James McCanney on Phil Plait

[Sammy]

One Word, on Pork:

Trichinosis ...

NOT Fun!

Positively! But the good news is that

Infection was once very common and usually caused by ingestion of undercooked pork. However, infection is now relatively rare. During 1997-2001, an average of 12 cases per year were reported. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw-meat garbage to hogs, commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork products. Cases are less commonly associated with pork products and more often associated with eating raw or undercooked wild game meats.

CDC, at http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasi...nosis.htm#risk (emphasis added)

[The Bad Astronomer]

Maksutov, calling religion superstition, whether I agree with you or not, is a bad idea on this board. Don't do it again.

[tofu]

BTW, what's freezing got to do with it? It's all about getting the meat above the minimum safe temperature while cooking.

really? So if I leave raw chicken out over night I can eat it the next day so long as I cook it? I really don't know the answer - I'm not much of a cook.

[Sammy]

BTW, what's freezing got to do with it? It's all about getting the meat above the minimum safe temperature while cooking.

really? So if I leave raw chicken out over night I can eat it the next day so long as I cook it? I really don't know the answer - I'm not much of a cook.

NO!

We're comparing living parasites (trichinosis) and bacteria and their toxic residue. Cook it it enuff to kill the parasite and you're safe. But it's hard to cook it enuff to both kill the bacteria and destroy the toxins thay produce--and keep the food edible!

[philojones]

Many of you have just one or two degrees. I have a 90 degree angle. This is a supersecret attainment of the few initiates that are truly at the apogee of the scientist tree so worship me. None of you can understand physics because you have been transmogrified with blatant lies and abide in the abyss of bad word deleted by The Bad Astronomer.

Whenever the next tusami hits, I'll show you the documentation where I already predicted it. Tusami's are space waves, I think, I'll have to relisten to the guest on mysteriesofthemind.com They come crashing in after a comet displaces the water of the outer reaches or something.

I don't really know if we hit the moon with a manned spacecraft. If we did, I think Russia,China and others should have taken numerous photos of the event. Do these exist?

[The Bad Astronomer]

philojones, between using a bad word and slinging around unsubstantiated claims, you are on very thin ice here. First warning. There won't be another.

[Maksutov]

Maksutov, calling religion superstition, whether I agree with you or not, is a bad idea on this board. Don't do it again.

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[Kesh]

Many of you have just one or two degrees. I have a 90 degree angle. This is a supersecret attainment of the few initiates that are truly at the apogee of the scientist tree so worship me.

This reminds me of a book I just finished reading, where a character manages to convince a (slightly damaged) computer AI that her identity is "Tippy-Top Secret," which is a level so far above Top Secret, that only the people with her clearance know it exists.

[Swift]

Many of you have just one or two degrees. I have a 90 degree angle. This is a supersecret attainment of the few initiates that are truly at the apogee of the scientist tree so worship me.

This reminds me of a book I just finished reading, where a character manages to convince a (slightly damaged) computer AI that her identity is "Tippy-Top Secret," which is a level so far above Top Secret, that only the people with her clearance know it exists.

Sort of like double-secret probation. :wink:

[Laguna]

This is a supersecret attainment of the few initiates that are truly at the apogee

Now no longer.
Run, the others will get you. #-o

[sts60]

Many of you have just one or two degrees. I have a 90 degree angle. This is a supersecret attainment of the few initiates that are truly at the apogee of the scientist tree so worship me.

This reminds me of a book I just finished reading, where a character manages to convince a (slightly damaged) computer AI that her identity is "Tippy-Top Secret," which is a level so far above Top Secret, that only the people with her clearance know it exists.

As for philojones's posts, from what I've seen I think he's parodying the style of the woo-woos. It's just about perfect.

I used to have a fairly common clearance, and worked with a guy who had previously worked on some really super-duper-secret thing. He couldn't even tell me the name of the clearance I needed to have for him to tell me the acronym of his former project. I suppose it was probably tippy-top secret... at least. :P

[philojones]

[Tranquilis]

I used to have a fairly common clearance, and worked with a guy who had previously worked on some really super-duper-secret thing. He couldn't even tell me the name of the clearance I needed to have for him to tell me the acronym of his former project. I suppose it was probably tippy-top secret... at least. :P

SCI - Sensitive Compartmented Information. Even the tri-graphs that name the various SCI projects are SCI - In a couple cases, I had to get cleared to one level of SCI just to know what other levels I wasn't cleared to know about.

Awkward, being on a Special Projects boat - No secrets in a submarine, so you had to be cleared to know which information you're suppposed to forget you ever heard...

[Maksutov]

I used to have a fairly common clearance, and worked with a guy who had previously worked on some really super-duper-secret thing. He couldn't even tell me the name of the clearance I needed to have for him to tell me the acronym of his former project. I suppose it was probably tippy-top secret... at least. :P

SCI - Sensitive Compartmented Information. Even the tri-graphs that name the various SCI projects are SCI - In a couple cases, I had to get cleared to one level of SCI just to know what other levels I wasn't cleared to know about.

Awkward, being on a Special Projects boat - No secrets in a submarine, so you had to be cleared to know which information you're supposed to forget you ever heard...

Kind of ironic, eh? Then there was the whole "need to know" conundrum. You had to convince others that you needed to know what you didn't know but they did, in order for you to do your work with that which you didn't know.

Without going into detail (of course) in my experience (except that if there was a clearance I had it), this whole system was a wonderful way for certain folks to sweep things under the rug. The judge for whether you needed to know about the rug was typically the rug owner. "What rug?" Do you have a need-to-know about rugs?" And if you couldn't prove you did, then there was little to no chance you'd ever have any knowledge of what was under the rug. So to speak. :wink:

[Gregg_Evans]

No, the really, really super duper secret stuff is "Top Secret: Grant", only him, Nancy, the Zetas and God know that stuff.

G

[jrkeller]

And these jerks actually have the disrespect to slam real explorers and scientists. To me the crap about the moon landings is disrespectful of the people who died to get there!

Here's a good thread to get you started on the moon hoax. I take get pride in this thread that I started, since it introduced us to CosmicDave. I'll let his postings speak for him.

[steve45071]

There is a discussion to be had here somewhere

To ignore or to debunk ??

By responding to woo woo's - that also gives them publicity

I guess it depends how much time people have on their hands

These days, my spare time is limited, so i've tended to take the ignore option

I still think it's useful in the case of those that claim to make psychic predictions to keep on record their predictions in a database somewhere in order to keep tabs on what kind of hit rate percentage they get in the years to follow

[steve45071]

Text Transcript of the first twelve minutes of JM's interview with George Noory

I have a heavy cold right now, not able to sleep so i've transcribed the first twelve minutes of JM's brief appearance on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory on Thursday 3rd Feb 2005

This first 12 minutes or so was where the main points were made
He then goes on to talk about tsunamis for a few more minutes

G - refers to George Noory
J - refers to James McCanney

G: Professor James McCanney, he is a physicist, he spent decades with his theoretical work showing that the solar system is ever changing and is electrically active.
McCanney was a facuality member of physics and mathematics at Cornell University in New York. He is our guest this hour on Coast to Coast.

Jim what's going on? Websites all over the place have got all kinds of things going, rumours of course but one attributed to you that a major object is coming this way and it could cause serious problems on the planet. When i called you, of course you said nope not the case, but i do think it's time to chat with you a little bit. What's going on? Does that happen a lot?

J: Yes. George this happens all the time and there are specific people that start these rumours I think it's good to mention who they are. Charles Steinberger is the guy who has continually started false rumours, tried to tell people about things that i never said. It's been a constant problem. Then these become posted on a.. ugh some chat page by a person that at least uses the name Diane Thomas and that's another person who hosts a page called the one fifty m planet x, and has a tremendous amount of disinformation about me. errr. slamming me err trying to run down my character. So this is a constant attack on me in fact... ummm There seems to be a small group of people who are let's say causing trouble

G: See not only does it hurt your credibility as a scientist who is trying to bring us real information of course because it confuses people but they are also using your name Jim and that's a problem too

J: Yeah and this is false information. These people do not represent me. I don't even know who these people are. They generally are using phoney names. Ummmm
I wrote down a short list and this is a partial list of things that have happened just in the last six months. Let me give some examples, there's a professional astronomer who has a very personal attack on his webpage and then refers to this one fifty m website
When you go to find out who owns this website, the one fifty m planet x website You cannot find out, there's nobody that's registered to like you know should be with internet So these are as far as we know government sites. Run that are you know.. protected

G: Well one of the problems too Jim and we'll get into the rest of your list but God forbid that if an object does come this way.. eventually, if everybody has got this sky is falling mentality, who's going to believe it then?

J: Well it's the cry wolf and cry wolf and cry wolf and we've seen this over and over and over again and of course you have been in a sense been victimised by some of these people too with your show. Cause you want to bring real information, but what i've tried to do all along is, bring about a middle of the road, a rational explanation between say astronomers who say it could never happen and people who say the sky is falling every afternoon. But the situation with me and i've been very specific in fact... art bell, i was on with him, oh about a month ago, and he lead me down a long series of questions and we really hashed this out, but the bottom line is, the weather is very unusual, the electrical state of the solar system is very advanced. We have the sun oscilating between extreme highs and extreme lows after that big solar flare a week ago.
The sun went down and actually the solar wind went to zero.. and then it picked up again so we're seeing very unusual things, plus the comets coming in from the south. Something that i identified, and started broadcasting and talking about the unusually large number of comets coming in from the southern hemisphere and i've studied and so have astronomers studied the statistics of where comets come from, and they generally come from all directions, but this wave over the last... since about the year 2000 of comets coming from the south indicates... it's an indicator. It doesn't prove anything Also the sun is responding to something. You have to understand that the solar fusion is up in the surface atmosphere, not down in the core and the surface atmosphere is responding to something. So you put all this together... now .... that... people are then taking this and saying well.... JM has said there is something inbound and it's going to be here in a certain amount of time.. i never pick dates. I have never done that. I never will unless i have sound information.
In fact i'm on an observing right now [talks about rain outside]
My own assignment so to speak, looking at the fault lines in some of these volcanic islands that could sheer off and create mega-tsunamis, but i don't want to go into that now. The point is that i'm very meticoulous about what i do and about what i say so for these people to twist and change and then email this out and post it on chat pages is really borderline criminal. The other thing is on my webpage and i'm very specific about the people who follow me I do not post on chat pages. I do not have people who represent me and email groups or something like that, i only post on my own webpage or on bona fide legitimate shows like yours. So these people running around doing this.. ummm that's why i don't have email groups because they can get in there, they can spoof my email

G: Sure

J: and on and on and on. So the list goes on, but the bottom line is if i have something that i observe i will state specifically what i've observed and that will be posted on my webpage not on some chat page or through somebody's email group that only uses a first name

G: Well that's why it was so important for me to call you today Jim, when i got that email About someone who said they had seen it on the internet, i said you know what, the first thing i did was i went to your website and i didn't see that and i said now this is weird and that's when i made the call to you and of course with what's going on it's bad enough that there are things that are really happening on this planet. The tsunamis and everything else I don't want people to be petrified of something that has been concocted by some sick people

J: Well you know, the other thing George, and i've gotten feedback from this, is this is being sent and directed towards professional scientists to make me look like some kind of a nutcase and i am under right now an all out attack, in about ten different ways. People are creating and distorting information and then sending it to ummm chat pages but not only that like i say to professional scientists to try to ruin my good name

G: So they see this and they think it's coming from you and they go... what's wrong with this guy. Is that what happens?

J: That's excatly right, in fact a very nice piece of information was written recently by a guy named Mark Gaffney. He posted it, i believe on a site called counterpunch dot org and it was a very nice article about temple one, the comet probe coming up and you even wrote up a piece on that (George Norry: Yes) in after dark, a number of months ago
What he pointed out after a long litany of examples was that what's Nasa going to do in June or July if they don't find any ice there? It was a very complimentary article and this professional astronomer came back from Georgia I believe, and lashing me.. and then pointing out some of this mis-information on webpages so i know it's getting to these astronomers and professional scientists to make me look like a nut case

G: Well Jim we'll continue to give you a vehicle to try to disiminate that information that you see out there and i think what's important and a lot of people need to understand this You're a physicist, you have your own views of what is going on in the solar system and the universe. It may differ from what some other mainstream scientists believe... but it's not far fetched.. it's theories.. it's your theories and that's important, but when people go ahead and say that JM says that a huge object is rapidly approaching our planet, i figured it was time to get you on, and for you to go through this you know, we all went through that Planet X stuff several years ago, where around May 2003 it was supposed to happen and then that group started to push it back to June 2003...then July 2003 and of course nothing happened. I had a guest on last year who i had to toss off the show who said that the planet would be in a mess in September 2004, that didn't happen. It's so important to get professional people like yourself on, who give their views but don't try to scare the world in doing it.

J: Right...and i'm very clear about what i say, my books are available, my papers go back to the 1970's when my work was initiated, i'm very meticulous about what i do. I think the biggest thing to point out is my theoretical work has not changed since i've started, i've added to it and modified the overall extension of it but i haven't changed any of the fundamental i introduced initially

[Tsunami Conversation]

[crateris]

The biggest problem I have with McCanney the cretins like him is that they blame all the crackpot theories (The SARS virus theory, for example) on the US and it's "secret government plans". He (and others) are more than willing to blame the basic American and his lifestyle and capitalism in general for almost any and all types of tragedies and maladies. This kind of nonsense plays well in the minds of those who would do evil to us (and have) and puts real science in general under suspicion. We don't need him and his type.

C.

McCanney:"It doesn't prove anything Also the sun is responding to something. "

Maybe it's responding to all the inane hot air here on Earth!

ops:

C.

[SarahMc]

Well it's the cry wolf and cry wolf and cry wolf and we've seen this over and over and over again and of course you have been in a sense been victimised by some of these people too with your show.

He wasn't refering to himself by any chance, was he?

[The Bad Astronomer]

crateris, regardless of how you or I feel about him, ad hominems like that are not allowed on this board. Do not do it again.

[N C More]

I just went here to Mr. McCanney's website. He states this in his most recent entry:

...i have never stated that there is a planet or whatever about to devastate earth ... listen to the Coast to Coast AM archives for thursday night february 03, 2003 first hour for details and remember i do not post on chat pages, email groups, etc ...

Well, this may be technically correct because he was saying that PX was a comet. But come on now, that's not really going to make him correct either...a comet didn't zoom in on us causing extreme devastation back in 2003!

From his website archives (Jan. 2003) he talks about his pamphlet that gives information on surviving PX:

Archive activated January 17, 2003 of my January 16, 2003 radio broadcast ... topics include the announcement of my newest publication ...

"SURVIVING PLANET-X PASSAGE"

now available below for $5.50 per copy (price includes mailing) ... it contains the essential information of "recalendaring" after a pole shift ... an essential survival tool after a Planet X passage;

I seems to me that Mr. McCanney is trying to "backpedel" on some of his past predictions, JMHO.

[Gmann]

I listened to that exchange that James had with George. He claimed to be under attack from many different people, but he never mentioned the BA 8) , this board, or anything I could connect with this website. He was claiming that there are folks out there who are trying to smear his reputation by attributing statements to him, that he claims not to have made. It's one thing to be mistaken about a few things. To be accused of saying things that were not said is quite another. I can understand his anger over this situation, but it was not directed at anyone affiliated with this board as far as I can tell.

[The Bad Astronomer]

It's one thing to be mistaken about a few things. To be accused of saying things that were not said is quite another. I can understand his anger over this situation,

... except that for many years now he has been claiming that our weird weather, flaring Sun, increase in earthquakes, etc etc (none of which is true) is due to Planet X on its way here. His book is titled "Planet X, Comets, and Earth Changes", fer criminy's sake!

And he's not mistaken "about a few things". He's wrong every time he opens his mouth.

Also, his diatribe against the planetx-m150 website was funny, IMO. That website does something McCanney never does: it makes claims that are verifiable through evidence (sounds rather familiar to me).

Some people don't like it when their claims are challenged, especially by people who may know what they're talking about. McCanney may sometimes mention me by name, for example, but he never tells people to go to my site to see what I have to say. Yet I tell people to go to his site and read it. Why? Because I know that if they do, they'll see that what he claims is a sham. It's wrong, pure and simple.

[N C More]

Yet I tell people to go to his site and read it. Why? Because I know that if they do, they'll see that what he claims is a sham. It's wrong, pure and simple.

Not even to mention that he contradicts himself! What does that say about general credibility. :roll:

[R.A.F.]

McCanney may sometimes mention me by name, for example, but he never tells people to go to my site to see what I have to say.

If he did tell folks to come here, they would soon see (like you said) that he's totally wrong. And he does have a "business" to run...a business that depends on the selling of his books, phamplets, and videos. (Ya know, I didn't realized until I just looked, but McCanney sure has a lot of "stuff" to sell.)

[crateris]

crateris, regardless of how you or I feel about him, ad hominems like that are not allowed on this board. Do not do it again.

Sorry. I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on.

C.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Opinions are okay, as long as they are not insults. Politeness counts at the BABB.

[Gmann]

It's one thing to be mistaken about a few things.

Talk about understatement. #-o I "done 'er again". Perhaps I was being too nice. I did read some of the contents of his site and wondered if he was serious. I do not have a Ph.D., M.S., M.A., or B.A.. I have been told I have a B.S.(but it's not what you think). I can imagine what all of you who DO have degrees in advanced Science studies feel when you read or hear the nonsense he puts out. If I can see a problem with it, then it must be "wrong as....wrong as..."I have a favorite saying for this kind of situation, but I can't use it here (bannable offense). I did state that I did not pick up on a specific comment directed at this board, or it's members, on this show. However, he has done it in the past. I recall a show some time ago where George mentioned something the BA 8) had said, and James responded with something like "I was publishing papers when he was a child" (of course, he didn't answer the question :-k ). I found that comment to be insulting, since age doesn't have anything to do with anything, except perhaps life expectancy.

[Gillianren]

I have a BA. it's in English Literature, and precisely no help when it comes to analyzing woo-woo claims (unless they're about Dickens or Hemingway or something). still, the basic reading I've done is often enough for me to separate truth from woo-woo. (I love that term!)

btw, BA, you might be interested to know that I found your book in the library of The Evergreen State College, in Olympia, WA--not exactly renowned for astronomy. it's very popular; I found it while shelving books, and it didn't make it back onto the shelf! despite a deep distrust of The Gummint there, your book is still very popular. apparently, NASA doesn't count as The Gummint to Greeners.