In response to a couple of things in various threads here...
The Sun has overtaken Orion in the sky, according to my StarryNightBackyard software. No matter where you are, the sun will come up before Orion does. The area in question where PX is supposed to be now is above the horizon in daylight. The area sets only about an hour after the Sun sets (at about 40 degs N), so it's in twilight...but no longer ever fully in the dark as viewed from Earth...any way you look at it (pardon the pun), the pure dark hours of viewing X are rapidly shrinking...
From one of Nancy's siteswith one of the Greek sunrise/lens flare pix:
Let's take this one at a time..."Planet X is coming toward the Sun from beneath the Sun, as well as from the side. Thus, the bending red light, orange, bends both up and in predominantly. Those rays that encounter Earth's gravity will then bend back toward Earth, from a position both above the coordinate position, and closer to the Sun. This allows visibility earlier in the day for the Red Persona, and due to the tendency of orange light to bend, the Red Persona as a second sun will appear on the horizon as a glow well ahead of the visibility of the corpus itself. Will it only be in the dawn that this second sun is identified? Dawn and dusk will be the best times for visibility, and noon the worst, as light pollution is strongest at noon. As with all other viewing, this depends immensely on the viewers location, determination, and clear skies.
ZetaTalk™: Second Sun, 4/19/03
Planet X is coming toward the Sun from beneath the Sun, as well as from the side.
I see...PX is in two places at one time, traveling two directions at the same time...
Thus, the bending red light, orange, bends both up and in predominantly. Those rays that encounter Earth's gravity will then bend back toward Earth, from a position both above the coordinate position, and closer to the Sun.
Which light bends, orange or red? If it's the red, the more it's 'contaminated' with yellow (to make orange), the less it should bend. Right? And why is this light originating from "from a position both above the coordinate position, and closer to the Sun" instead of originating (so to speak) from PX itself?
Will it only be in the dawn that this second sun is identified?
No, it will only be in the cameras of those who don't know how to correctly analyze photographs that it will be identified.
Dawn and dusk will be the best times for visibility, and noon the worst, as light pollution is strongest at noon.
Believe it or not, they got one right...because at dawn and dusk, the light of the sun is coming through the thickest layers of atmosphere, causing the most deformation of the solar disk. This can happen to the lunar disk, too...remember that series of stills of the Moon through the Earth's atmosphere taken from the ISS? The Moon squooshes into nonexistence...what was that link, anyway?
As with all other viewing, this depends immensely on the viewers location, determination, and clear skies.
Well, duhhh...
Determination? As in, someone is determined to see something that isn't there? Well, Santa isn't until December, it's too late for the Easter Bunny, and Linus has the concession for the Great Pumpkin...
When will it be seen? Howzabout NEVER...okay, when's it supposed to be seen? Well, according to Their Lieder, it's been visible for awhile now...the descriptions have it varying in size between a point of light in the sky and as big as the Sun. Definitive answers are awaited...
Originally Posted by Charlie in Dayton
