Feltzer Agrees to Debate?!?

[Architect]

It's a bit lame to link to another forum, I know, but I thought some of you might find this an interesting prospect:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64872

[01101001]

It's a bit lame to link to another forum, I know, but I thought some of you might find this an interesting prospect:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64872

Uh, yeah, lame. I gave up after the first page of no-answer. Who is (was it?) gravvy, who's debating gravvy, is it Feltzer, who is Feltzer, and why should I care? Please don't make me read a bunch of web pages for the answer. Please...

[PhantomWolf]

Who is (was it?) gravvy, who's debating gravvy, is it Feltzer, who is Feltzer, and why should I care? Please don't make me read a bunch of web pages for the answer. Please...

Gravvy would be Mark Roberts, the guy responsible for the Loose Change Guide. James Fetzer is the guy behind Scholars For Truth 911

[01101001]

Gravvy would be Mark Roberts, the guy responsible for the Loose Change Guide. James Fetzer is the guy behind Scholars For Truth 911

Thanks.

Some people read this forum without living and breathing it. At least I've heard of the organizations, and I can guess at who the players are now, and what they do -- and pretty much what will be the result of the debate. It was kind of you to lavish clues upon poor me.

And, now I know why not even Google helped me with Feltzer, since it's Fetzer.

Thanks, again.

[PhantomWolf]

No Probs.

Architect, I noted that they were saying that tthey have only been involved in the debate (if one can call it that) for about 6 months. If you want to extend a invitation for them to come visit here or Apollohoax, we've been dealing with the subject for 2-3 years and might have information they might find of value, though I think they have a pretty good handle on most stuff.

[Hutch]

No Probs.

Architect, I noted that they were saying that tthey have only been involved in the debate (if one can call it that) for about 6 months. If you want to extend a invitation for them to come visit here or Apollohoax, we've been dealing with the subject for 2-3 years and might have information they might find of value, though I think they have a pretty good handle on most stuff.

Phantomwolf, as a JREF member and proud member of the "Banned from the Loose Change Forum", I'd like to add a comment or two.

I'll PM Gravy/Mark with your offer. Even better is if anyone here could either get up to Vermont to offer support come March 07.

We have a number of folks over at the JREF that have become rather accomplished at arguing this case, as have many here. We got started because of one member (Delphi_ote) mentioning the Loose Change film, which led us to their Forums. Gravy went over there in the spirit of asking questions and trying to see what they had to offer, and got banned. That (and the dissing of relatives of the deceased by certain CTers) led him to the research and study he has done at no little cost to his pocket and free time.

He spends almost every Saturday at Ground Zero debating and debunking the CTers' who show up there to expound their pernicious fables and usually with no more than 2-3 friends to help him. It's a lonely job, but one he does probably as well as anyone.

So I'll relay your message. And if you have a day or 6, you can read all the Loose Change threads at the JREF Forums (4 parts, about 18,000 posts so far...)

[Architect]

Tha mi duillich, ach bha mi air an pub an nochd (hic, hic, falls over) ach air beurla......

Gravy is an interesting proposition. As far as I can tell, he gets off his beam end every saturday and debates with these nutters - and does so rather well. We (ie Bautforum) should support the man. And we could really do with Jay weighing in too....

[Architect]

Tha mi duillich, ach bha mi air an pub an nochd (hic, hic, falls over) ach air beurla......

I'll buy anyone who can translate that (themselves) a pint.....

[bonkey]

Scotch Gaelic, eh?

The mid part is "but I was in the pub tonight". The first part may be "I am drunk", but I'm not entirely certain. Last part...no clue.

I'm working from the similarities with Irish, btw, and I haven't used that in nigh on a decade.

[Architect]

That's Scottish Gaelic. The term "Scotch" is considered mildly insulting in Scotland and isn't eaven used to denote whisky.

And the first bit was simply an "excuse me" kind of comment....

[bonkey]

That's Scottish Gaelic. The term "Scotch" is considered mildly insulting in Scotland and isn't eaven used to denote whisky.

Oops. My bad. Won't do that again (and never did on the whisky front).

I actually meant to write "Scots Gaelic", but had a brain-fart. Would that have been also incorrect (for future reference)?

[jaydeehess]

I try to always say Scotch whiskey(including the 'whiskey') instead of just Scotch. On this continent one must do that to avoid confusion with the equally(yet different tasting) Canadian Rye whiskey or that foul corn liquor whiskey that the Yanks produce

[Architect]

I try to always say Scotch whiskey(including the 'whiskey') instead of just Scotch. On this continent one must do that to avoid confusion with the equally(yet different tasting) Canadian Rye whiskey or that foul corn liquor whiskey that the Yanks produce

I think you'll find you mean whisky. Only the Irish and North American stuff is whiskey.

[bonkey]

I think you'll find you mean whisky. Only the Irish and North American stuff is whiskey.

As an Irishman, I have difficulty accepting that the North American stuff is whiskey...but that is indeed what its called.

All the others - Scottish, Welsh (or do they still make it?), Japanese, Swiss etc. are whisky, as far as I know.

Hmm. Sounds like a conspiracy to me

[jaydeehess]

Ok neighbour if it is fact that one vowel separates the N.American from the Scottish drinks I can accept that.

One can note that they are basically the same golden colour.

One may also note that the definition of neighbour and colour are the same on both sides of the 'pond' despite an American predisposition to drop one vowel.

[jaydeehess]

I checked on my own bottles of liquor. My Glenfiddich indeed is "whisky", my Jack Daniels is "whiskey" and, my Walker's Rye is "whisky"

Seems we Canadians follow the same spelling as the Scot's.

[PhantomWolf]

Well we had Whisky based on the Scottish methods down in our own little Scotland (otherwise known as Otago) but they have closed, so these days locating a bottle of Wilson's Whisky is a prize for those that drink the horrid stuff.

[Kesh]

As an Irishman, I have difficulty accepting that the North American stuff is whiskey...but that is indeed what its called.

All the others - Scottish, Welsh (or do they still make it?), Japanese, Swiss etc. are whisky, as far as I know.

Hmm. Sounds like a conspiracy to me

Just drink Kentucky bourbon. Solves the whole problem.

[Chainsaw1]

Just drink Kentucky bourbon. Solves the whole problem.

Bards town Kentucky Bourbon festival, or you could have been around during the fire at the distillery, back in 2000, rivers of flowing whiskey flowing down the dry creeks.