Hacked satellites - do you see the results ?

[Fortis]

Uh, huh. A transmitter can read thoughts. Your evidence for this is ... what? What are the technical details? Where is the real world hardware that can duplicate this amazing feat?

And would you happen to be under medical care?

You'll have to look at Pravda for that one. It's strange how Pravda wasn't "truth" during the cold war, and it still isn't "truth" today.

[cansouth]

How do you know that a hacker is responsible for this?

I know the hacker was at the policestation District San Blas in Madrid in Spain in June 2005. He talked to some police there. Maybe he talked about his hacking activity also.

How do you know that satellites are causing this?

Satellites reach large areas on the earth. I can see the effects on television programs from around the world.

How could satellites do this? This hacker would have to have discovered an amazing thing that no one else anywhere has even come vaguely close to accomplishing, not only is he a master biologist but he can also hack satellites without anyone at all noticing.

Yes, he is very intelligent.

How could he read minds? Even if the satellites send out signals the human mind isn't, or if it is it certainly isn't sending out signals that a satellite orbiting the Earth could receive.

The signals are so small and fine, so they go through more or less everything, in a very fast speed.

[SolusLupus]

I'm not a professional scientist, but this is a subject I find interesting so I do try to keep track of it. The short answer is: No. The things that can be done are much more limited and often require heavy equipment, invasive procedures and lots of cooperation by the subject.

For instance, you can get a rough idea of what areas of the brain are more active with a PET or FMRI scan:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/brain/scanning/pet.html

http://www.radiologyinfo.org/content/functional_mr.htm

There is some work on reading subvocalizations with training and surface sensors:

http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20

And you can put electrodes into the brain to move a robotic device much as you would your own arm:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6989239/

Personally, I'd love to have a non-vocal computer input system where I could "think" to a wearable computer, with earphones and possibly special glasses for computer output.

Yeah, but all of these procedures are modern day. Will it be possible to "develop" them, and increase their abilities in the future? Would it be possible to use a machine the size of a cell phone to "read" a mind? Or would it be impossible?

[SolusLupus]

I know the hacker was at the policestation District San Blas in Madrid in Spain in June 2005. He talked to some police there. Maybe he talked about his hacking activity also.

You know? How do you know? Also, saying, "I know he was at some place at some time" doesn't prove that he took over the satellites.

Satellites reach large areas on the earth. I can see the effects on television programs from around the world.

That doesn't mean that they can effect minds... Do you have any evidence that satellites are rigged for affecting the minds of animals or people?

[QUOTE=cansouth]Yes, he is very intelligent.[QUOTE]

And apparently, he's done things even teams of scientists can't do, and has an incredible amount of research, time, study, college, and work experience on his hands.

Also, apparently, he's so great, he can oppose all the governments across the world.


Man, Cansouth. Please learn how to TRY to be skeptical.

[Van Rijn]

Yeah, but all of these procedures are modern day. Will it be possible to "develop" them, and increase their abilities in the future? Would it be possible to use a machine the size of a cell phone to "read" a mind? Or would it be impossible?

You sure aren't going to get it with an EEG or MEG like that silly Pravda article suggested. That's like trying to pick out one voice in a crowded stadium. And you aren't going to detect anything at distance. Aside from reading subvocalizations with surface sensors, invasive procedures would be the way to go - electrode arrays, mostly. In the long run - several decades at least - you might be able to come up with more sophisticated invasive procedures with micro or nanomachines. Even with that, it isn't clear how well you could "read" a mind and it would probably require cooperation by the subject.

[Van Rijn]

How could he read minds? Even if the satellites send out signals the human mind isn't, or if it is it certainly isn't sending out signals that a satellite orbiting the Earth could receive.

The signals are so small and fine, so they go through more or less everything, in a very fast speed.

Are you suggesting that the brain is a powerful high frequency radio transmitter? What is the frequency of these signals?

And again: Where are the real world examples of this mind reading technology? Not, please, stories from web pages.

[SolusLupus]

You sure aren't going to get it with an EEG or MEG like that silly Pravda article suggested. That's like trying to pick out one voice in a crowded stadium. And you aren't going to detect anything at distance. Aside from reading subvocalizations with surface sensors, invasive procedures would be the way to go - electrode arrays, mostly. In the long run - several decades at least - you might be able to come up with more sophisticated invasive procedures with micro or nanomachines. Even with that, it isn't clear how well you could "read" a mind and it would probably require cooperation by the subject.

Thanks for the info. I was wondering at the use of a small radio used by a single person that's standing a few feet from the "victim", using concentration, to read surface thoughts. It's an idea I had for a character for a "near future" (like, half a century later) setting.

I don't pay this conspiracy theory any credence whatsoever, btw.

[Musashi]

Lonewulf, Modesitt has been using something similar in most of his SciFi. Cybernetics instead of a small radio and a bit more distant future though.

[SolusLupus]

Lonewulf, Modesitt has been using something similar in most of his SciFi. Cybernetics instead of a small radio and a bit more distant future though.

I was thinking that. Cybernetics inserted directly along the brain.

Most of my ideas have already been used. I'm still going to use them. I combine all my ideas into a complete whole, really.

I'm not looking into being "the first" in any of my stories. To do that would be impossible, IMO. Almost everything that was truly original without being trippy has been done before.

[montebianco]

These satellites are so useful...

http://www.chat11.com/Mammogram_By_Satellite

[Celestial Mechanic]

huh? So if some hacker can do this why hasn't CIA or some other such figured out how to use satellite signals to read minds... this would a lot more effective and quicker than illegal phone taps, and a lot easier to keep quiet.

I think it is considered to be unethical.

When did ethics ever prevent a technology from being used!!

Oh, BTW, thought-reading technology does not exist.

[cansouth]

When did ethics ever prevent a technology from being used!!

When governments are asked to finance it.

[Gillianren]

When governments are asked to finance it.

No, this one has to be a joke.

[SolusLupus]

No, this one has to be a joke.

Which? The Pravda article? The original post? Or the entire situation itself, in a rather figurative way?

[Musashi]

I was thinking that. Cybernetics inserted directly along the brain.

Most of my ideas have already been used. I'm still going to use them. I combine all my ideas into a complete whole, really.

I'm not looking into being "the first" in any of my stories. To do that would be impossible, IMO. Almost everything that was truly original without being trippy has been done before.

The way I meant it was more of a, "check his stuff out for ideas," kind of way.

[SolusLupus]

The way I meant it was more of a, "check his stuff out for ideas," kind of way.

Ahh, that's cool.

Thanks

[HenrikOlsen]

No, this one has to be a joke.

Which? The Pravda article? The original post? Or the entire situation itself, in a rather figurative way?

That it's ethics that stops the government from financing CIA work on mindcontrol satellites.

[mickal555]

If this is supposed to be seriose...

What's your evidence?

[Wolverine]

I'd like cansouth to provide some very specific evidence to substantiate the numerous claims being made in this thread.

[Swift]

When did ethics ever prevent a technology from being used!!

When governments are asked to finance it.

Wow! Why don't I use that argument over in the WTC/thermite conspriacy thread? The government would never have done it because it won't be nice.

[GDwarf]

Cansouth, you're reason that the hacker can do all this is, apparently, because he is really smart. That's fine, he may be, but then why are all the other scientists with full laboratories and millions of dollars in funding nowhere close to doing anything even vaguely similar to this, even at very short ranges? you expect us to believe that one man can out think hundreds of others, even when those hundreds have more money, far better working conditions, and help each other out?

You still didn't answer how he can read people's thoughts, ever signal has a maximum range, the idea that our brains would waste energy by sending out a signal that can be read from hundreds of miles away strikes me as just plain silly.

[Nicolas]

The victims did not consciously decide to make the motions, so their brain sees them as disturbances. The motions would be stopped by intrinsic and reflexive feedback loops of the victims. Unless somehow the idea that they had to make this movement would have been beamed into their brain.

The movements which have increased, are normal and natural movements. So persons can have an increase of these movements without noticing it.

That simply does not matter for the part you quoted. The movements you describe belong to the conscious part, no matter how normal they are. That means that any motion belonging to this movement that wasn't consciously commanded by the brains is seen as a disturbance and counteracted by your body's feedback.

So the only way to make this conspiracy work is when the signal generates a conscious command in your brains as I explained. Of course we all make conscious motions without really noticing it (like mild tics), but anyway it is necessary for the signal to generate the command in your brains.

[Nicolas]

Why is it these cockamamie ideas always seem to hinge on the use of the word "intrinsic" somewhere?

Its getting to be like "hyperdimensional", when I see it in a woo-woo thread, my stomach starts churning and my eyes cross.

I was the one using the word "intrinsic" when I explained that this conspiracy can only "work" if the signal generates a conscious (whether we actively notice it or not, conscious anyway) command in our brains (the part in the skull, not the spinal cord). If such a command would not be generated by the signal, our body would stop the motion.

"intrinsic feedback" is a standard term in biomechanics.

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[Gullible Jones]

My my. Bush and "Greater Israel"? You been readin's too much Illuminati conspiracy stuff, Cansouth.

But there's something here I don't get... Why would a malicious satellite hacker want to make people rub their faces? What on earth would that accomplish?

[Wolverine]

BTW, since it's become apparent that the OP isn't joking, this should probably be in the Conspiracy Theories section. Moved.

[Candy]

But there's something here I don't get... Why would a malicious satellite hacker want to make people rub their faces? What on earth would that accomplish?

It's a hacker fettish. Virus and Worms are no longer fun.

[SolusLupus]

But there's something here I don't get... Why would a malicious satellite hacker want to make people rub their faces? What on earth would that accomplish?

To play the Devil's Avocado again, it seems to me that he's claiming that the motions of scratching your face and stuff is more a "side effect" of another, much larger effect, and the face-pawing is more of a "symptom" than a cause.

That's just my interpretation. Hard to say what the heck Cansouth is saying.

[cansouth]

And apparently, he's done things even teams of scientists can't do, and has an incredible amount of research, time, study, college, and work experience on his hands.

Cansouth, you're reason that the hacker can do all this is, apparently, because he is really smart. That's fine, he may be, but then why are all the other scientists with full laboratories and millions of dollars in funding nowhere close to doing anything even vaguely similar to this, even at very short ranges? you expect us to believe that one man can out think hundreds of others, even when those hundreds have more money, far better working conditions, and help each other out?

"Teams of scientists" will normally not get much financial support to develope a science which should be about sending signals inside peoples brains, to make them move differently, especial not by satellite use. Because people, also politicians and scientists, would consider it to be unethical.

Maybe "teams of scientists" could technically do the same as the hacker, but it is unethical to control the movements of other people by sending beams inside their brains.

The hacker has probably worked a lot to be able to do what he does.

Are you suggesting that the brain is a powerful high frequency radio transmitter? What is the frequency of these signals?

I dont know. I dont know if it is a question of frequency, but more a question of what kind of beams(signals) he sends. The beams are so small and fine.

And again: Where are the real world examples of this mind reading technology? Not, please, stories from web pages.

"The real world examples" happen all the time in "the real world". You can try to observe them. It is especially easy to observe them on television, I think. But of course it is possible to observe them without tv also.

I'd like cansouth to provide some very specific evidence to substantiate the numerous claims being made in this thread.

I try to find people who can observe the increase which the illegal satellite beams cause. If some of you can observe the increase in eye blinking, staccato movements and the hand movements, you can report it to the police and governments. Several governments know about the allegations, but it seems they dont believe in it. Maybe those who work in the police and governments react more or less like some people react in forums on the internet.

You still didn't answer how he can read people's thoughts, ever signal has a maximum range, the idea that our brains would waste energy by sending out a signal that can be read from hundreds of miles away strikes me as just plain silly.

These beams (signals) are very special. I dont know what kind of beams. I am not a tecnical expert. BUt the signals are probably extremely fine.

But there's something here I don't get... Why would a malicious satellite hacker want to make people rub their faces?

I think he consider it to be a kind of art.

[cansouth]

It's a hacker fettish.

Something like that. Or a kind of art.