The Elemental Energy Wave/Particle; definitely Against the Mainstream

[RussT]

Our “singularity” is just one of those bangs that is in the stages of expansion where matter formation is winding down and expansion is accelerating.

"Our Singularity", the Big Bang Naked Singularity, has been the subject of MUCH controversy and thoroughly examined by all the greatest GR minds, many of whom I mentioned above.

The only problem is, that they have all steadfastly held to a one way study!

("a confusion of infinites", if you will).

Nereid was correct when she made this statement. There is a confusion.

I intend to show, either here (If anyone is willing to have an honest non-accusational conversation about it) or elsewhere, it really doesn't matter to me, that the Big Bang Naked Singularity is what has CAUSED the confusion!

Their definition of the BB naked singularity is why they cannot find the progenitors of the MBH's!

Also, their 'assumption' of what the progenitor of a GRB is, has been constrained to exactly what they *Think* it is.

They don't know what the progenitors of MBH's are and they don't know what the progenitors of GRB's are.....hummmmmmmmmmm!

[Bogie]

"Our Singularity", the Big Bang Naked Singularity, has been the subject of MUCH controversy and thoroughly examined by all the greatest GR minds, many of whom I mentioned above.

The only problem is, that they have all steadfastly held to a one way study!

("a confusion of infinites", if you will).

Nereid was correct when she made this statement. There is a confusion.

I intend to show, either here (If anyone is willing to have an honest non-accusational conversation about it) or elsewhere, it really doesn't matter to me, that the Big Bang Naked Singularity is what has CAUSED the confusion!

Their definition of the BB naked singularity is why they cannot find the progenitors of the MBH's!

Also, their 'assumption' of what the progenitor of a GRB is, has been constrained to exactly what they *Think* it is.

They don't know what the progenitors of MBH's are and they don't know what the progenitors of GRB's are.....hummmmmmmmmmm!

That's fine but what is your explanation for the apparent expansion? Are you ignoring it or is that why you call it an "open system".

[RussT]

That's fine but what is your explanation for the apparent expansion? Are you ignoring it or is that why you call it an "open system".

Where do we 'see' this expansion of 'space'???

The Voids...all of them... are expanding, which is expanding the galaxy clusters apart...so the 'space' between the clusters is growing...but the density of 'space' is staying the same (not diluting)

Let's start from here. (And try not to think parallel universes) think fractal, which means above and below

Pick any one Void (Very large vast areas between galaxy clusters), in 'our' universe that you choose, it doesn't matter which one, because I don't know that we will ever be able to figure out which was the first one here!
(But, there should be a first one here, because I can't see how 'our' universe could have been here forever! The one arguement that convinces me of that, is that we should have found evidence on this planet, of rocks, or something that is wayyyy older than can be accounted for!)

Now, assume that this is the first Einsten-Rosen Bridge into 'our' Universe.

This means that the Massive Black Hole in the universe level *Above Ours* was created and as that galaxies baryonic matter goes through it, as the matter goes through that ringed singularity, it 'makes' ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] (which is gravity with *NO ENERGY*, that's what *inert* means), 'space'...so 'space' is leaking into that void *Continually* and in vast amount.

So, that is one Voids leaking of 'space' into our universe. Now just continue with more voids (Einstein-Rosen Bridges) leaking 'space', gravity, into 'our' universe.

Add More!

Now we have multiple voids where 'space' is 'leaking' to our universe.

So no, I am definitely not ignoring it. The expansion that is seen is that the Voids between the galaxy "Clusters" appears to be growing. But some of those Voids are much bigger than others. So they (Mainstream) are putting a Hubble Flow to an over all expansion model that comes from shrinking the universe down (GR lookback/time reversal), and then saying at 10^-35 that Inflation expands it to the grapefruite size and then Hubble expansion does the rest until about 6 billion years ago, when DE(Anti-gravity, huh?) kicks in and accelerates the expansion.

So, when I suggested that you pick a Void, any Void, because we would have no idea yet, which one was here first, and that is where gravity, 'space' started 'leaking' to us first. Now add more voids where space is leaking to us etc, etc.

So, since those Voids are different sizes, ~10 to 25 Mpc, the voids are expanding at different rates, the universe never started at a point or everywhere at once, and the outward expansion would not be as currently depicted. Our 13.7 billion light year sphere was never shrunk down to a grapefruit size.

So, the Open part is just what Lisa Randall showed in her calculations. That gravity is leaking to us! The problem is, that the Big Bang Closed universe won't allow it to leak to us at T=0 (well, that is not even a leak, is it, it all at once) and it doesn't allow it to come through the singularity in the MBH's!!!

So the only thing that she and String/"M" theory is left with, IS OTHER DIMENSIONS*! That's why String/"M" theoy hasn't been shown to work!

The Fractal universe levels above and below is soooo much more elegant, especially considering that Einstein already went there (Einstein-Rosen Bridges) I believe he would have easily figured this out had he known of MBH's and String/"M" Theory!

*The other dimensions refered to here does not say anything about the micro dimensions that string theory talks about when depecting the strings themselves.

[Bogie]

So no, I am definitely not ignoring it. The expansion that is seen is that the Voids between the galaxy "Clusters" appears to be growing. But some of those Voids are much bigger than others.

So you see the density of space staying the same, therefore the expansion does not stretch space, space leaks in from the MBH on the level above us? And you use the term fractal to mean that the MBH above us has volume in newtonian space, but leaks space to another place that is not part of the 3-D space of the parent MBH above us, i.e. a new place with its own 3-D space separate from the parent MBH?

So they (Mainstream) are putting a Hubble Flow to an over all expansion model that comes from shrinking the universe down (GR lookback/time reversal), and then saying at 10^-35 that Inflation expands it to the grapefruite size and then Hubble expansion does the rest until about 6 billion years ago, when DE(Anti-gravity, huh?) kicks in and accelerates the expansion.

So, when I suggested that you pick a Void, any Void, because we would have no idea yet, which one was here first, and that is where gravity, 'space' started 'leaking' to us first. Now add more voids where space is leaking to us etc, etc.

So, since those Voids are different sizes, ~10 to 25 Mpc, the voids are expanding at different rates, the universe never started at a point or everywhere at once, and the outward expansion would not be as currently depicted. Our 13.7 billion light year sphere was never shrunk down to a grapefruit size.

So the different viods are leaking to us from different MBHs above us?

So, the Open part is just what Lisa Randall showed in her calculations. That gravity is leaking to us! The problem is, that the Big Bang Closed universe won't allow it to leak to us at T=0 (well, that is not even a leak, is it, it all at once) and it doesn't allow it to come through the singularity in the MBH's!!!

I see that. But then we don't think the Time zero, volume zero ever exited. I see crunches that burst here and there now and then in an infinite 3-D universe, you see MBHs that leak into new 3-D universes?

So the only thing that she and String/"M" theory is left with, IS OTHER DIMENSIONS*! That's why String/"M" theoy hasn't been shown to work!

The Fractal universe levels above and below is soooo much more elegant, especially considering that Einstein already went there (Einstein-Rosen Bridges) I believe he would have easily figured this out had he known of MBH's and String/"M" Theory!

*The other dimensions refered to here does not say anything about the micro dimensions that string theory talks about when depecting the strings themselves.

I know but there are some troublesome aspects. Fractal dimensions in 3-D for each MBH that causes a fractral "leak" for example.

[RussT]

So you see the density of space staying the same, therefore the expansion does not stretch space, space leaks in from the MBH on the level above us?

Yes, precisely...space is not stretching...more physical PMIDM 'space' is being added!

And you use the term fractal to mean that the MBH above us

I am using the term fractal to absolutely differentiate that from Parallel universes (which String/"M" theory has been *Forced* into). Parallel basically means existing in the 'same' space but somehow seperate from it. The 6 'micro' dimensions that 'string makeup' constitute is prefectly valid, but to try a get the PMIDM (strings) into our 3+1 real dimension via a parallel dimension does not work in reality, IMHO. (Obviously, since forced to do so, by adhering to a BB closed System, there can be and has been much mathematical exploration of this concept, but again, IMHO, is the very reason that String/"M" Theory has not been able to be shown to work!)

MBH's are actually *Burrowing* through space/time just as Einstein-Rosen Bridges have been postulated to do, BUT String/"M" Theory are NOT allowed to go there, IF they are going to adher to Mainstream Laws, because NOTHING can go through MBH's according to ALL the Big Wigs!!!

So the different viods are leaking to us from different MBHs above us?

Yes, precisely, Through the Einstein-Rosen Bridges. Those MBH's in the universe level above ours, are *Burrowing*, tunneling to us, and releasing more space on a continual basis ino each of our Voids.

I see that. But then we don't think the Time zero, volume zero ever existed.

As I said, Pick a Void, any Void, there had to be one that was the first to start leaking space into our realm. How you are going to figure out which one was first, is beyond my paygrade, as Publius loves to say!

you see MBHs that leak into new 3-D universes?

Just to clarify. I see each of our Voids (In our universe) recieving additonal 'space' on a continual basis, from the MBH's in the universe level above ours. I see Each of OUR MBH's sending 'space' to each of the voids in the universe level Below ours.

Fractal dimensions in 3-D for each MBH that causes a fractral "leak" for example.

It's not really a problem at all. The universe above ours has all it's space and voids, and galaxies are being created there the same as here.

[Bogie]

Yes, precisely...space is not stretching...more physical PMIDM 'space' is being added!

I am using the term fractal to absolutely differentiate that from Parallel universes (which String/"M" theory has been *Forced* into). Parallel basically means existing in the 'same' space but somehow seperate from it. The 6 'micro' dimensions that 'string makeup' constitute is prefectly valid, but to try a get the PMIDM (strings) into our 3+1 real dimension via a parallel dimension does not work in reality, IMHO. (Obviously, since forced to do so, by adhering to a BB closed System, there can be and has been much mathematical exploration of this concept, but again, IMHO, is the very reason that String/"M" Theory has not been able to be shown to work!)

MBH's are actually *Burrowing* through space/time just as Einstein-Rosen Bridges have been postulated to do, BUT String/"M" Theory are NOT allowed to go there, IF they are going to adher to Mainstream Laws, because NOTHING can go through MBH's according to ALL the Big Wigs!!!

Yes, precisely, Through the Einstein-Rosen Bridges. Those MBH's in the universe level above ours, are *Burrowing*, tunneling to us, and releasing more space on a continual basis ino each of our Voids.

As I said, Pick a Void, any Void, there had to be one that was the first to start leaking space into our realm. How you are going to figure out which one was first, is beyond my paygrade, as Publius loves to say!

Just to clarify. I see each of our Voids (In our universe) recieving additonal 'space' on a continual basis, from the MBH's in the universe level above ours. I see Each of OUR MBH's sending 'space' to each of the voids in the universe level Below ours.

It's not really a problem at all. The universe above ours has all it's space and voids, and galaxies are being created there the same as here.

I'm not surprised. Black holes, white holes, worm holes in between makes your theory work. Are we conserving energy? Are we conserving mass? Are we conserving momentum? Are you saying that the MBH above us eventually leaks until it is empty? And if so, I presume it evaporates from the universe above?

This view is much more complicted than just having all the black holes eventually find their way into some big crunch over a few trillion years, maybe trillions of light years distant. A big crunch would contain orders of magnitude more matter/energy than is ever accumulated in any MBH if I understand your theory.

My idea is that these big crunches have a core that is extremely compressed, beyond tens of billions of degrees of heat surrounding it; all matter, all particles are returned to their energy common denominator, and the energy finally bursts through the compression and expandes as extremely high energy density. It expands from the push of the burst and the pull of the negative pressure of the extremely low energy density surrounding the crunch, and Bingo, we have our local expanding big bang universe.

[RussT]

I'm not surprised. Black holes, white holes, worm holes in between makes your theory work.

Yes, how about that.
But, they are not called Einstein-Rosen Bridges for noth'in! (and why I definitely switched from the Sci-Fied to death 'worm hole'!!!) (And btw, the white holes is actually where the PMIDM's are coming into "OUR" Voids)

Are we conserving energy? Are we conserving mass? Are we conserving momentum?

For some reason, it has been considered, that if the universe wasn't conserving energy and mass, that it would somehow come apart at the seams, totally unravel, and that the Universe would be in UTTER CHAOS!
Nonesense. As I told Nereid in my OPEN UNIVERSE, UNIFYING GR AND QFT thread, as far as I can see, the only place where energy or mass is lost, is once it crosses th event horizon of a black hole, so all the conservation laws should hold true, accept for there. However, I am definitely not qualified to make this determinaton!!!

Are you saying that the MBH above us eventually leaks until it is empty? And if so, I presume it evaporates from the universe above?

Well, since I don't think that each MBH is eternal, there has to be some process whereby they eventually, after they stop accreting material, cease to exist. But to be honest, since they have never even been considered as being OPEN, Hawking Radiation and everything else is going to have to be reworked. It has always been 'assumed' that they became MASSIVE by growing or merging, and once again, it is just an assumption, and one based on the fact that they have never really known how Massive Black Holes have been formed at all! The GRB duration times from 3 seconds (For the smallest dwarf galaxy) to 500 seconds (For the largest galaxies) determines the size of the MBH and the sizes of the galaxies (Burst durations longer 500 seconds are AGN related).

I'm not surprised. Black holes, white holes, worm holes in between makes your theory work.

Let me address this one again.

Bogie, I am not sure you (or anyone) has fully appreciated the importance of one of my explanations, that I have made several times.

[I'm not surprised. Black holes, white holes, worm holes in between makes your theory work]

I DID NOT START WITH THIS! which is why I keep harping on the fact that we cannot even come close to understanding the Universe as a whole, SO trying to start from an initial conidition, which all of the theories have, is CrAzY. Which is why the shrink the universe down to a point and then expand it back up BB+I Hubble Flow, an expanding or contracting FLWR universe is actually really Naive. In addition to being an illegal lookback/time reversal in GR because the PROGENITOR, the BB naked singularity is the OPPOSITE of a Black Hole. There is NO OPPOSITE of a Black Hole, there is one end or the other.

So, the point is, I did not create the initial conditions for the universe, the EVIDENCE led me there!


And BTW, I just ran across this...
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-re.../pr-10-96.html
Scroll down.

[Bogie]

Yes, how about that.
But, they are not called Einstein-Rosen Bridges for noth'in! (and why I definitely switched from the Sci-Fied to death 'worm hole'!!!) (And btw, the white holes is actually where the PMIDM's are coming into "OUR" Voids)



For some reason, it has been considered, that if the universe wasn't conserving energy and mass, that it would somehow come apart at the seams, totally unravel, and that the Universe would be in UTTER CHAOS!
Nonesense. As I told Nereid in my OPEN UNIVERSE, UNIFYING GR AND QFT thread, as far as I can see, the only place where energy or mass is lost, is once it crosses th event horizon of a black hole, so all the conservation laws should hold true, accept for there. However, I am definitely not qualified to make this determinaton!!!



Well, since I don't think that each MBH is eternal, there has to be some process whereby they eventually, after they stop accreting material, cease to exist. But to be honest, since they have never even been considered as being OPEN, Hawking Radiation and everything else is going to have to be reworked. It has always been 'assumed' that they became MASSIVE by growing or merging, and once again, it is just an assumption, and one based on the fact that they have never really known how Massive Black Holes have been formed at all! The GRB duration times from 3 seconds (For the smallest dwarf galaxy) to 500 seconds (For the largest galaxies) determines the size of the MBH and the sizes of the galaxies (Burst durations longer 500 seconds are AGN related).



Let me address this one again.

Bogie, I am not sure you (or anyone) has fully appreciated the importance of one of my explanations, that I have made several times.

[I'm not surprised. Black holes, white holes, worm holes in between makes your theory work]

I DID NOT START WITH THIS! which is why I keep harping on the fact that we cannot even come close to understanding the Universe as a whole, SO trying to start from an initial conidition, which all of the theories have, is CrAzY. Which is why the shrink the universe down to a point and then expand it back up BB+I Hubble Flow, an expanding or contracting FLWR universe is actually really Naive. In addition to being an illegal lookback/time reversal in GR because the PROGENITOR, the BB naked singularity is the OPPOSITE of a Black Hole. There is NO OPPOSITE of a Black Hole, there is one end or the other.

So, the point is, I did not create the initial conditions for the universe, the EVIDENCE led me there!


And BTW, I just ran across this...
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-re.../pr-10-96.html
Scroll down.

Interesting but yours is not a simple concept and the physics are not clear.

Do you feel you have a clear idea of the physics that enable your theory to accomplish all that you are expecting of it?

[RussT]

Interesting but yours is not a simple concept and the physics are not clear.

[Interesting but yours is not a simple concept]

I'm not sure who originally said the line about it should be simple enough for your bartender to understand, but I believe that it was Stephen Hawking (and maybe others) who said that the theory of how the Universe works should be simple enough for children to be able to talk about easily.

And my explanations to you have been pretty involved (and obviously the maths and the physics proper will be vastly extensive), but if this is a fairly correct version, 5, 10, 50, 100, 400 years from now (should we be fortunate, as a species, to survive that much longer, in our current and growing technological state), Kids will be telling Kids...

Black Holes Make the Darkness ("Space") and Huge Gamma Ray Bursts make the Light (Galaxies and stars).

Do you feel you have a clear idea of the physics that enable your theory to accomplish all that you are expecting of it?

Yes. This is basically like the BB theory and is using the basic same concepts and definitions, its just that time and order of the events are different.

It just didn't happen all at once, which is why we see galaxies from the Dark Matter galaxies to the Blue Compact Disc, to the Low Surface Bright to the High Surface Bright, to the Ellipticals, all at different stratas throughout the entire universe, just as they see the GRB's across the entire sky.

Now, are there going to be NEW things learned when this model is fully investigated? You Betcha, thats the Idea, isn't it?

Also, understanding how 'space' gets here in this way, since we can see how the Gamma Radiation is how the energy is getting here to make the galaxies, allows us to see how some different relationships exist, and to see how "parts" of other theories are correct in certain aspects.

For example, This is how I can see that the Reginald Cahill papers, showing that there is a Gravity Background Field is correct, but only on that part!!!
He also says that he found that by finding what publius has dubbed "Borehole Gravity", which is the Fine Structure Constant.
I am not convinced though, that this is actually the Planck Mass Inert DM, but the way he uses it, defintely mimics the exact same thing when he applies it to 'all of space', and so he is showing that it takes the place of the DM in determining the rotation curces in the spiral galaxies.

But, because he doesn't understand numerous things, he has got much of the rest wrong, and because he doesn't know where this 'space' is coming from, how it is made, and "ESPECIALLY" how fast it is traveling, he *Thinks* he is showing that Einstein was wrong, and that there is a preferred frame, and that the MM experiment showed it, etc.

So, what does my little model show about this?
That because the MBH's are making 'space', there is a BGF, but what he doesn't know is that it is traveling at "C", and therfore preserves Einsteins SR perfectly!

Also, it is easy to see that we can also see that QSSC was on the right track with Matter getting here a little at a time, but doesn't necessarily make anything else right about their theory.

[Bogie]

[Interesting but yours is not a simple concept]

I'm not sure who originally said the line about it should be simple enough for your bartender to understand, but I believe that it was Stephen Hawking (and maybe others) who said that the theory of how the Universe works should be simple enough for children to be able to talk about easily.

And my explanations to you have been pretty involved (and obviously the maths and the physics proper will be vastly extensive), but if this is a fairly correct version, 5, 10, 50, 100, 400 years from now (should we be fortunate, as a species, to survive that much longer, in our current and growing technological state), Kids will be telling Kids...

Black Holes Make the Darkness ("Space") and Huge Gamma Ray Bursts make the Light (Galaxies and stars).



Yes. This is basically like the BB theory and is using the basic same concepts and definitions, its just that time and order of the events are different.

It just didn't happen all at once, which is why we see galaxies from the Dark Matter galaxies to the Blue Compact Disc, to the Low Surface Bright to the High Surface Bright, to the Ellipticals, all at different stratas throughout the entire universe, just as they see the GRB's across the entire sky.

Now, are there going to be NEW things learned when this model is fully investigated? You Betcha, thats the Idea, isn't it?

Also, understanding how 'space' gets here in this way, since we can see how the Gamma Radiation is how the energy is getting here to make the galaxies, allows us to see how some different relationships exist, and to see how "parts" of other theories are correct in certain aspects.

As you know, I don't think matter comes from gamma radiation. Gamma radiation requires matter in the first place. Which leads to the next question about the Einstein-Rosen Bridges. You must be saying that it is Gamma radiation coming through the ERBs from MBHs? Gamma rays being high eV photons? And these photons pass from the inside of a MBH, through an ERB, into our universe where they cause a void, and in that void they cause matter to form? And you theorize this process because you can't abide the big bang singularity and the "closed" universe?

For example, This is how I can see that the Reginald Cahill papers, showing that there is a Gravity Background Field is correct, but only on that part!!!
He also says that he found that by finding what publius has dubbed "Borehole Gravity", which is the Fine Structure Constant.
I am not convinced though, that this is actually the Planck Mass Inert DM, but the way he uses it, defintely mimics the exact same thing when he applies it to 'all of space', and so he is showing that it takes the place of the DM in determining the rotation curces in the spiral galaxies.

But, because he doesn't understand numerous things, he has got much of the rest wrong, and because he doesn't know where this 'space' is coming from, how it is made, and "ESPECIALLY" how fast it is traveling, he *Thinks* he is showing that Einstein was wrong, and that there is a preferred frame, and that the MM experiment showed it, etc.

So, what does my little model show about this?
That because the MBH's are making 'space', there is a BGF, but what he doesn't know is that it is traveling at "C", and therfore preserves Einsteins SR perfectly!

Also, it is easy to see that we can also see that QSSC was on the right track with Matter getting here a little at a time, but doesn't necessarily make anything else right about their theory.

When your theory says matter gets here a little at a time you mean Gamma radiation is forming matter? Walk me through this.

[RussT]

As you know, I don't think matter comes from gamma radiation.

Actually, NO I didn't! Which obviously means that I have been reading right past certain explanations!

Which really makes me wonder why you are taling about Big Bangs (singualrity or not) or crunches!!!

I definitely thought because you were talking of bangs and crunches, that you at least thought the the BB Nucleosythesis for Hydrogen and Helium was correct, especially since I explained how the GRB's were causing the same basic process, just one galaxy at a time!

It would appear that you have now dipped all the way down to Coldcreation
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...postcount=2452
Here is a link to one of his posts so you can click on his name and find his stuff.

Also, if you don't believe that BB Nucleoythesis is correct for how the HI and He get here, are you saying that you are going with ZPE???

Gamma radiation requires matter in the first place.

If you are talking about the Jets in AGN producing pair production gamma rays that create some HI/He, yes that is one way that creates 'some', but defintely not enough for all the galaxies that are seen (Let alone the billions to trillions that cannot be seen).

You must be saying that it is Gamma radiation coming through the ERBs from MBHs?

Bogie, I really didn't think we were this far off in at least understanding each others concepts! Yes, me too in the first part of this post!

But, NO, NO, NO. What have I said about what happens to all the baryonic matter that goes into a MBH??? It get 'stripped' of ALL is baryonic qualities, it gets reduced back down to the electrons and protons, and then gets SUPER CRUSHED down to Planck Mass "INERT" Dark Matter. So no, no gamma photons ever make it through!

And these photons pass from the inside of a MBH, through an ERB, into our universe where they cause a void, and in that void they cause matter to form?

NO not photons, PMIDM comes through the ERB's and into OUR Voids and MAKE 'SPACE'. GRB's are caused by space gravity coming together (Naked Singularity) Membranes touching, and yes that does cause Nucleosynthesis of HI/He. That Part (the basics of Nucleosynthesis) and stellar black holes and MBH's are things that mainstream has right!

When your theory says matter gets here a little at a time you mean Gamma radiation is forming matter? Walk me through this.

Have you read about the first 3 minutes of the BB Nucleosynthesis?

My galaxy being caused by GRB's is basically the same processes including the Dark Era, and that is where the "First Dark Matter Galaxy Found" comes in. It is precisely what would be seen first, after the afterglow of a GRB fades to darkness!

[Bogie]

Actually, NO I didn't! Which obviously means that I have been reading right past certain explanations!

Which really makes me wonder why you are taling about Big Bangs (singularity or not) or crunches!!!

I definitely thought because you were talking of bangs and crunches, that you at least thought the the BB Nucleosythesis for Hydrogen and Helium was correct, especially since I explained how the GRB's were causing the same basic process, just one galaxy at a time!

It would appear that you have now dipped all the way down to Coldcreation
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.ph...postcount=2452
Here is a link to one of his posts so you can click on his name and find his stuff.

Also, if you don't believe that BB Nucleoythesis is correct for how the HI and He get here, are you saying that you are going with ZPE???



If you are talking about the Jets in AGN producing pair production gamma rays that create some HI/He, yes that is one way that creates 'some', but definitely not enough for all the galaxies that are seen (Let alone the billions to trillions that cannot be seen).



Bogie, I really didn't think we were this far off in at least understanding each others concepts! Yes, me too in the first part of this post!

But, NO, NO, NO. What have I said about what happens to all the baryonic matter that goes into a MBH??? It get 'stripped' of ALL is baryonic qualities, it gets reduced back down to the electrons and protons, and then gets SUPER CRUSHED down to Planck Mass "INERT" Dark Matter. So no, no gamma photons ever make it through!



NO not photons, PMIDM comes through the ERB's and into OUR Voids and MAKE 'SPACE'. GRB's are caused by space gravity coming together (Naked Singularity) Membranes touching, and yes that does cause Nucleosynthesis of HI/He. That Part (the basics of Nucleosynthesis) and stellar black holes and MBH's are things that mainstream has right!



Have you read about the first 3 minutes of the BB Nucleosynthesis?

My galaxy being caused by GRB's is basically the same processes including the Dark Era, and that is where the "First Dark Matter Galaxy Found" comes in. It is precisely what would be seen first, after the afterglow of a GRB fades to darkness!

Did you read where, in my idea, I referred to the "bang" as a quiet burst, no matter, no radiation, just a burst of energy from the core of the big crunch.

Not a hot big bang. Not a huge gamma ray burst that one would have to expect from a hot bang.

The EEPs at the core of the big crunch have no photons, there are no protons, there are no electrons because all matter has been "negated" into the constituent energy of which matter is composed; only EEPs in the form of extremely high energy density exist in the core of the crunch.

The EEPs don't even express gravity, i.e. as EEPs build up in the core of the crunch the gravitational field of the crunch diminishes from with in.

Eventually the potential energy of the compressed EEPs overcomes the diminishing gravitational force containing them and they burst out into a ball of extremely high energy density.

That is where I get the idea of energy density in space emerging into an arena. There are many arenas at any given time but each crunch has its own arena the forms as the crunch takes shape.

The high energy density ball from the crunch emerges into the extremely low energy density of the arena surrounding the crunch which is almost a void, i.e. the amount of energy in the arena outside the crunch is extremely small but it is widely disbursed because no matter how little energy there is it equalizes its density across contiguous space.

This energy ball form the crunch is the 10^-43 plasma before the plasma contains quantum particles like relativistic particles consisting of quarks, leptons, gauge bosons, and Higgs bosons.

Energy density in space from the big burst in the form of EEPs lead to the plasma soup of particles represented by scalar fields with interaction and symmetry that decoupled and scattered into the first atoms of hydrogen and we know how things probably progressed from there.

What science doesn’t say is what occurred before t=~10^-43, and how the scalar plasma emerged. That is the instant that the universe was converted from energy into the scalar plasma. The scalar plasma had all the constituents of the universe that we observe, only in the most compressed state possible, i.e. at the beginning of the expansion.

My idea addresses that period leading to the beginning of the expansion at t=~10^-43 and says that the plasma came from an energy that started the expansion. My idea picks up on the scalar nature of the plasma, i.e. it contains a tiny version of every single particle that now exists in our expanding visible universe, but my version starts with EEPs, then substantial inflation (for reasons I have mentioned a few times) and then the "soup" of particles form matter after inflation has lowered the energy density of the plasma. The picoseconds differ between my idea and the standard cosmology.

The scalar universe contained in the plasma consisted of a finite number of particles that now exist in expanded scalar form and that make up the constituents of all matter in our observable universe.

I have simply called these tiny scalar particles the elementary energy particles (EEPs) that became the broth of particles that they describe as the plasma. I have described characteristics that they would need in order of escape the plasma, form matter, cause gravity, cause stars and galaxies and black holes, and eventually play a role in the formation of other “expansion events”, i.e. possible big crunches and big bangs elsewhere across the greater universe.

EEPs are at the heart of the formation of the early protons that reach the point of extreme stability and which attract electrons, then form hydrogen, then stars and heavier nuclei.

EEPs are also at the heart of the cause of gravity as I have been suggesting on "The Cause of Gravity" thread. Read the linked post and see my explanation for the accelerating expansion.

[RussT]

Well, Bogie, It looks like we are just going to have to agree to disagree

I guess I have to say this again.

I will also say again, I cannot figure out why you are talking about Bangs and Crunches, because they are straight General Relativity!

[Bogie]

Well, Bogie, It looks like we are just going to have to agree to disagree

I guess I have to say this again.

I will also say again, I cannot figure out why you are talking about Bangs and Crunches, because they are straight General Relativity!

Let’s call them crunch/bursts. The ISU idea is supported by the EEP characteristics and crunch/bursts are caused by EEPs.

The expansion phase of the big crunch/burst corresponds in many ways to the expansion of the Big Bang event because all of the observations of our expanding visible universe are identical in the BBT and in the ISU. Only the explanations differ.

The Big Bang event is replaced by an Infinite Spongy Universe that has always existed, had no beginning, was not caused or created, and that is characterized by Big Crunches and Big Bursts here and there now and then. The EEP enables a simple extension of a Big Bang Event, giving it a backdrop of a greater universe and giving it a “before” and “beyond”.

Energy density is a characteristic of EEPs that varies with expansion and allows different things to happen at various stages of the formation of the crunch and the expansion of the burst.

For example the way the high frequency compressed EEPs “negate” all matter in the crunch and then eat away at the gravity of the crunch from within eventually causing it to burst.

For example the resulting expansion of the burst is the result of both the force of the burst and the negative pressure of the low energy density of the arena surrounding the crunch/burst.

For example Matter formation occurs at a certain point in the expansion based on the characteristics of the EEPs and the energy density of the expanding burst.

For example the process of matter formation from the EEP density after the burst with protons forming from merging EEPs, protons becoming very stable particles that vibrate with a frequency that attracts EEPs to accumulate in rings, and causes electrons to slough off photons.

For example how the nature of the EEP environment surrounding atoms, surrounding all mass, causes a low energy density “warp” around mass and causes gravity.

For example how this EEP flow through mass, i.e. gravity causes hydrogen atoms to form hydrogen stars and how hydrogen stars form all across the huge expanse of the expanding burst during a period of abundant matter formation when a certain energy density is reached due to expansion.

For example how neutrons are made in hydrogen stars as the electron of the hydrogen atom is forced into the proton, changing the vibration, which allows neutrons to bind with protons and which keeps neutrons from attracting electrons.

For example how hydrogen stars result in the formation of “dust” clouds of hydrogen, helium and heavier elements that form galaxies and shape large scale structure.

For example how large scale structure in the vast expansion can be traced back to small variances in the energy density that occurred as the core of extremely high density EEPs emerged and negated the final remaining matter in the outer portion of the crunch and in the accretive material around the crunch.

For example how the slowing and then the acceleration of the expansion from the burst is controlled by the various stages of energy density, matter formation, the natural balance of energy and matter, and the natural tendency of EEP environments to attempt to equalize their pressure.

For example why all the high energy physics is complete before the burst resulting in a cold burst instead of a hot bang.

For example why there is no matter, no radiation, and no gravity when the big burst emerges from the big crunch.

For example how the CMBR is formed after the burst and after the period of abundant matter formation and hydrogen star formation and why it is so isotropic.

For example how the expanding burst can exhibit homogeneity and isotropy as it actually expands from a central burst, i.e. why we can’t detect a center or an edge.

For example how binding energy of a nucleus can be explained by EEP sharing between adjacent atomic particles and may even hold a clue to quantifying the EEP itself.

And for example why there is no math in the ISU. Math is considered to be conceptual and is dependant on life forms that may or may not exist in any given arena, and if they do exist in a particular place, they were generated and evolved by chance. Even without those life forms, the ISU would be like it is.

Just kidding about the math part.

[Michael Noonan]

Since the ISU has energy could it be viewed as a speaker that stores vibration. At some point that overloads the mediums capacity to store it but the vibration is not a rip at a point but a huge bubble of energy that has to focus inwards. At a proper harmonic the energy meets fairly uniformly at a point or more likely a sphere where it then needs to change form due to compression and that is the energy of initial inflation. The inflation expands to the point where it meets the infilling rip and the shattering of the first universe takes place.

With all of its matter and energy locked in the ISU each body of mass needs to generate its own space before movement is again possible and so comes from compression. The possibility here is not just a joined universe but many potentially separate ones although there does at least seem to be some very large connected ones gaining space by accelerating the reconnection of matter.

Cheers

[Bogie]

Since the ISU has energy could it be viewed as a speaker that stores vibration. At some point that overloads the mediums capacity to store it but the vibration is not a rip at a point but a huge bubble of energy that has to focus inwards. At a proper harmonic the energy meets fairly uniformly at a point or more likely a sphere where it then needs to change form due to compression and that is the energy of initial inflation. The inflation expands to the point where it meets the infilling rip and the shattering of the first universe takes place.

With all of its matter and energy locked in the ISU each body of mass needs to generate its own space before movement is again possible and so comes from compression. The possibility here is not just a joined universe but many potentially separate ones although there does at least seem to be some very large connected ones gaining space by accelerating the reconnection of matter.

Cheers

It doesn't sound right to me but if you were to start a thread where others may see your idea, I would be glad to come over and explore it with you. No one reads this thread any more, lol. You must have pushed the button by mistake.

[Michael Noonan]

It doesn't sound right to me but if you were to start a thread where others may see your idea, I would be glad to come over and explore it with you. No one reads this thread any more, lol. You must have pushed the button by mistake.

No mistake I look at each system as a whole and in isolation. The void what is its cause and effect, the balance that somehow this had to work but in the cycle of the void this is a wound and the infill that is us is scar tissue. Ultimately the void is mostly uniform again and resonant but with the frozen pieces of what ever became of the pieces that thinned enough not to make their own space.
Clearly a singularity would generate enough space to continue movement unrestricted in a void and so exhibit a continued expansion but matter now how dense does matter have to be to make its own space before it can no longer make passage.

So does all the stuff that was the inflating in the first universe run into ISU and hit the equivalent of a cosmic brick wall, a sort of sphere of debris. Just the 90% that had already made singularity or stars heavy enough to keep going or is there evidence of a time of shearing because there needed to be a point when the universe went from round to tubular. I struggle with gravity weakening because that spells problems and Einstein believed it was set in granite. So the other explanation is that gravity held and the initial medium hadn't filled in the wound of the start of our universe. I could be way off track here but thought it may be a significant point.

Cheers

[Michael Noonan]

The reason I said this was if you were outside the system looking up at it you would see it fall as it burst on one side or point and fell away from that burst like a star coming down slowly loosing light until it dissolved into darkness. On the second inflationary stage the remnants would be in a long tube shape but the singularities would continue their normal path. First this takes us off a defined centre but secondly by triangulating the singularities if they can be detected the centre may just be plotted. This still wouldn't give us the point of rupture but that should have filled in by now.

But does any of this fit with your theory?

Cheers

[Bogie]

Since the ISU has energy could it be viewed as a speaker that stores vibration. At some point that overloads the mediums capacity to store it but the vibration is not a rip at a point but a huge bubble of energy that has to focus inwards. At a proper harmonic the energy meets fairly uniformly at a point or more likely a sphere where it then needs to change form due to compression and that is the energy of initial inflation. The inflation expands to the point where it meets the infilling rip and the shattering of the first universe takes place.

The ISU is the greater universe. The big crunch is what you are describing? Crunch/bangs occur here and there all the time in the ISU.

With all of its matter and energy locked in the ISU each body of mass needs to generate its own space before movement is again possible and so comes from compression. The possibility here is not just a joined universe but many potentially separate ones although there does at least seem to be some very large connected ones gaining space by accelerating the reconnection of matter.

The bursts and their subsequent expansion are very far apart. They may take tens of trillions of years to form in an arena that may be a trillion light years across. So yes they are remotely joined, but the expanding matter leaves the arena and sets out on a many trillion years trip to a place where it is pull in by some new crunch.

[Michael Noonan]

The ISU is the greater universe. The big crunch is what you are describing? Crunch/bangs occur here and there all the time in the ISU.
The bursts and their subsequent expansion are very far apart. They may take tens of trillions of years to from in an arena that may be a trillion light years across. So yes they are remotely joined, but the expanding matter leaves the arena in sets out on a many trillion years trip to a place where it is pull in by some new crunch.

Yes this is more like the time frames that I had in mind.

Cheers

[Bogie]

No mistake I look at each system as a whole and in isolation. The void what is its cause and effect, the balance that somehow this had to work but in the cycle of the void this is a wound and the infill that is us is scar tissue. Ultimately the void is mostly uniform again and resonant but with the frozen pieces of what ever became of the pieces that thinned enough not to make their own space.
Clearly a singularity would generate enough space to continue movement unrestricted in a void and so exhibit a continued expansion but matter now how dense does matter have to be to make its own space before it can no longer make passage.

My idea is that there is ample space and always has been. Space is not created in the ISU like it is in BBT.

So does all the stuff that was the inflating in the first universe run into ISU and hit the equivalent of a cosmic brick wall, a sort of sphere of debris. Just the 90% that had already made singularity or stars heavy enough to keep going or is there evidence of a time of shearing because there needed to be a point when the universe went from round to tubular.

I am thinking there is only one universe, the ISU. Crunch/bursts that replace the singularity in the BBT are all part of the ISU. They individually crunch and burst when their accumulated matter reaches "critical capacity". This critical capacity is what keeps the whole ISU (infinite as it is) from collapsing into one really big crunch, lol.

Time just passes in the ISU. If you synchronize your watch with someone else, they will never get moving fast enough or go far enough to cause you to lose track of what time it is where they are. (Don't take this to mean that relativity does not work, it just means that unless you care about the affect of acceleration on relative time frames you don't need to consider it.)

I struggle with gravity weakening because that spells problems and Einstein believed it was set in granite. So the other explanation is that gravity held and the initial medium hadn't filled in the wound of the start of our universe. I could be way off track here but thought it may be a significant point.

In the ISU, gravity is caused by EEPs from the energy density of space flowing through matter and sloughed off as photons. The continual flow causes low energy density surrounding matter and objects move toward the lowest energy density which is the path directly between them. The strength of this flow would seem to be linked to the pressure of the surrounding energy density, so if the energy density decreased as the expansion increased, gravity would diminish. A pound would still be a pound though, because the weight of an object is dependent on the strength of the gravitational field and the one pound mass would still be one pound in a diminished field because all objects would be similarly affected.

[Bogie]

Recap of the Infinite Spongy Universe Idea and the EEP

What makes the universe spongy?
From its tiniest meaningful particle, the Elementary Energy Particle (EEP), to the grand arenas of each crunch/Burst, it expands and contracts.

Can you describe the EEP and suggest how it can explain many of the observations of the visible universe?
1. The EEP is the quanta of energy, and matter is composed of energy, so all matter is composed of EEPs.

2. EEPs exist as energy density in space. The energy density of contiguous space is self-equalizing. Energy will balance its density to achieve a consistent pressure across the entire contiguous EEP environment.

3. EEP environments are pressure zones of energy density. They can be as large as the arena of a crunch/burst, a trillion light years across, and they can be as small as the individual EEP itself, too small to measure. A single EEP in a given space will expand to fill the entire space. Two EEPs in the same space will take turns expanding and contracting, keeping the entire space filled. Such an environment would be of the lowest possible pressure. On the other hand, most of the EEPs in a crunch/burst arena can be compressed in the core of a big crunch. Such an environment would be the highest possible pressure.

4. EEPs that exist as energy density in space are in Type 1 (T1) space, and EEPs that exist in matter are in Type 2 (T2) space. The T2 class of EEP environments has to do with the merged groupings of EEPs that compose matter, and with the adjacent surfaces of merged groupings, especially between stable particles. For example a proton and a neutron in the nucleus of an atom are individual groupings and adjacent groupings. These adjacent groupings are bonded because they share EEPs. This sharing might account for the binding energy of the nucleus of the atom. Electrons are also held by the nucleus by a far weaker binding energy.

5. Energy density is not the same as matter density. EEPs do not individually have mass but they can interact and merge to form matter, and matter has mass. Mass is what gives matter weight in a gravitational field. Mass contains a huge amount of energy in the form of EEPs. EEPs are unmeasured but there may be clues that will help quantify them.

6. Protons are the primary stable particle of the universe and are formed from EEPs that merge when the energy density of their environment is in the matter formation range, i.e. at the right pressure to allow EEPs to sufficiently express their expansion and contraction.

7. As stable protons are formed by merging EEPs, their stability is marked by a group vibration that resonates with the pulsing of the EEPs in the contiguous space. This stability causes additional EEPs to be confined to a ring surrounding the stable vibrating proton. This ring gains energy as EEPs swarm to the proton, and one proton can support enough EEPs to form one electron. The swarming is the result of the lowering of the energy density when matter forms because matter contains a huge amount of energy in a very small space. EEPs swarm into the newly formed low energy density as they try to equalize the energy density across contiguous space. As they swarm the proton they are forced into the electron ring by the vibration and as the ring is filled, additional EEPs that accumulate there are sloughed off as discrete packets of energy called photons. The atom has now formed and has become a tiny photon producing machine. The atom now expresses gravity.

8. The gravitational field is caused by the flow of EEPs into matter and then out of matter in the form of electromagnetic radiation, i.e. photons that are sloughed by the electron. As EEPs flow through atoms they perpetuate the environment of low energy density surrounding the atom. Atoms tend to move toward the path of lowest energy density. The path between two atoms, each surrounded by low energy density, is the path of least resistance. For this reason, atoms tend to move toward each other. Mass increases as atoms group together due to their gravity. Gravity is caused by the low energy density environment surrounding matter.

9. There are two extremes of gravity. The attraction between newly formed hydrogen atoms is at one extreme, and big crunches forming from the remnants of various crunch/bursts across the greater universe is the other extreme. EEPs are at the heart of each extreme.

10. EEPs limit the amount of matter that can accumulate in a big crunch before the crunch has to burst. Matter is attracted to a big crunch by gravity. The matter that eventually enters a big crunch may have come form as many as twenty or thirty crunch/bursts and from as many as twenty or thirty different directions. Each burst probably eventually ends up partially feeding many separate crunches across a large scale expanse of the greater universe.

11. As gravity works to build the crunch there is heat and compression exerted in the core of the crunch. Matter under such heat and compression becomes negated. Negation is the process of decomposing matter into its constituent EEPs. Negated matter no longer has mass and no longer expresses gravity. As matter is negated into EEPs, the pressure of the EEP core grows rapidly. As the core grows the gravitational force within the crunch is decreasing and therefore gradually the inflow of matter and energy into the crunch from the arena is diminished. Eventually the internal pressure from the compressed EEP core will overcome the compression of the crunch causing the final negation of the remaining crunch. When the compression is overcome, the extremely high energy density of the core bursts into the extremely low energy density of the surrounding arena. When the critical capacity of EEPs in a crunch is reached, the burst is inevitable thus limiting the possible size of the crunch.

12. After EEPs have caused the big crunch to burst the extremely high energy density of the emerging core merges with the extremely low energy density of the arena surrounding the crunch. The result is an immediate and rapid expansion of the emerging core as the two huge EEP environments begin the process of balancing their pressure.

13. The cause of the burst and the characteristics of the core and emerging high energy density of EEPs is the expression of the most unique characteristic of individual EEPs. They are spongy and they expand and contract independently as tiny perpetual energy machines. They can be compressed to near infinite energy density in the core of the crunch. When they are compressed to near infinite energy density they become compression locked and cannot express their pulsing action. When they are compression locked they have repressed energy that eventually contributes to the burst.

14. The temperature within a big crunch spans a wide range of possibilities from as high as tens of billions of degrees at the height of compression, to as low as several degrees Kelvin as the burst emerges. Individual EEPs do not have a temperature. That is not to say they are at absolute zero, it says that they have no temperature of their own. The temperature of the surrounding environment of matter particles is transferred efficiently across the EEP environment of the core. As the compression of the crunch is being overcome by the growing core and declining gravity, the temperature expressed as a result of the compression of the remaining matter in the crunch is declining. By the time the core emerges as the crunch bursts, the temperature of the burst is equalized with the temperature of the surrounding arena, i.e. very cold.

15. At the time of the burst, the emerging core has little temperature, no matter or mass, and expresses no gravity. It is expanding from the push of the burst and the pull of the negative pressure of the extremely low energy density of the arena. We now have an expanding core that consists of up to 99% of all of the EEPs that ventured into the arena within which the crunch formed. These individual EEPs have been compressed to nearly infinite pressure and nearly zero volume.

16. This emerging core is the ultimate energy environment. The constituents of every single individual particle of matter that will ever form from this emerging energy ball are contained in the form of minute compressed energy quanta. This extremely dense energy ball contains a very large but finite number of EEPs. These EEPs have all been negated from the matter that entered the crunch over perhaps tens of billions of years. They will form back into matter when the energy density of the expanding burst is lowered enough to allow the individual EEPs to sufficiently express their expansion and contraction.

17. Matter formation occurs when the expanding energy density is reduced by expansion. The extremely high energy density that negates matter within the crunch will not permit matter to form. With expansion the energy density slowly declines until it reaches the still high energy density that permits matter formation.

18. This occurs because the pulse period of the individual EEPs has increased as the pulse slows gradually. The gradual increase in the pulse period as the pulse slows reflects the situation that in the expanding environment each EEP needs to fill more space to achieve the balancing of pressure across the environment. Mergers are attempted in all EEP pressure environments but they are only successful when the vibration of the merged EEPs falls below the negation threshold, i.e. the forming mergers are not immediately negated by the extremely short pulse (high frequency) of the surrounding EEPs.

19. During the abundant matter formation of the high energy density period, protons, elections, hydrogen atoms, and photons are formed across the full huge expanse of the expanding high energy density that emerged from the crunch/burst. This entire environment is extremely isotropic because the energy, in the form of EEPs, is continually equalizing the pressures across the environment.

20. Gravity causes the hydrogen atoms to quickly form hydrogen stars which burn hot and fast. Due to the isotropy of the environment these young hot hydrogen stars form quite evenly disbursed across the entire environment. They burn hot and the burn quickly, collapsing and exploding into dust clouds of heavier nuclei built in their cores.

21. Surrounding the core of the hot hydrogen stars is a zone where neutrons are formed. The formation of neutrons occurs under pressure of the environment surrounding the core. This pressure is sufficient to overcome the force field of the proton that is holding the electron in its ring around the proton. The electrons of the hydrogen atoms in this zone of the hydrogen star are forced into the proton. These compressed hydrogen atoms are thus converted to neutrons when the electron disrupts the vibration of the formerly stable proton. The vibration of the neutron is above the threshold of electron attraction and when the new neutrons become part of the dust cloud that emerges from the collapse of the hydrogen star, they do not attract and form electrons, but they readily merge with protons which readily attract and form elections.

22. The neutrons bond with the protons by sharing adjacent EEPs. Only one neutron can bond to a proton, and nuclei of heavier atoms form as the bonded nuclei themselves combine by mutual sharing of EEPs. This binding energy might be a clue to quantifying the EEP itself. The mass of the nucleus should be less than the mass of the individual protons and neutrons that make it up.

23. The dust clouds form a little less consistently across the huge expanse of matter formation than do the hydrogen stars themselves because there is some variance in the hydrogen star cycle and there are slight variances throughout the overall expansion due to the slight variances in the energy density that emerged from the crunch. These slight variances that existed at emergence are caused by slight differences in the final negation of the matter at the outer edge of the crunch that surrounded the EEPs at the time of the burst, and by the slight variances in the energy density in the arena surrounding the crunch due to disbursed accreting material negated by the emerging burst. The summation of these variances causes very slight variances in the resulting temperature of the expanding environment often referred to as the cosmic microwave background radiation. These slight variances are magnified by the expansion and allow for the eventual emergence of large galaxy structure within the expansion, i.e. within the visible universe.

24. As large scale structure forms in the visible universe the period of abundant matter formation is drawing to a close. This slowing and cessation of matter formation occurs when the energy density of the expanding environment is reduced from the high energy density period to a period of average energy density. The point of average energy density marks the point that energy and matter are in balance across the expanding energy density from the crunch/burst. Because of the similarity between crunch/bursts that all have a limit defined by critical capacity, the overall balance between energy and matter across the greater universe is approximately the same as the balance in the local crunch/bang arena at the point of average energy density.

25. Expansion however continues and accelerates when average energy density is achieved. Two factors contribute to the acceleration. One is the fact that matter formation itself has been slowing the expansion since matter is much denser than the energy, and the other factor is that as the energy density of the expanding burst declines throughout the matter formation period, the force of gravity declines. The decline in the force of gravity reflects a reduction in the energy density pressure that is forcing the flow of EEPs through atoms and into the electron rings. Photon production therefore declines during this period.

26. Accelerating expansion continues as the energy density falls below average and reaches the period of low energy density. Low energy density exists in the expanding burst universe when that expansion has filled the arena left by the formation of the crunch itself. The matter that has formed during the expansion cools and leaves the arena in all directions as it travels out into the greater universe. Depending on the proximity of forming crunches in the greater universe surrounding the now spent arena, the disbursing matter and radiation will participate in various newly forming arenas which themselves are destined to burst tens of trillions of years later.

This is my latest thinking about the EEPs and how they can explain many of the observations of the visible universe.

[sirius0]

If you are right wouldn't formulas for this EEP be similiar in their derivation to Boyle's law? In fact provided you are right the EEP might be a perfect gas?

[Michael Noonan]

In the galaxy there is a need for space. That space only gets Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter once it has been drawn through a singularity. That occurs when the tube forms lifts outwards and loops back down to the singularity at no time is the system outside the galaxy bubble of space filleing with Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter but inside it is. Topologically by diving back in on itself it is a closed loop essential space and one where galaxies will get thrown together if the are connected. The EEPs are both inside and outside the bubble of space of the galaxy.

We have two different entities, one Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter that supports the working inside the tubes. The second EEPs that function both inside and out. Without this combination there would be no null space tubes no mechanism to open a singularity from the void.

There are three levels one the interior of the tube with both EEPs and Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter.

Two the tube itself where ordinary matter exists like planets and stars.

Three the void or ISU where only EEPs exist.

So without the interaction of these two entities and I am trying to get my head around their particular properties we don't have a dark energy, dark matter, ordinary matter gravitationally separated system.

I would like to know more and will read more on the action of these entities because if light can exhibit duality of particle/waveform does the standing EEP exhibit inertia

[Bogie]

If you are right wouldn't formulas for this EEP be similar in their derivation to Boyle's law? In fact provided you are right the EEP might be a perfect gas?

Yes similar, I think so.

What I have is a conceptual elementary energy particle that is spongy and that squeezes itself, lol. They have a pulsing action but no temperature.

Correct me if I am wrong, but temperature applies to matter and is determined by the frequency of the photons emitted?

The perfect or ideal gas is similar to the energy density of space, but is made of matter, not EEPs. EEPs in the energy density of space are perfect conductors of temperature but they have no temperature of their own, only a frequency that corresponds to their density. The density and therefore the frequency self equalizes across contiguous space.

My concept of energy density in space does not have matter, mass, or molecules or atoms or photons when it is at its peak density, referred to as extremely high energy density, like what would emerge from the core of a big crunch in the ISU (or at the instant of a big bang if you adhere to BBT).

When it is at the next lower density state, called high energy density, it can form matter, and the matter that forms comes out of high energy density space. Two things are noteworthy when that happens. The energy density of the space that the matter formed from is lower by the amount of energy that was converted into matter (similar to Boyle's law?). And there is a low energy density "EEP environment" immediately surrounding the matter that just formed at the instant that the matter formed.

Dealing with the contiguous space that is left behind by the matter, we find that over all the density has been reduced, but it still contains only energy because there are two types of space. It could be thought of conceptually as a perfect or ideal gas, but the "gas" which denotes molecules and/or atoms is not appropriate.

T1 space has energy density and is made up of EEPs in space and T2 space is matter density made up of EEPs that have merged to form particles of matter.

Once formed and based on my idea that energy from contiguous space in the form of EEPs are attracted to this new matter because of the low energy density surrounding, and because energy in space continually tries to equalize its pressure and density, EEPs are forced into the newly formed matter by the swarming of that matter by EEPs.

The matter reaches a stable state, like a proton, when the combined pulsing of the EEPs in the matter creates a vibration because they are merged and are pulsing in the same space, one right after the other.

The pulsing of the proton reaches a stable frequency that resonates with the pulsing of the EEPs in the energy density of space. The EEPs continue to swarm the proton, but the vibration of the proton, once stability is reached, causes this influx of EEPs to be kept at bey. They form in a circle around the proton and accumulate EEPs until they reach the status of an electron, i.e. the ring that they are in around the proton is filled.

The swarming of EEPs doesn't stop though because after the proton formed and was surrounded by low energy density, they were accepted but were used to form the electron, and so at this point the low energy density surrounding the proton and the electron still remains in tact around the new hydrogen atom.

The swarming of the atom by EEPs continues and the electron gets overloaded with energy and sloughs off the excess energy in discrete packets called photons.

The sloughing off of photons by the electron perpetuates the continuity of the low energy density surrounding the atom and so the flow continues as EEPs swarm the atom and photons are sloughed off in a stream.

So a better description of the "perfect gas" of EEPs in the energy density of space might be ...

I'm thinking it might be called the perfect background of matter. Or sub-matter? or matter source?

Then the density of EEPs in a volume of space can be said to define the pressure of the energy density of that volume of space.

And then I would say that at extremely high energy density, matter cannot exist because the pulsing of the EEPs in extremely high energy density space is to fast to permit EEPs to efficiently merge into stable groupings that form matter. I am saying that the perfect background has a frequency of its own, and the frequency is determined by the energy density.

The frequency of the prefect background can be lowered in two ways. One is expansion. Of course expansion is a natural consequence of a big burst in the ISU (or a big bang if you adhere to BBT). And two is by forming matter. Matter contains a huge amount of energy (e=mc^2, is this tied to BBT or is it the same in the ISU?)

The frequency of the perfect background that permits matter formation soon arrives as the volume of the energy burst increases. When that frequency allows the EEPs to expand and contract sufficiently they begin to merge and form matter.

The expansion of the burst slows during the period of abundant matter formation and at the same time the energy density of the perfect background is being lowed by the expansion that is ongoing and by the reduction of energy density as volume of the perfect background is used in the formation of matter, taking some pressure off of the leading edge of the expansion.

The matter formation period slows and comes to an end, and at that point the pressure on the edge of expansion is no longer dampened by matter formation, and acceleration of the expansion occurs.

Based on that idea, I would say our observable universe has passed the stage of abundant matter formation and is now accelerating into the arena of low frequency perfect background.

Thank you for the idea of the perfect gas, and what do you think of the extension of that to a perfect background?

[Bogie]

In the galaxy there is a need for space. That space only gets Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter once it has been drawn through a singularity. That occurs when the tube forms lifts outwards and loops back down to the singularity at no time is the system outside the galaxy bubble of space filleing with Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter but inside it is. Topologically by diving back in on itself it is a closed loop essential space and one where galaxies will get thrown together if the are connected. The EEPs are both inside and outside the bubble of space of the galaxy.

We have two different entities, one Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter that supports the working inside the tubes. The second EEPs that function both inside and out. Without this combination there would be no null space tubes no mechanism to open a singularity from the void.

There are three levels one the interior of the tube with both EEPs and Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter.

Two the tube itself where ordinary matter exists like planets and stars.

Three the void or ISU where only EEPs exist.

So without the interaction of these two entities and I am trying to get my head around their particular properties we don't have a dark energy, dark matter, ordinary matter gravitationally separated system.

I would like to know more and will read more on the action of these entities because if light can exhibit duality of particle/waveform does the standing EEP exhibit inertia

This is not getting through to me because I'm not an advocate of worm holes or the "three levels" idea.

There is no lack of space or energy in the ISU, both are infinite. Also there are no voids because T1 space is contiguous, and EEPs in contiguous space tend to equalize their density.

In fact, the tendency to balance the pressure of contiguous space is what makes the whole thing dynamic.

Certain events like crunches and bursts, and periods of matter formation can alter that density in one locality or another, and if you have followed the thread you know what arenas are. Arenas are defined as the volume of space that is the source of the matter that accumulates in any given big crunch.

The size of an arena is limited by the critical capacity of a big crunch. When the critical capacity of matter has accumulated, the resulting pressure and heat cause the processes within the crunch to reach a point of no return and the burst is inevitable.

Because the critical capacity is common to all crunches based on the nature of energy and matter, all crunches and therefore all arenas are essentially the same. They occur here and there now and then across the infinite height, width, and depth of ISU all the time. There are no "other" dimensions so to speak.

[RussT]

In the galaxy there is a need for space. That space only gets Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter once it has been drawn through a singularity. That occurs when the tube forms lifts outwards and loops back down to the singularity at no time is the system outside the galaxy bubble of space filleing with Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter but inside it is. Topologically by diving back in on itself it is a closed loop essential space and one where galaxies will get thrown together if the are connected. The EEPs are both inside and outside the bubble of space of the galaxy.

We have two different entities, one Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter that supports the working inside the tubes. The second EEPs that function both inside and out. Without this combination there would be no null space tubes no mechanism to open a singularity from the void.

There are three levels one the interior of the tube with both EEPs and Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter.

Two the tube itself where ordinary matter exists like planets and stars.

Three the void or ISU where only EEPs exist.

So without the interaction of these two entities and I am trying to get my head around their particular properties we don't have a dark energy, dark matter, ordinary matter gravitationally separated system.

I would like to know more and will read more on the action of these entities because if light can exhibit duality of particle/waveform does the standing EEP exhibit inertia

Micheal Noonan, as I suggested several times, you cannot just change the the things that I showed you in your thread and expect them to be consistent with everything!!!

You did not ask enough questions to be sure of exactly how different things were working in relation to everything else.

Even Bogie, after numerous questions and responses, still got it in his head after reading a particular post, that Radiation was coming through the Einstein-Rosen Bridges, into the Voids and that that is where Matter was being created.

You need to re-read (Numerous times) all the posts in your threads to make sure you have a clear understanding of what is happening when and where, to even begin to change anything and still remain consistent!

That occurs when the tube forms lifts outwards and loops back down to the singularity at no time is the system outside the galaxy bubble of space filleing with Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter but inside it is.

This is not even close, and then makes everything else....WAY OFF>

[RussT]

Also there are no voids because T1 space is contiguous, and EEPs in contiguous space tend to equalize their density.

Bogie, how do you figure this???

How can you be talking of Bangs and Crunches with expansions? The expansion that is seen is between the clusters of galaxies, and those are the Voids.

[Bogie]

Bogie, how do you figure this???

How can you be talking of Bangs and Crunches with expansions? The expansion that is seen is between the clusters of galaxies, and those are the Voids.

The expansion is everywhere, it just is off-set in galaxies by gravity. Gravity is at work on off-setting the expansion between galaxies and clusters too but the square of the distance rule makes it less apparent.

Eventually everything will fall off the edge (this is humor ).

[sirius0]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but temperature applies to matter and is determined by the frequency of the photons emitted?


Thank you for the idea of the perfect gas, and what do you think of the extension of that to a perfect background?

Perfect background is fine. I was alluding to an analogous similarity. That is that the derivation of a perfect background might look like boyles law. Temperature could almost be heat energy density and therefore analogous to the Energy density of your EEP. Derivations for quantum physics (particle in a box, black body radiation etc) very initially similiar to classic mechanics but exposes something deeper. One of my lectureres used to say. "Once you have done enough physics it all starts to look the same". I am thinking the next step for your ideas would be formulations and some predictions of outcome (if you haven't already done so).