The Elemental Energy Wave/Particle; definitely Against the Mainstream

[Bogie]

I wrote sentences about an Event Horizon just from a mainstream physics.
They have a problem with the observations suggesting that something stranges happens close a very heavy star.
In our Observable Universe Black Hole LIke Objects grow because they absorb more matter than emit. If BHLO has absorbed everything from its environment and it emits only it will eveporate at least according to Hawking or emits its energy in radio emission according to my idea.
Recent theories claim that information can not be lost.

Thanks czeslaw. Sometimes I think I understand you, and that worries me .

Let me ask you if you are studying black holes because you want to find out if they are causing our universe to be the way it is, or are you trying to find out what role they play?

Either way, do you think that the accelerating expansion of our universe is indicating we are in an "open" shaped universe that will expand forever until entropy is complete, or do you see black holes playing a role in changing the outcome?

Do you have a problem with my view of a greater universe that is filled with big crunches and big bursts?

[blueshift]

electrons have a magnetic dipole?

please explain further

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole

"atoms" were mentioned not electrons.

if they have electric fields do they not by implication have magnetic fields?

No because there is no EM within a black hole. Magnetic field lines explode when an object forms a black hole. One of the problems that John Archibald Wheeler brought up to his post docs for research ws to calculate the possibility that a a magnetic field could become strong enough to implode to a black hole or a singularity. After all magnetic field lines warp spacetime since they are energy and it stood to reason there was a possiblity. Kip Thorne did the math for several months and told him that the answer is a flat "no". A magnetic field has the shape of a cylinder and cannot form a black hole because no matter how hard the magnetic field lines are squeezed, they will always spring back. Gravity can grow strong but not enough to win the battle with pressure of the flux lines to repell each other when compressed in only 2 spatial directions as a cylinder of lines would represent. Only if compression by gravity is in all three spatial directions can gravity become so strong that it overwhelms pressure.

Magnetic fields can be emitted from the event horizon when a BH eats a star. The hole will at first inherit the magnetic field from the star but the hole has no power to hold onto it. EM does not exist within in. Light not only cannot escape the hole but cannot exist within it. The field slips off and is radiated away after being converted into EM radiation.

[czeslaw]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DipoleNo because there is no EM within a black hole. Magnetic field lines explode when an object forms a black hole. One of the problems that John Archibald Wheeler brought up to his post docs for research ws to calculate the possibility that a a magnetic field could become strong enough to implode to a black hole or a singularity. After all magnetic field lines warp spacetime since they are energy and it stood to reason there was a possiblity. Kip Thorne did the math for several months and told him that the answer is a flat "no". A magnetic field has the shape of a cylinder and cannot form a black hole because no matter how hard the magnetic field lines are squeezed, they will always spring back. Gravity can grow strong but not enough to win the battle with pressure of the flux lines to repell each other when compressed in only 2 spatial directions as a cylinder of lines would represent. Only if compression by gravity is in all three spatial directions can gravity become so strong that it overwhelms pressure.

Magnetic fields can be emitted from the event horizon when a BH eats a star. The hole will at first inherit the magnetic field from the star but the hole has no power to hold onto it. EM does not exist within in. Light not only cannot escape the hole but cannot exist within it. The field slips off and is radiated away after being converted into EM radiation.

The black hole energy is being efficiently converted into magnetic fields. The mechanism is not yet fully understood, but Kronberg and his colleagues believe a black hole accretion disk could be acting similarly to an electric motor. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0604073033.htm

[czeslaw]

Thanks czeslaw. Sometimes I think I understand you, and that worries me .

Let me ask you if you are studying black holes because you want to find out if they are causing our universe to be the way it is, or are you trying to find out what role they play?

Either way, do you think that the accelerating expansion of our universe is indicating we are in an "open" shaped universe that will expand forever until entropy is complete, or do you see black holes playing a role in changing the outcome?

Do you have a problem with my view of a greater universe that is filled with big crunches and big bursts?

Yes. I am studying Black Holes because they might be like our Observable Universe. Some scientists claim they aren't because BH's singularity is an end of the process and Universe's singularity is a begin. I would like to find that a BH does not collapse into an end point singularity but grows and expands like our Observable Universe. If an Event Horizon of the BH does not exist and it may expand it is possible that there is a greater universe that is filled with big crunches and big bursts.

[blueshift]

The black hole energy is being efficiently converted into magnetic fields. The mechanism is not yet fully understood, but Kronberg and his colleagues believe a black hole accretion disk could be acting similarly to an electric motor. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0604073033.htm

Stirling Colgate was a good friend of Thorne's and that very proposal was brought up by Thorne to him to place a ring to act as an energy extractor to extract energy from the event horizon. With the use of superconducting coils the magnetic fields that are popping off of the horizon can be held there to extract energy. The spinning horizon then drags space in the vicinity of the coils and twists the field to interact with the coil, inducing gigantic electrical currents. Future generations will likely search for black holes as places of energy sources to live off of for long periods of time.

I didn't know that Stirling was still alive and kicking. It is good to see that he is still influential after all these years.

[Bogie]

Here is a new disclaimer to go with my EEP thread. I thought I would start with this as I update the thread with the latest version of the ISU and the EEP.

The Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) and the Elementary Energy Particle (EEP)

Disclaimer: This work is based on speculative ideas for which no test and little or no math is proposed. There is much math that covers many similar ideas so if someone is inclined to start the math rolling I will be supportive.

The terms I use often require special definitions and those definitions are not always provided. As a result I will use words and terms that are not exactly appropriate, and I may completely misuse words and terms. I reserve the right to “coin” words and phrases.

This is bottom up approach to cosmology. That means that I don’t adhere to anything except the observations that are available to the general public in the canned media analysis of what is going on in science.

I don’t rely on and I am not for or against any existing theory in particular unless specifically stated.

I am highly UNqualified for this effort. My best credential is my aptitude for visualization of mechanical processes and the ability to imagine environments interacting and moving in time, and of course a vivid imagination in and of itself.

Building from the bottom up is a slow process and I am taking baby steps. My method is to describe what would have to be in order to cause what we observe. I intend to try to come up with the simplest solutions to questions about what has to be true in order to explain particular observations that we make.

For example, observations indicate that matter is composed of energy. So I come up a with concept of a perfect energy background that occupies space. Obviously matter exists and so I come up with a scenario of how matter would form from that energy background. Observations seem to indicate an expansion from the origination of a tiny volume of high energy density, either from a singularity, from the burst of a big crunch, or some other alternative that occurred some 13.7 billion years ago, so I make up a scenario of a greater universe in which such an event could occur naturally. The progression of entropy would seem to doom any finite expanding physical universe and so define rules of energy and matter that would defeat entropy. Empty space is a concept that requires “nothing” to exist in those empty spaces and so I amend my scenario of a perfect energy background so it is made of space that is never empty but is filled with continuous energy composed of quantum packets that can have variable pressure and expand and contract to fill all empty space so that there is none.

I have a scenario of expansion, abundant matter formation, hydrogen, gravity, the cause of gravity, star formation, heavier nuclei, galaxies, solar systems and black holes within galaxies, life, big crunches, and bursting crunches that expand out into an infinite universe filled infinitely with energy and characterized by a lattice of crunch/burst systems that maintain a consistent overall relationship between energy and matter while individually demonstrating a complete range of variability within an energy to matter to energy cycle. Sometimes my work, like the above sentence, is “simply imponderable” .

I am always taking up on specific observations and amending my scenarios to accommodate them. Your input is always welcome to help me do that.

I don’t try to catch up or keep up with bodies of knowledge based on back engineering, particle accelerators, quantum particle theory, general relativity, high energy physics or any other knowledge bases that have been built up by great minds over long periods of peer review. And they don’t try to keep up with my baby steps from the bottom up. But I maintain that there is a curve of scientific advancement. Ideas lead the curve, hard science is on the curve, and falsified theory is behind the curve. Small ideas do count IMHO.

Most importantly I use and value highly the input of others on my threads and on other threads and forums. I am also always open to questions about my ideas and open to assistance to help me understand what we observe in the universe around us, just in case what I have made up isn’t right .

And finally, this work is a confusion of fact and ideas. Please view it as such, please enjoy, and please contribute to the unraveling of the confusion if you can.

The Infinite and Infinitesimal; an infinite universe composed of infinitesimal quantum packets of energy.

[Bogie]

Introduction to the ISU

The Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) is a cosmology.

The greater universe (ISU) has always existed and the energy of which it is composed has always existed. It is infinite and filled with an infinite amount of energy. Energy is composed of Elementary Energy Packets or Particles (EEPs) that exist as energy density in space (packets) or as quantum building blocks of matter (particles).

Our observable universe is characteristic of what takes place in each “arena” of space, and there are a potentially infinite number of arenas in the ISU.

Our universe is in the expansion phase of a big crunch/burst. Each crunch/burst takes place in an arena. Each crunch defines a new arena, but an arena is not new space; it is the efficient reuse of existing space where crunch/bursts play out over trillions of years.

Matter enters the arena from the expansion phase of surrounding crunch/bursts and gravity causes it to accumulate into a crunch. The size of the arena, always consistent, is defined by the volume of space from which the gravitational field of the resulting crunch was able to attract matter. This is a finite patch of space estimated to have a radius of a trillion light years. It is estimated to take ten trillion years for a crunch to from within its arena and two trillion years for a burst to expand to fill its arena.

Each arena has two prevailing energy densities referred to as pressures; the pressure of the space surrounding the crunch, and the pressure of the space within the crunch that emerges as part of the energy to matter to energy cycle that plays out in each arena.

When the crunch bursts, the two energy densities merge and the result of this merger of energy densities is a pressure environment that expands rapidly throughout the arena (rapidly meaning over a period of two trillion years or so). The expansion is characterized by phases of initial expansion, matter formation, accelerated expansion, and finally disbursal into surrounding arenas.

Crunch/bursts are not cyclical; though energy is indestructible, they do not contain the same energy and matter cycling over and over again. Each crunch is formed from the matter that expands out of surrounding arenas and into the gravity grasp of the new arena.

On a grand scale these arenas make up an infinite lattice of crunch/bursts pulsing in a rhythm that reflects the natural order of an infinite history.

These are first three axioms of the ISU:

1) If ever there was nothing, nothing could ever exist.

2) Whenever something exists, something will always exist.

3) The universe is energy that has always existed and will always exist.

[Bogie]

1. The greater universe (ISU) has always existed.

I guess no one really knows. And the standard theory doesn’t consider it important because all we have to do is agree that space didn’t exist before the Big Bang and everything can be built from there.

Now let’s separate the blue shirts from the red shirts.

You know you are a blue shirt if you think there was a beginning.

You know you are a red shirt if you think the universe has always existed.

It is as simple as that, I think.

If you are willing, post as to if you are a blue shirt of a red shirt.

I am a red shirt.

[Bogie]

The Energy Background of the ISU

The ISU is all about energy. Many theories and areas of scientific study, including General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics employ the concept of energy density in space. In GR, vacuum energy density is referred to as the cosmological constant, and in QM virtual particles are said to form from the energy in space. The pressure of the energy density of space is used in all kinds of theories from Einstein’s theory of gravity to the cause of the exponential expansion of the inflationary epoch that followed the Big Bang.

In the ISU, all space is occupied by energy. Space is said to have energy density. The energy density of space has a characteristic called pressure. The pressure of the energy density of space is P = E / V, i.e. pressure equals energy divided by volume.

I call the energy in space Type 1 energy. The energy in matter is called Type 2 energy. Type 1 energy has just one form, i.e. it is potential Type 2 energy. Type 2 energy takes at least eight forms, including kinetic energy, light energy, gravitational energy, sound energy, elastic energy, chemical energy, electrical energy, nuclear energy and I’m sure there are others of which I would like to be reminded if you think of them. And in my idea there is one more important type of T2 energy, and that is T2 energy is potential T1 energy, i.e. there is an energy to matter to energy cycle (T1 to T2 and back to T1).

I have a series of four or five posts of about 500 words each that advance my ideas about energy in T1 space.

I have a hesitation to ever post many more than say 500 words at a time and I’m told that others appreciate this self imposed word limit so I guess I’ll try to stick by it. More to follow …

[Bogie]

No one answered with any additional forms of T2 energy. I listed at least eight forms, including kinetic energy, light energy, gravitational energy, sound energy, elastic energy, chemical energy, electrical energy, and nuclear energy.

I was asking if there were other forms of energy. Did I miss any obvious forms or energy? Please post if you think I did and if my list is complete as far as you know, please post “it seems complete”.

No one has posted to tell me if they are a blue shirt of a red shirt. This is not a big deal is it? I’m a red shirt because I advocate a cosmology where the universe has always existed. Blue shirts advocate a cosmology where there was a beginning.

I don’t care if you post nothing else or if you are normally a lurker or if you have threads of your own going; please just post “Blue shirt” or “Red Shirt” if nothing else.

I’m not asking to start a big dispute about I’m wrong or right. I just want to know how popular or unpopular it is to think the universe has always existed. If it makes me worse that a dunce I will consider crawling into a hole is all (just kidding).

[Bogie]

The Energy Background of the ISU

The ISU is all about energy. Many theories and areas of scientific study, including General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics employ the concept of energy density in space. In GR, vacuum energy density is referred to as the cosmological constant, and in QM virtual particles are said to form from the energy in space. The pressure of the energy density of space is used in all kinds of theories from Einstein’s theory of gravity to the cause of the exponential expansion of the inflationary epoch that followed the Big Bang.

In the ISU, all space is occupied by energy. Space is said to have energy density. The energy density of space has a characteristic called pressure. The pressure of the energy density of space is P = E / V, i.e. pressure equals energy divided by volume.

I call the energy in space Type 1 energy. The energy in matter is called Type 2 energy. Type 1 energy has just one form, i.e. it is potential Type 2 energy. Type 2 energy takes at least eight forms, including kinetic energy, light energy, gravitational energy, sound energy, elastic energy, chemical energy, electrical energy, nuclear energy and I’m sure there are others of which I would like to be reminded if you think of them. And in my idea there is one more important type of T2 energy, and that is T2 energy is potential T1 energy, i.e. there is an energy to matter to energy cycle (T1 to T2 and back to T1).

I have a series of four or five posts of about 500 words each that advance my ideas about energy in T1 space.

I have a hesitation to ever post many more than say 500 words at a time and I’m told that others appreciate this self imposed word limit so I guess I’ll try to stick by it. More to follow …

Energy density in space is quantum

I am going to advance the idea that energy is the fundamental component of the universe. Energy is the cause of everything that happens, and space is where everything happens. Energy is indestructible and fills all space. The energy in space is defined as the pressure of the energy density of space and can be represented by P = E / V, where P is pressure, E is energy, and V is volume.

Energy environments

When ever and where ever energy exists it exists in an energy environment, and every energy environment has its own pressure.
A big bang is an energy environment that according to blue shirts started as a singularity; a point of infinite density and zero volume. That was an energy environment.
The big bang is expanding according to blue shirts and as it expands it is an energy environment, i.e. an ever changing energy environment.
Red shirts may see it differently. For example I am a big crunch/big burst type, i.e. a red shirt. The big burst when it emerges from a big crunch is an energy environment.
As the burst expands it is an energy environment at all points along the way.
My own idea envisions that these larger energy environments are composed of tiny quanta of energy, i.e. elementary energy packets or particles (EEPs). Each individual EEP is an energy environment of its own.
The EEP pulses and as it pulses it contracts in volume and increases in density, and then it expands in volume and decreases in density, and all throughout this contraction and expansion it is its own tiny variable energy environment.
My idea of how matter forms from the energy density of space requires a more detailed description of the EEP and what are called EEP overlap environments.

My 500 words has been reached so I will continue later with the very important concept of EEP overlap environments and the quantum capacity. You can't wait, right?

[Bogie]

Energy density in space is quantum

I am going to advance the idea that energy is the fundamental component of the universe. Energy is the cause of everything that happens, and space is where everything happens. Energy is indestructible and fills all space. The energy in space is defined as the pressure of the energy density of space and can be represented by P = E / V, where P is pressure, E is energy, and V is volume.

Energy environments

When ever and where ever energy exists it exists in an energy environment, and every energy environment has its own pressure.
A big bang is an energy environment that according to blue shirts started as a singularity; a point of infinite density and zero volume. That was an energy environment.
The big bang is expanding according to blue shirts and as it expands it is an energy environment, i.e. an ever changing energy environment.
Red shirts may see it differently. For example I am a big crunch/big burst type, i.e. a red shirt. The big burst when it emerges from a big crunch is an energy environment.
As the burst expands it is an energy environment at all points along the way.
My own idea envisions that these larger energy environments are composed of tiny quanta of energy, i.e. elementary energy packets or particles (EEPs). Each individual EEP is an energy environment of its own.
The EEP pulses and as it pulses it contracts in volume and increases in density, and then it expands in volume and decreases in density, and all throughout this contraction and expansion it is its own tiny variable energy environment.
My idea of how matter forms from the energy density of space requires a more detailed description of the EEP and what are called EEP overlap environments.

My 500 words has been reached so I will continue later with the very important concept of EEP overlap environments and the quantum capacity. You can't wait, right?

The Quantum:

In the ISU, there is a tiny amount of energy that can be described as the smallest increment of energy that can have any meaningful impact on the universe. A meaningful impact is described as anything that can cause a change in matter, no matter how small the change. That amount of energy is called the elementary energy particle (EEP) and is the quanta of energy (E).

Though the EEP has “particle” in its name it cannot be detected individually in space where it is a quantum packet of energy. But the reference to “particle” is valid because energy composes matter, and the tiniest increment of energy that can contribute to the composition of matter is the EEP.


The Overlap:

My view of the energy background is a seething and jostling energy environment, made up of tiny individual energy packets that are contracting, expanding and overlapping as they expand.

These individual EEPs in the energy density of space contract only once, and then they expand only once, but the larger environment is always full of contracting and expanding EEPs.


The expansion results in disbursal of that particular quantum of energy out into overlaps with adjoining EEPs that have expanded around it. Each overlap becomes a new energy environment.

During the packet expansion, each time an overlapping environment reaches the quantum EEP capacity it contracts.

An overlap starts as a tiny point where two or more expanding EEPs converge and since they have no boundaries they mix and merge. The merged volume of space is made up of portions of other expanding EEPs, and each overlap becomes an energy environment in and of itself. Each new overlap environment will grow in volume and in energy as the overlap proceeds.

Any given overlap may or may not reach a quantum of energy. The process of reaching quantum capacity can be interrupted if the surrounding overlaps reach quantum capacity too soon, i.e. if the energy density (pressure) is too high.

When an overlap reaches quantum capacity and begins to contract it is surrounded by other overlap segments that are also growing toward capacity. The frequency of the background determines when quantum packets will be able to fully express their contractions. If an overlap reaches quantum capacity and contracts, the extent of the contraction depends on the status of adjacent overlaps. If adjoining overlaps reach quantum capacity too soon that interferes with the energy density needed to allow full collapse.

To form matter, the overlap must have a quantum of energy and it must be allowed to collapse completely before its surrounding pressure disrupts the collapse.

I know how complicated this overlap concept is. If you really want to give the ISU a chance you need to re-read this overlap section until you can envision it. When you realize the pressure is the key to matter formation, and the pressure at which abundant matter formation occurs is a sort of a rhythm that occurs after there has been sufficient expansion of the burst environment, then you are seeing the possibilities of the energy density of space.

[Bogie]

The Quantum:

In the ISU, there is a tiny amount of energy that can be described as the smallest increment of energy that can have any meaningful impact on the universe. A meaningful impact is described as anything that can cause a change in matter, no matter how small the change. That amount of energy is called the elementary energy particle (EEP) and is the quanta of energy (E).

Though the EEP has “particle” in its name it cannot be detected individually in space where it is a quantum packet of energy. But the reference to “particle” is valid because energy composes matter, and the tiniest increment of energy that can contribute to the composition of matter is the EEP.


The Overlap:

My view of the energy background is a seething and jostling energy environment, made up of tiny individual energy packets that are contracting, expanding and overlapping as they expand.

These individual EEPs in the energy density of space contract only once, and then they expand only once, but the larger environment is always full of contracting and expanding EEPs.


The expansion results in disbursal of that particular quantum of energy out into overlaps with adjoining EEPs that have expanded around it. Each overlap becomes a new energy environment.

During the packet expansion, each time an overlapping environment reaches the quantum EEP capacity it contracts.

An overlap starts as a tiny point where two or more expanding EEPs converge and since they have no boundaries they mix and merge. The merged volume of space is made up of portions of other expanding EEPs, and each overlap becomes an energy environment in and of itself. Each new overlap environment will grow in volume and in energy as the overlap proceeds.

Any given overlap may or may not reach a quantum of energy. The process of reaching quantum capacity can be interrupted if the surrounding overlaps reach quantum capacity too soon, i.e. if the energy density (pressure) is too high.

When an overlap reaches quantum capacity and begins to contract it is surrounded by other overlap segments that are also growing toward capacity. The frequency of the background determines when quantum packets will be able to fully express their contractions. If an overlap reaches quantum capacity and contracts, the extent of the contraction depends on the status of adjacent overlaps. If adjoining overlaps reach quantum capacity too soon that interferes with the energy density needed to allow full collapse.

To form matter, the overlap must have a quantum of energy and it must be allowed to collapse completely before its surrounding pressure disrupts the collapse.

I know how complicated this overlap concept is. If you really want to give the ISU a chance you need to re-read this overlap section until you can envision it. When you realize the pressure is the key to matter formation, and the pressure at which abundant matter formation occurs is a sort of a rhythm that occurs after there has been sufficient expansion of the burst environment, then you are seeing the possibilities of the energy density of space.

The Energy to Matter to Energy Cycle

The ISU is composed of energy. Energy has a cycle. The cycle goes from energy to matter to energy on a large scale. It does that by converting T1 energy (background energy) to T2 energy (matter) and back to T1 energy (background energy).

The Infinite Spongy Universe uses finite arenas to carry out the T1:T2:T1 cycle.

This cycle requires a large but finite amount of energy to perform. The cycle cannot be completed with less than the required amount of energy, and it takes an arena of space to provide the energy required.

The ISU is infinite and so it is made up of a potentially infinite number or arenas. The principle is that an arena sized space will always contain the energy equivalent of a big crunch.

Energy equivalent to a big crunch simply means that in a space large enough to be called an arena, there is enough T1 and T2 energy to form a big crunch.

The principle is that energy and matter in the ISU are in balance and invariable on a large scale. Across the ISU, 50% of the energy is T1 and 50% is T2. This 50/50 split is arbitrary and is only being used to show the principle. The actual T1/T2 ratio cannot be determined.

Though invariable on a large scale, the T1/T2 ratio within an arena is variable.

Though it may start at 50/50 in a randomly selected arena, given enough time it will range from an estimated 90/10 to 10/90. This is the ratio range for any arena.

Each arena is continuously cycling between the limits of this ratio. A big crunch and a big burst are events that occur as the ratio varies in an arena. For visualization purposes, when a big crunch is forming, the center of the arena is visualized as the center of gravity of the arena.

In an arena, the T1/T2 ratio change is accompanied by a corresponding change in the energy density of the T1 energy, and by a corresponding change in the total mass of the T2 energy.



At the point where the crunch has completely formed and before the T2 energy in matter contained in the crunch has been converted to T1 energy, the ratio is 10% T1 and 90% T2.

At the point where the burst emerges from the crunch and the final T2 energy is converted back to T1 energy the ratio is 90% T1 to 10% T2.

When the expansion of the emerged T1 energy lowers the pressure of the expansion environment sufficiently to allow matter formation, the ratio reverts to 10% T1 and 90% T2 in a very brief period.

This brief period is referred to as the period of abundant matter formation. This period is typified by elementary energy packets of T1 energy in T1 space converting to T2 energy in the form of elementary energy particles (EEPs), i.e. the quantum particles that form matter.

The conversion pressure occurs simultaneously across the expansion of the T1 energy that emerged from the big burst.

[Bogie]

If you have followed this bottom up process recently you know that I have described three basic things that science does not support, but that would seem to be able to lead to three basic observations that science has trouble explaining.

There is a greater universe that allows “Big Bang” type events.
There is a natural energy to matter to energy cycle that defeats entropy.
There is an abundant matter formation period during the expansion phase of the energy density from a “Big Bang” type event.

To serve as a summary of my posts, here is a table of contents and links to the recent content posts.

The ISU

Table of Contents

My disclaimer is here ----> http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=246

Introduction to the ISU --> http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=247
The ISU
The EEP
Arenas
Big Crunch
Big Burst
Crunch/Burst time frame
Arena Formation
Merging Pressures
Phases of Expansion
Not Cyclical
Infinite Lattice
Axioms


The Energy Background of the ISU --> http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=249
Other views of energy in space
Energy Density
P = E / V (pressure formula)
Type 1 energy (T1)
Type 2 energy (T2)
The T1 to T2 to T1 energy cycle


Energy Density in Space is Quantum
Energy Environments
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=251
Energy - The fundamental component
Space – Where things happen
Energy fills all space
Energy Environments
EEPs are energy environments
EEPs pulse
EEPs have variable density
Matter forms from energy in space
EEPs overlap
EEP overlaps are environments


The Quantum
The Overlap
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=252
The quanta of energy - EEPs
Matter composed of EEPs
Jostling
The overlap environment
EEPs: one contraction, one expansion
Then the overlaps
Reaching quantum
Quantum capacity
Pressure dependent
Matter formation rules
Abundant matter formation


[b/The Energy to Matter to Energy Cycle[/b]
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=253
Continuous cycle
T1:T2:T1
Infinite occurrence of finite arenas
Finite matter/energy per arena
Big crunch/burst per arena
Large scale T1:T2 balance
Burst energy expands in arena
Arena T1:T2 variable
Arena energy density variable
Arena pulse frequency variable
Arena center
Pressure variable
Pressure lower with expansion
Matter formation pressure
Abundant matter formation
EEPs form matter
Simultaneous conversion

My thinking goes in two directions from here. I build on the landscape of the greater universe and I build on the matter formation process. I still can’t promise any real science yet but I can promise that I will be adding detail to the speculations instead of expanding the speculative limits which already reach to the infinite and the infinitesimal.

Before I continue with post after post adding to the bottom up process I need to try to find out if there is any interest.

Whether you are a blue shirt or a red shirt I think you should take this opportunity to comment about the content. Especially comment if you see factual flaws though I have used few facts; and comment if you think the ideas I present have already been proved wrong.

If you don’t comment now I assume you have no interest or you think I am OK as far as I have gone.

[Bogie]

The Energy to Matter to Energy Cycle

The ISU is composed of energy. Energy has a cycle. The cycle goes from energy to matter to energy on a large scale. It does that by converting T1 energy (background energy) to T2 energy (matter) and back to T1 energy (background energy).

The Infinite Spongy Universe uses finite arenas to carry out the T1:T2:T1 cycle.

This cycle requires a large but finite amount of energy to perform. The cycle cannot be completed with less than the required amount of energy, and it takes an arena of space to provide the energy required.

The ISU is infinite and so it is made up of a potentially infinite number or arenas. The principle is that an arena sized space will always contain the energy equivalent of a big crunch.

Energy equivalent to a big crunch simply means that in a space large enough to be called an arena, there is enough T1 and T2 energy to form a big crunch.

The principle is that energy and matter in the ISU are in balance and invariable on a large scale. Across the ISU, 50% of the energy is T1 and 50% is T2. This 50/50 split is arbitrary and is only being used to show the principle. The actual T1/T2 ratio cannot be determined.

Though invariable on a large scale, the T1/T2 ratio within an arena is variable.

Though it may start at 50/50 in a randomly selected arena, given enough time it will range from an estimated 90/10 to 10/90. This is the ratio range for any arena.

Each arena is continuously cycling between the limits of this ratio. A big crunch and a big burst are events that occur as the ratio varies in an arena. For visualization purposes, when a big crunch is forming, the center of the arena is visualized as the center of gravity of the arena.

In an arena, the T1/T2 ratio change is accompanied by a corresponding change in the energy density of the T1 energy, and by a corresponding change in the total mass of the T2 energy.



At the point where the crunch has completely formed and before the T2 energy in matter contained in the crunch has been converted to T1 energy, the ratio is 10% T1 and 90% T2.

At the point where the burst emerges from the crunch and the final T2 energy is converted back to T1 energy the ratio is 90% T1 to 10% T2.

When the expansion of the emerged T1 energy lowers the pressure of the expansion environment sufficiently to allow matter formation, the ratio reverts to 10% T1 and 90% T2 in a very brief period.

This brief period is referred to as the period of abundant matter formation. This period is typified by elementary energy packets of T1 energy in T1 space converting to T2 energy in the form of elementary energy particles (EEPs), i.e. the quantum particles that form matter.

The conversion pressure occurs simultaneously across the expansion of the T1 energy that emerged from the big burst.

In an expanding universe that contains matter, the change in distance between two objects of equal mass over a measured time is made up of an expansion component and a gravity component.

Pressure (energy density of space) is the expansion component. There is an inverse relationship between volume of space and the pressure of the energy density of that space. When volume doubles the pressure is cut in half. For every 100% change in volume there is a 50% decrease in pressure.

This is demonstrated using the formula P = E / V.

When you double V, P is cut in half. Can you see that?

T1 space is separate from T2 space. T1 space (energy density = pressure) is unaffected by the presence of matter and therefore is unaffected by gravity, but is affected by expansion. Therefore T1 space will double in volume every time the pressure drops by 50%.

T2 space is space that contains matter and is affected by gravity and by expansion.

When we talk about the expansion of the universe, generally we talk about the expansion of matter in the universe, i.e. we talk about T2 space.

In a scenario where expansion of space occurs before matter forms, we have to be able to talk about what happens in T1 space without matter, what happens to the pressure of T1 space when matter forms, and what happens in both T1 and T2 space after matter formation occurs.

T2 space contains matter and is affected by gravity. Without expansion, the force of gravity is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between masses.

With expansion and gravity in T2 space, the change in distance between two objects of equal mass over a measured time is made up of an expansion component (for every 100% change in radius there is a 100% increase in distance between objects) and a gravity component (for every 100% change in radius of our universe there is a 75% reduction in gravity).

Since gravity declines faster than pressure the expansion of T2 space is accelerating but the expansion of T1 space remains constant.

Is there anyone who will refute this stance? I'd like to hear from you so I could correct my scenario.

It would scare me if anyone agreed with me on this.

[ngeo]

Hi Bogie,

I don't think I understand all the cosmological views you have, but in this case I think you have to figure out what is causing the expansion. That force does not stop. The way I have figured it is that matter is both created and maintained by that force or energy, so there is no cosmological expansion in the region of matter, and regions of matter are effectively a starting point for further expansion, which creates more matter etc. The force not only creates the expanding field but continues to operate within the field. So for example it makes sense (to me) why expansion should take place in voids.

So I am not sure the pressure decline, gravity, etc. are as you have put them above.

[Bogie]

Hi Bogie,

I don't think I understand all the cosmological views you have, but in this case I think you have to figure out what is causing the expansion. That force does not stop. The way I have figured it is that matter is both created and maintained by that force or energy, so there is no cosmological expansion in the region of matter, and regions of matter are effectively a starting point for further expansion, which creates more matter etc. The force not only creates the expanding field but continues to operate within the field. So for example it makes sense (to me) why expansion should take place in voids.

So I am not sure the pressure decline, gravity, etc. are as you have put them above.

Whew, I'm stuffed. New Years Eve, dinner out, and then figuring out the universe, lol.

Ngeo, thanks for the comment. I think that "our" expanding universe was very compact some 13.7 billion years ago. What was the nature of that compact universe? I'm thinking it was energy; energy before matter formed from it. Energy in space. A finite amount of energy in a finite amount of space. Its primary characteristic is that it has pressure. P = E / V. The pressure is what causes the finite energy in finite space to expand. You can think of it as creating space as it expands if you like; I prefer to think of it expanding into existing space, but it doesn't matter in regards to the P = E / V formula. Clearly as you increase V (volume), P (pressure) declines. A steady increase in the radius of the expanding sphere causes a steady increase in volume and a steady decline in pressure. This is pure math. Double the radius of the sphere and the distance between objects doubles. I have built a table ...

Gravity doesn't exist during this initial expansion of the energy density.

When matter does form, it forms abundantly across the entire volume of expansion. Then matter does what matter does best; it accumulates due to gravity here and there. When that is happening, the space the matter is in is expanding, and the matter in that space is expanding along with the expansion of space. Matter is then affected by two opposite but unequal forces, i.e. expansion and gravity.

Gravity on a large scale declines by 75% every time the distance doubles. This is pure math. Double the distance between two objects of equal mass and the force of gravity declines by 75% as I said. I also built a table to prove it but it is simple math.

The expansion of matter on a large scale accelerates because the space containing the matter expands faster than gravity resists the expansion.

Gravity on a small scale is stronger and so for small distances like our solar system, Newtonian gravity is good enough for government work, but on larger scales you have to start factoring in the expansion of space to get the force of gravity more accurately.

Tell me what part you want more explanation about and if you want the tables I have built with the math. You're a mathematician aren't you. Check my figures and you can verify accelerating expansion after matter formation.

[Bogie]

Tell me if you have trouble understanding my ideas or if they are bad ideas.

Why don’t you comment now?

In an expanding universe that contains matter, the change in distance between two objects of equal mass over a measured time is made up of an expansion component and a gravity component.

The expansion is caused by the high pressure of energy in space moving into and equalizing with the low pressure space surrounding it. It is "inflation" of the expanding energy from the "big bang" or "big burst".

To make it clear, I am not talking about the expansion as if it was an explosion where it is obvious what the direction of motion is. Inflation of the expanding universe takes place throughout the entire expanse in the same proportion. If the radius increases by 10%, the distance between all objects within the sphere increases by 10%. The inflation is proportional because the high pressure space and the low pressure space equalize their pressure across the entire expanse as the expansion proceeds. I have the math for this.

The gravity is caused by the low pressure space that surrounds matter as it forms, and that is maintained by the fact that matter draws energy from the space around it to express its own gravity. This is radical isn't it, ?

The reason that the expansion of matter within the expanding space is accelerating is because gravity attraction declines faster as the radius of the sphere increases. I have math for this.

[ngeo]

Hi Bogie,

I have a problem with the idea that there is a finite amount of energy or space. I believe there is an infinite "amount" but since energy is motion, and motion takes time and space to describe, it can't all happen at once - the infinity takes an infinite "amount" of time and space to describe.

As I understand it, the volume of a sphere is 4/3 x pi x the radius cubed. So if the radius doubles from say 2 to 4, the volume increases from approx. 33 to approx. 256, so if pressure is proportional to volume it will decrease proportionately - and in your equation E = P/V so there is a catastrophic loss of energy pretty quickly.

So I am not sure our ideas are compatible. In my scenario matter creation is continuous, forever. Pressure of space is constant in the region of matter, but it will increase slightly in voids and may create matter even within the field as well as at the edge of the field.

[Bogie]

Hi Bogie,

I have a problem with the idea that there is a finite amount of energy or space. I believe there is an infinite "amount" …

Me too. But I think that the infinite energy obeys some rules in the greater universe.

One is that energy is indestructible and that it has a cycle of energy to matter to energy. Our expanding universe is an example of that cycle at work. There is a finite amount of energy in "our expanding piece" of the greater universe. Our expanding universe occupies space within the Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU), which is infinite.

… but since energy is motion, and motion takes time and space to describe, it can't all happen at once - the infinity takes an infinite "amount" of time and space to describe.

I think we agree. The universe is infinite and had no beginning, i.e. it has always existed.

The energy to matter to energy cycle only requires a finite volume of space to play out, so it plays out in a potentially infinite number of arenas at the same time. An arena is a volume of space similar to the size of space associated with "our" expanding universe. It contains a finite amount of energy, some of which is in the form of matter, and some is energy density in space.

As I understand it, the volume of a sphere is 4/3 x pi x the radius cubed. So if the radius doubles from say 2 to 4, the volume increases from approx. 33 to approx. 256, so if pressure is proportional to volume it will decrease proportionately - and in your equation E = P/V so there is a catastrophic loss of energy pretty quickly.

Yes to the eight fold increase in volume when the radius doubles, but no to the loss of energy. There is a loss of pressure but the total energy remains the same.

And this example touches on my earlier point. "Our expanding piece" of the greater universe is an inflating ball of energy, and as the radius of the ball increases the distance between each object increases proportionally. When the radius doubles, the distance between objects doubles also (excluding the offsetting effect of gravity).

When the distance between two objects of equal mass is doubled, the gravitational field between them is reduced by 75%.

Every time the radius doubles, gravity declines 75%, regardless of the decline in pressure.

As long as the pressure is positive relative to the space it is expanding into, it will keep expanding. And as it expands, gravity will keep getting weaker due to the increased distance between objects.

So I am not sure our ideas are compatible. In my scenario matter creation is continuous, forever.

We agree on this point but I think we agree for different reasons.

I agree that there is matter creation going on in each arena as part of the matter to energy to matter cycle. The matter gets converted back to energy though in my scenario, so matter creation and negation occur as part of a continual process.

Pressure of space is constant in the region of matter, but it will increase slightly in voids and may create matter even within the field as well as at the edge of the field.

That view is not too radical, but we don’t agree here.

I will talk about things like pressure, “our” universe, the matter to energy to matter cycle, etc. in terms of an individual arena, because each arena is a similar volume of energy, space, matter, and pressure. Arenas are temporary and end when the matter expands right out of them.

At the arena scale the ISU is homogeneous and no matter where you look arenas will be playing out their matter to energy to matter cycle and disbursing matter out to other arenas that form amongst the disbursing arenas.

During the cycle that plays out in each arena the energy is quite constant, but the pressure is variable, and the energy to matter ratio is variable.

First let me give my view about pressure in an arena. Stop me if I am going to fast, lol. The arena has a finite size and always has pressure to one degree or another depending on where the arena is in the matter to energy to matter cycle.

If we say that cycle is characterized by big crunches and big bangs, the one complete cycle will see a crunch form in an arena, the crunch will burst and release its energy, the energy will inflate, matter will form, matter will have gravity, inflation will continue and gravity will continue until the matter leaves the arena.

As all of that happens the pressure in the arena has what you could call a life cycle. When the matter is all accumulated in the big crunch, the pressure in the arena is at its lowest and the matter to energy ratio is at the high matter mark.

When the crunch bursts (similar to a big bang in terms of energy release) the crunch has been converted to energy from within and the energy bursts free and expands into the low pressure space.

As expansion progresses matter forms. The formation of matter lowers the pressure of the expanding energy ball for obvious reasons, i.e. it takes a lot of energy to form matter.

As the expansion of the energy ball continues we get inflation, i.e. the matter expands along with the inflation. The expansion continues, and gravity begins to act against the movement of the matter that now exists inside the expanding energy ball. There are two forces at work, inflation and gravity.

Gravity wins the battle in close distances and loses the battle in large distances. Inflation and momentum will carry the matter right out of the arena.

And as the matter leaves, the arena has played out and is over and done with. New arenas will form nearby. The matter that is from the arena that is over and done with will travel out into the greater universe in all directions and will be attracted into many other arenas that are forming.

Is there anything in that scenario that you can support?

[ngeo]

Sorry Bogie I don't get it. If an "arena" like our universe goes through cycles, big bang-big crunch, yet all the matter expands out of it, where does the big crunch come from in our universe?

[Bogie]

Sorry Bogie I don't get it. If an "arena" like our universe goes through cycles, big bang-big crunch, yet all the matter expands out of it, where does the big crunch come from in our universe?

An arena begins anywhere in the greater universe when the remnants of surrounding big bursts that have expanded out into the greater universe become attracted by gravity and form their own big crunch.

Arenas are temporary and only one crunch burst occurs in an arena. After the expansion of the matter out of the arena, that arena no longer exists.

The matter to energy to matter cycle requires an arena sized space and requires the right amount of matter/energy to exists in the arena sized space. This entity will collapse into a big crunch, burst into a big burst, and expand out of the arena. The result is that energy is recycled naturally all the time, here and there across the ISU.

This is how entropy is defeated.

Part of the confusion in my explanation occurs because I refer to the "matter to energy to matter cycle". Naturally the use of the word "cycle" implies a repetitive cycle. There is only one cycle per arena. New arenas form from the debris of many others.

[Bogie]

... But in all of those cases the thermal background is an exceptional accident, with "thermal" being a special case of "background", which has to be contrived. So a thermal background favors big bang cosmology because "thermal" is the rule, rather then the exception, only in big bang cosmology.

This seems to be the case, i.e. a hot big bang would leave a thermal signature, and so the observed CMBR would fit nicely.

... Arthur Eddington addressed this issue back in 1926: The Internal Constitution of the Stars, chapter 13, Diffuse Matter in Space, where the first section title is The Temperature of Space. Eddington properly points out that the energy density of the stars would have an effective temperature of about 3.18 Kelvins, from the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, but would not have a Planck Law spectrum, as required for any true "thermal" source.

In current mainstream (big bang) cosmology, it is the cosmic infrared background which represents the light from the first generation of stars.

Again this is the case. CIB sounds exactly like what Coldcreation was relying on the explain the CMBR. Your links and especially the link to CIB is good enough to put the argument in the OP (that heat from hydrogen stars over 100 billion years has caused the CMBR) to rest as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm basically a dunce as I have admitted before, and my bottom up approach to cosmology and my disclaimer is here.

I want to state my idea here and it is in line with the disclaimer.

A little background about my idea will help.

"Our universe", the expanding ball that contains galaxies observed to be expanding, has an expanding energy density, and also has matter that exists within that energy density.

The expansion of the energy density ball carries the galaxies with it and separates them proportionally as they expand (energy density equalization).

The gravity resists the outward movement of the galaxies to a lesser degree than the expansion separates them from each other. Thus we have accelerating expansion.

The matter that exists within the expanding energy density did not exist as matter when the expansion began. The matter came from the energy density of space as the pressure of the expanding ball was reduced by the expansion.

Matter could not form when the energy density was extremely high.

Abundant matter formation occurred when the density was sufficiently reduced.

The energy density is composed of pulsing energy packets that form matter when the density allows the packets to fully expand and contract. Each packet must contain a quantum of energy when it fully contacts in order to form matter.

Matter in the form of pulsing elementary energy particles (EEPs) forms abundantly across the entire ball of expanding energy density, and so every where inside the ball experiences abundant matter formation almost simultaneously as the pressure across the ball's entire volume reaches the proper density.

These particles attract each other because they are surrounded by very low energy density relative to the energy density of the expanding ball. They are surrounded by low energy density because the energy that they are composed of came from the energy density of space, and it takes a relatively large amount of space to provide the energy to make a very tiny EEP. As the particle forms, the space around it gave up its energy to the particle and so a large space formerly occupied by the quantum of energy, not becomes a tiny quantum particle that occupies a much smaller space.

Combined particles form from the EEPs and very stable protons form almost immediately across the entire volume of the ball. These protons are each surrounded by their own low energy density.

There is a phenomenon related to energy density that explains why the energy density of the entire ball reaches the abundant matter formation period at the same time. It is the natural characteristic of energy density to equalize its own pressure as it expands so that the pressure is the same across the entire expanse. I think it does this much a gas equalizes its pressure across the entire container as the container expands.

This is the same characteristic that causes the proton to be swarmed by the energy that exists surrounding them. The proton has a low density surrounding it and the higher density quickly moves toward the proton to equalize the pressure.

The proton however absorbs this rush of energy and forms an electron and so while the electron is forming around the stable proton, the energy continues to rush toward the proton.

Once the hydrogen atom has formed, the flow of energy continues to rush toward the atom and so the electron absorbs the energy until the proton can no longer support any more energy.

At that point a photon is emitted (energy is sloughed off) from the electron. The emission of the photon allows the electron to absorb more energy that is attracted by the proton and it does so until it emits another photon. This begins a process of photon emission.

These protons were emitted across the entire expanse of the expanding ball long before the first hydrogen stars were formed.

The CMBR is these early photons emitted by the early hydrogen atoms that formed evenly across the "our" entire expanding universe almost simultaneously .

As I state in my disclaimer, I don't have a way to test these ideas and they are not supposed to be science as such. They are only my ideas that seem to explain what we observe in a simple fashion.

[Nereid]

Bogie, unless I am mistaken, you have presented your ATM idea in a thread other than the one specifically created to cover it (your ATM idea, that is).

If so, this is explicitly a violation of BAUT rules; if not, then please explain (via a PM to a moderator).

[Bogie]

Bogie, unless I am mistaken, you have presented your ATM idea in a thread other than the one specifically created to cover it (your ATM idea, that is).

If so, this is explicitly a violation of BAUT rules; if not, then please explain (via a PM to a moderator).

I thought we were talking about the atlernate ideas of the origin of CMBR.

I posted here for clarification of that.

I responded to a post that pointed out errors in the OP.

I offered ideas about the subject that I thought this thread was about.

The CMBR idea that I posted is in line with this thread.

I suggested using this tread for a discussion of CMBR.

How is this wrong?

I notice sometimes when I post ideas related to a thread other than my own you point out a violation may have taken place. As far as I'm concerned my posts have always been within the rules and if they weren't I offer to delete them.

[Bogie]

I'm very unclear what you are describing when you use the term "space" in terms of "expanding faster than light". If by "space", you are defining some sort of mental concept about a "pure vacuum" devoid of all mass has no speed limit, sure, I'll buy that idea, but I don't see how that idea applies here.

As far as I know, there was never a "time" when "spacetime" (space with particles of mass) did not exist. I say this because the BB theory itself talks about gravitational fields being present throughout the process. "Space" in the sense of a "pure vacuum" may never have existed for all I know. We however are describing the "expansion" of particles with mass, not what can and cannot happen in a "pure vacuum". I really don't understand what you mean when you say "space" is "expanding".

What exactly is expanding if not the mass particles within the tensor field of spacetime?

The OP questioned how mass could travel faster than the speed of light. You answered your own question in the OP; matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

If the existing universe, particle horizon and all is to be considered causally connected to the big bang, something had to travel at superluminal speeds.

We know that matter cannot do that.

Though General Relativity depends on spacetime having a beginning, it is possible that the universe could have always existed and that the big bang was a burst of energy from prior conditions. The burst of energy was not matter, plasma or “soup”, but energy in a form not yet containing matter but capable of forming matter.

If there were prior conditions like I consider possible that lead to the big bang or a big burst of energy, then space already existed.

In that case, the big burst of energy became a ball of energy emerging into existing space. Energy emerging into space like that would have energy density. It would be natural for high pressure emerging energy to begin to expand in pre-existing space.

My reference to expanding space should have been made more clearly. I was talking about energy expanding in space; energy density expanding and as it expands the pressure is declining. As it declines it reaches the pressure where matter can form.

I see no reason why energy in space cannot expand faster than the speed of light, but if matter did not exist yet, even the energy I am suggesting that emerged from the big burst didn’t have to travel faster than light.

Even if it traveled at a turtles pace, time (at least as we use it to measure the age of the universe) did not start until matter formed. If the energy had expanded in space by 10^50 before matter formed then time did not start until the energy that occupies our universe was inflated sufficiently to make the causal connection without the need for any matter to travel faster than the speed of light, IMHO.

[ManInTheMirror]

The OP questioned how mass could travel faster than the speed of light. You answered your own question in the OP; matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

If the existing universe, particle horizon and all is to be considered causally connected to the big bang, something had to travel at superluminal speeds.

We know that matter cannot do that.

Though General Relativity depends on spacetime having a beginning, it is possible that the universe could have always existed and that the big bang was a burst of energy from prior conditions. The burst of energy was not matter, plasma or “soup”, but energy in a form not yet containing matter but capable of forming matter.

If there were prior conditions like I consider possible that lead to the big bang or a big burst of energy, then space already existed.

In that case, the big burst of energy became a ball of energy emerging into existing space. Energy emerging into space like that would have energy density. It would be natural for high pressure emerging energy to begin to expand in pre-existing space.

My reference to expanding space should have been made more clearly. I was talking about energy expanding in space; energy density expanding and as it expands the pressure is declining. As it declines it reaches the pressure where matter can form.

I see no reason why energy in space cannot expand faster than the speed of light, but if matter did not exist yet, even the energy I am suggesting that emerged from the big burst didn’t have to travel faster than light.

Even if it traveled at a turtles pace, time (at least as we use it to measure the age of the universe) did not start until matter formed. If the energy had expanded in space by 10^50 before matter formed then time did not start until the energy that occupies our universe was inflated sufficiently to make the causal connection without the need for any matter to travel faster than the speed of light, IMHO.

I already like your explanation better.

[Nereid]

The OP questioned how mass could travel faster than the speed of light. You answered your own question in the OP; matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

If the existing universe, particle horizon and all is to be considered causally connected to the big bang, something had to travel at superluminal speeds.

We know that matter cannot do that.

Though General Relativity depends on spacetime having a beginning, it is possible that the universe could have always existed and that the big bang was a burst of energy from prior conditions. The burst of energy was not matter, plasma or “soup”, but energy in a form not yet containing matter but capable of forming matter.

Which is a nice word salad, but as science it is about as close to nonsense as one can get ... if the universe obeys GR, then "a burst of energy from prior conditions" is gibberish (a GR universe contains all the mass-energy and nothing but the mass-energy of the universe). OTOH, if the universe doesn't obey GR, then where's the revolutionary theory (of gravity, at least) that overthrows it? Without such a successor theory, what's to distinguish 'energy' (as used above) from 'invisible elves' or MITM's magic wand?

If there were prior conditions like I consider possible that lead to the big bang or a big burst of energy, then space already existed.

So you are claiming to have found a theory which unifies QM and GR?

In that case, the big burst of energy became a ball of energy emerging into existing space. Energy emerging into space like that would have energy density. It would be natural for high pressure emerging energy to begin to expand in pre-existing space.

My reference to expanding space should have been made more clearly. I was talking about energy expanding in space; energy density expanding and as it expands the pressure is declining. As it declines it reaches the pressure where matter can form.

I see no reason why energy in space cannot expand faster than the speed of light, but if matter did not exist yet, even the energy I am suggesting that emerged from the big burst didn’t have to travel faster than light.

Even if it traveled at a turtles pace, time (at least as we use it to measure the age of the universe) did not start until matter formed. If the energy had expanded in space by 10^50 before matter formed then time did not start until the energy that occupies our universe was inflated sufficiently to make the causal connection without the need for any matter to travel faster than the speed of light, IMHO.

So, have you defined the key terms of this ATM idea in a consistent fashion? Like 'energy', 'pressure', 'space', 'speed', 'density', 'time', 'ball', ...

And you have shown that all these key terms are consistent with words that are spelled the same in theories such as GR?

[gravitino]

Which is a nice word salad, but as science it is about as close to nonsense as one can get ... if the universe obeys GR, then "a burst of energy from prior conditions" is gibberish (a GR universe contains all the mass-energy and nothing but the mass-energy of the universe).

So, according to BB, all started with a single point that encapsulates ALL necessary energy to create all matter found in these milions of bilions of galaxies !!!
Hard to accept, unless space-t expansion is creating matter or matter is self-creating, or ... perhaps matter is contra intuitive !!!

[Coldcreation]

This is a big ATM issue. The hot Big Bang is still advocated by must blue shirts AFAIK. Me being a red shirt I have no trouble with a cold "big burst" .

But I was wondering why you use the time span of approximately 100 billion years, or more. It would appear that you are not only questioning the cause of the CMBR, but that you question the age of "our" expanding universe too.

Do you have any argument for why you say "our" universe is 100 billion years old instead of 13.7 billion?

Where did cold big burst come from? (FYI, there is a theory called cold big bang). Back to CMB.

The time span of 100 Gyrs was used by QSSC, Hoyle et al. In that theory the universe is infinite in spatiotemporal range. For QSSC there is no question of the age of the universe. It has no birthday.

CC aka The Partypooper