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    Progress of Messenger in the Solar system

    Doesn't seem to be any ongoing discussion of this probe headed toward Mercury.
    Thought I'd start one just to keep anyone interested informed. Doing a countdown is somewhat meaningless considering that this probe is actually counting UP at this point.

    Why does NASA insist on making acronyms? Considering the role of Mercury in the ancient Pantheon, isn't simply Messenger a good enough name? Did they have to make it into a very awkward acronym (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry and Ranging)?

    Anyway, it is presently in an eliptical orbit that will bring it across Earth's orbit within the next few weeks before heading inward and getting a gravity brake(?) from Venus later this year.
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    launched August 2004

    http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=12441

    Mercury orbit insertion will be on the 18th of March 2011, starting a year-long orbital mission.

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    I'm watching this mission, but there's not much to say. It is interesting that it will be outside the Earth's orbit for the last time soon. Then on to Venus for an uneventful flyby. As far as I know, no science is planned for this pass.
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    It's got a very long flight to get to Mercury. APL seems to be specializing in missions requiring a lot of patience.
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    Mercury is approximately as far from the Sun as the Earth. It will be just outside of Earth orbit for the next few weeks.

    edited: Dang it, meant Messenger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Jubjub
    Mercury is approximately as far from the Sun as the Earth. It will be just outside of Earth orbit for the next few weeks.
    I think you mean that Messenger is just outside Earth's orbit.

    Messenger actually gets to Mercury in 2008, but has several fly-bys as the orbit adjusts so that it can get into orbit around Mercury rather than the Sun. There is a good diagram on the project site.

    Nineplanets also has a good page on Mercury itself.

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    Well, read further into the MESSENGER updates (nearly typed Mercury again) and discovered that it has travelled one billion (1,000,000,000) kilometers with another 4B to go until it reaches MERCURY orbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Jubjub
    Well, read further into the MESSENGER updates (nearly typed Mercury again) and discovered that it has travelled one billion (1,000,000,000) kilometers

    great going !

    but still a long way to travel ( orbit on 18th of March 2011 )

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    Awesome Earth flyby movie

    (Courtesy of the BA's blog.)
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    Didn't this already get posted to the board last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Ferro
    Didn't this already get posted to the board last year?

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    Yep.

    But - quickly contriving an excuse - don't you think it's worth a second visit?
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    It appears that Messenger will be at its farthest point from the Sun within the next week or so. After that, it will encounter Venus and be brought into an orbit inside of Earth.

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    The reason it's taking so long is because of the gravity assists in its trajectory; that saves on bulk of rocket.

    The first spacecraft to go to Mercury, Mariner 10, got a gravity assist from a flyby of Venus; that spacecraft flew by Mercury three times.

    MESSENGER is getting several. It already got one from the Earth, and it will get two from Venus and three from Mercury.

    As to the ESA's upcoming Bepi Colombo mission, it will also be using gravity assists from the Earth, the Moon, and Mercury, though I have not been able to find many details on that. That may be why it is expected to take 4.5 years to travel to Mercury.

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    The APL website is somewhat unclear at the precise point of aphelion, but it appears that Messenger has reached it. Sometime in the last week of May, it should cross Earth orbit for the last time. It will cross Venus orbit in October close enough to the planet to slow it down the orbiter a bit.

    Edit: The APL website added a new orbit today, so I assume that, on 2 May 2006, it began falling back to the Sun.
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    Messenger - Solar Distance

    The Messenger probe to Mercury is currently further from the Sun than the Earth is. That however is about to change for the last time. In the next few days, Messenger's path will take it inside the Earth's orbit for a reverse-slingshot encounter with Venus (144 days from now) which will take energy from it's orbit and drop Messenger's perihelion significantly.

    Messenger is intended to be the first probe to orbit Mercury.
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    Messenger is crossing Earth orbit for the final time. After its encounter with Venus this fall, it will be permanently within Earth orbit.

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    Over the weekend, Messenger crossed the halfway point between Earth orbit and Venus orbit.

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    I wonder if the Mesenger cameras can be used to scan looking for asteroids with aphelions inside the Earth's orbit. We know very little about this population.
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    Anyone have any updates or link's to where i can find it's progress?

    NM googled and found http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/index.html

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    Happy Anniversary, MESSENGER!

    Today marks the second anniversary of MESSENGER's launch. "It's still more than four and a half years to Mercury Orbit Insertion in March 2011, and there are many milestones between now and then," says Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, who leads the mission as principal investigator. "But it's worth pausing for a few moments today to appreciate how far we've come."

    And just how far has the spacecraft traveled since its Aug. 3, 2004, launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla.? Nearly 1.2 billion miles. MESSENGER's computers have executed 180,271 commands since liftoff, a time interval that includes seven major trajectory correction maneuvers.
    Launch plus 2 years and still less than a third of the way enroute.
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    Any chance of MESSENGER seeing Vulcanoids?

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    Wow, barely a few hours back from my vacation and I notice a major milestone. Messenger is crossing Venus orbit today. It will be inside Venus' orbit until its encounter with the planet in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToSeek View Post
    It's got a very long flight to get to Mercury. APL seems to be specializing in missions requiring a lot of patience.

    That's the Delta II sounding rocket for you.

    50 yr.old R-7 places two tons more in orbit than that blue-painted stomp rocket.

    On the other hand, the Child of Energiya has already sent its Hail Mary to Pluto out past Ceres.

    "Oh, what a difference!" Sing it with me now.

    Dan Goldin's punishment in Hell:

    "I will not underspend on launch vehicles while overthinking payloads."
    "I will not listen to SFF, Bell or Cowing..."

    "Praise the Son of Zenit."

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    Messenger is at its closest approach to the Sun for this orbit. They have fired its manuevering rockets to slightly correct its course.

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    It is now four weeks until Messenger makes its first flyby of Venus. Prepare yourself for some spectacular images of mostly undifferentiated cloud-cover.
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    ^
    Maybe not. IIRC, Venus will be near conjunction; I've heard that little or no science will be done on this flyby. The next one is a different story, though.

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    This morning the countdown to Venus encounter dropped below 10 days. There will be no science done on this encounter. I'm not even sure they are taking any pictures.

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    They won't. Too risky.

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    Messenger is through 1/3 of its expected travel time to Mercury orbit insertion.

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