility dead.
If you had read it, there was a reference to a newspaper story (with an image of the page) about how the model for the hoax had been found in the attic of the guy who said he had seen the UFO.U can say the gulf breeze sightings were a hoax, yet u weren't even there. I can make a ** website too saying the moon landing are fake, are u gonna qoute that too?
(emphasis added) Now that's funny, given that we've already discussed my elf and the point about proof. Ultimately, it isn't up to me to prove him wrong, he has the burden of proof, and all we have are some very poor videos. Having said that, if you had read my previous posts, you would have seen a link to one Hutchison video with a toy jerking up down and around, and off to the upper left a wire jerking in time with the toy. The other videos showed images that I could fake easily, and I'm not a professional magician.Fact is i'm sure u cant prove Hutchisons a hoax, as well as the gulf breeze sightings which were viewed by hundreds of witnesses in different areas.
I've done plenty of homework in my life, thank you very much. Further, I evaluated these videos with an open mind. But, having an open mind is not the same thing as being highly credulous. If somebody is going to present something as amazing and new, I expect good evidence. In these cases, the evidence was horribly poor.U can bash Hutchison, but fact is Hutchisons work could be very genuine. Its closed-minded people like yourself who dismiss his work without actually doing your homework.
As I've said before, when there are good experimental results from credible sources showing a new effect (call it anti-gravity) I will accept it. Poor videos aren't evidence (though videos like these are good evidence against the credibility of the makers).I'm not talking about going to a skeptics website and believing everythings impossible and a hoax. U already had your mind made up, which in turn prevents u from learning the truth or new concepts of what reality is.
I already listened to his true voice on the video. Why waste a half hour listening to more of the same when he already destroyed his credibility?U didn't even take the time to listen to the audio and true voice of Boyd Bushman, so u are the one losing out.
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?
The Leif Ericson Cruiser
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I find that very hard to believe...."U" got me there
As to why he corrected your spelling, it's because it makes your posts harder to read. As someone who "aced all my english classes in college," surely you know that the point of good grammar and good spelling is good communication? (Also, if you did ace them, you'd know that "English" is capitalized.)
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Are u serious? If u want to create static, do it else where pls. Trying to bait people is pretty pathetic, so if thats what u have to contribute to this thread, u can kindly exit, thx.
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I meant this thread, as a way to open peoples' mind's to different possibilities. "You" took it as - "Lets get all the evidence I can find to proof that its **" - Attitudes like that are useless. I never asked for proof nor claimed that there is any proof for Boyd's words. I don't think u understand my position. I'm not here to try and prove anti-gravity's real and being used by the military. I thought people mighty be interested in what he has to say and his ideas. Why is it anytime a person puts out ideas and theories, theres always some bunch of people dedicated to proving it wrong? --> Because it goes against what they believe, so they naturally reject it, often times not even looking at whats in front of them. He knows its real and works on projects which far exceed the official scientific laws in which u "mainstream" scientists spout and live by. Instead of assuming hes full of it, listen to that audio clip and make an informed decision based on the guys actual words, and not some biased disinformation from some skeptics debunking santuary.
I just love the arrogant, Know it All attitudes of people here, and the lack of imagination. Can't u just smell the fear? This isnt about you or me, is it? Its about thinking beyond what we know, and learning from nature. There are many unknowns out there, why have the attitude that u know everything and anything unual is bsk, a hoax, or swamp gas?
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You asked for opinions, and so you got them. It seems you set up an easy mile-wide target for everyone, waited for it to get bulls-eyed, and then pounced on people for doing exactly what you asked.
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You specifically asked for people's opinions - you got them. Don't then attack them personally for what they have to say. Not only is it impolite, it's against the rules of this forum. This is an official warning coming from a moderator.
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Order of Kilopi
Hmm; as far as I could make out, he says he used a conducting plate, but 'believes' that this would work with a non-conducting plate.
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