Common sense tells us that the universe either had a beginning or it always existed. There can only be two possibilities. I think both possibilities are impossible because they seem to create a paradox. It seems impossible for the universe to have a beginning because to have a beginning something has to pop into existance out of absolute nothing. That is impossible.
The universe can not have a beginning because matter and energy can not pop into existance out of absolute nothing and by nothing I don't mean the empty vaccuum of space. Absolute nothing means there is absolutely nothing, not even empty space void of matter and energy where a universe could be created.
Now you could argue that there is a possibility of multiple dimensions or universes and for some reason they could create a new universe, the universe that we exist in. That is impossible as well. Matter and energy can only exist in the universe or dimension they are from. Matter and energy could never leave a universe or dimension as the laws that govern that matter and energy cease to exist outside of its originating universe or dimension.
Imagine the earth and its atmosphere as the known universe. Beyond the atmosphere of our planet is absolute nothing. If you were in a jet you could never escape from our atmosphere as there is nothing to escape into. If you were to hit the edge of our atmosphere where our known universe ends you would come to a complete halt. It would be like you hit an invisible barrier although you are hitting absolutely nothing. The only reason your jet would stop is because there is nothing beyond that point. You didn't hit anything its just there is nothing there and the matter and energy that form the jet you are sitting in are incapable of existing anywhere else other than the universe it knows and understands. Such a thing can only occur in a closed universe and for all we know the universe could be open and infinite.
So if the universe can not have a beginning then the universe must have existed forever you would think. Problem is the universe can not exist forever either. In a universe that has existed forever you have to ask the question "Well what was first?" Something had to be first because from what we see around us is that all matter and energy comes from other matter and energy. For example our solar system will eventually cease to exist and a new solar system will take form. This process happens over and over again throughout our universe. So what was first? If you travelled forward in time you would see the universe constantly changing and old matter and energy of galaxies giving birth to new galaxies. Travel backwards and the opposit would happen. But where did the matter and energy come from in the first place if the universe can not have a beginning?
To me it seems impoossible for the universe to have a beginning or for it to have always existed. What if there is a third possibility? A third possibility is impossible because there are only two possibilities but what if there is a concept that human conciousness created that prevents us from seeing what that third possibility is?
To me it seems the only way the universe could exist forever is if time did not exist. Then you no longer can ask the question "What came first?" Nothing came first and the universe has always existed but if our universe has always existed and time does not exist then you can no longer say it has always existed because that refers to the passage of time. Instead all you can say is the universe exists.
Now if time doesn't exist then why do we age? Yes we age but it is not because the cells in our bodies have clocks and know that when they get very old they have to die. They are not magically tied into some fourth dimension that tells them when to do so either. Cell division stops when the markers that control them tells them to stop dividing and because of that we change and our bodies no longer heal.
We have clocks and watches and they are not linked to a fourth dimension of time either. They do not actually measure time. They perform a mechanical function. That is why clocks are not very accurate. They are not measuring anything. The most accurate clocks we have are atomic clocks and even they are not completely accurate because they are not measuring time.
Human conciousness created time so we could make sense of the changes that occur around us. We didn't one day in our past stumble upon a corridor leading to time. We noticed that things around us don't happen all at once and we created devices that could measure change and from that we created the idea of the passage of time.
Even if time did not exist it will always exist as long as their is human conciousness because we need it to make sense of the changes that take place around us. Now you could say what? How can time not exist. If time does not exist how come when I drop a ball it doesn't hit the ground immediately? The answer is because it takes time but not because that ball is looking at the fourth dimension to see how fastly it can fall.
The ball has no knowledge of time. It is not obeying any laws of time. It is obeying the law of physics such as gravity and resistance. The fourth dimension of time if it were to exist is also not monitoring the ball deciding how fast it can fall. Space is bent and the ball is following the bend in space.
Not by choice.
You could also say what about Einsteins theory which as far as I know proves that time exists. E=MC2. According to his theory the faster you travel the slower time passes and that this has been observed and proven and even done with atomic clocks. I don't think it would mean his equation is wrong just that is has to be reworded. What if it is not time that is slowing down but instead it is matter and energy that slow down and we perceive it as time slowing down. Wouldn't the theory still be correct?
There was a show where this guy was talking about how there is this particle and how it existed in two places at once. He said look here is one particle but it is in two places at the same time. He said people wouldn't believe you.
Its not that they don't believe you its just they are not sure you know what you are talking about. Something along those lines. Now what if time didn't exist? Wouldn't that solve a lot of problems with quantum mechanics? If time doesn't exist then why couldn't a particle exist in two places at once?
Maybe it would create new problems?
So am I completely insane or did any of this make any sense? I can't see how the universe could have a beginning or how it could have existed forever. Only way I can get it to make sense is if time is not involved. Even if time did not exist I still have too many questions that don't seem to make sense.
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