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At my college, you could make arrangements to rent an entire "room"--in reality, a multi-bedroom apartment--from housing directly. You could then have whoever you wanted living in it, presumably unto not having anyone but yourself, if you could afford it. This included co-ed rooming situations.
Actually, I had a roommate who kind of moved her boyfriend in with us. It's one of the reasons we got housing to make her move out.
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Inmates come to aid of guard in jail attack.
The set up is one guard, age 64, gets hit and choked by an inmate, age 24. Seconds later, four other inmates rush in and beat down the first one, then one grabs the radio and calls for more guards to come in.
There is video for the attack from start to near the finish, as well as an interview with the guy quoted above. but it's got an ad that plays first.Col. James Previtera, commander of Hillsborough County's Department of Detention Services, told reporters he believed that the inmates "saved the deputy's life."
"The response of the inmates in this case, I think, speaks volumes as to the fact that we treat these men and women ... in our facilities with a lot of respect," Previtera said.
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It's not really any more violent than a football fumble recovery, except for one bit that looks like something out of a Popeye cartoon. Just past the 30 second mark, the first inmate to arrive on the scene hits the attacker with what could only be described as a crushing right hand.
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That is interesting, Tog, considering the rescuers were all accused of violent crimes. There wasn't a whole lot of time between the start of the initial attack and the intervention, so I wouldn't go as far as to speculate that the rescue was planned in hopes of using it in their trial, but I do wonder if it will have any effect on sentencing.
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That might actually have been to the guard's advantage, since they're there for acting physically in a situation, which is exactly what they did here.Originally Posted by closetgeek
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Often, violent offenders committed crimes that were specific to their situation. They assaulted someone during a robbery. They beat a cheating spouse. They killed a rival gang member. Etc. But they had a reason to kill or assault. They're locked up because of their potential for violence, but that doesn't mean they necessarily want to hurt or kill everyone at every chance they get.
Now, there are examples of those people too. But they're much less common. And it does speak volumes that these inmates would think "hey, we don't want to hurt this guard, even though we could."
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I will also note that defending a guard may not necessarily have been the prime motivation, though I do believe it was. On the other hand, it would not be unreasonable to suggest that the person beating up the guard was from one gang and the people defending him were from another.
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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"
"You can't erase icing."
"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
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The guy that called on the radio almost certainly had the guard's welfare in mind. I think they all did. The four that originally came in were joined by another half dozen or so by the end.
I think it was pretty much what the guy giving the interview said. He was a good guy and most of the inmates liked him. Based only on their photos, I doubt that all four were in the same gang. There were four different ethnic groups represented, and possibly a 30 year span in ages.
The part I really don't get is how there were that many inmates with unrestricted access to a single guard.
Actually two parts. I don't get the choke hold bit. I mean I understand the mechanics of it. I've used it. What I don't get is why the attacker chose to use it.
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The tricky question is, do you reward those who came to the guard's aid? I don't mean commute their sentences or anything. But maybe extra meals or something? As the guard, I'd say heck yes! Thank you, here's some beer! But wouldn't you then be reinforcing a tendency towards using violence? Sure, it may have been a reasonable response to this situation. But would rewarding it be sufficiently different as to not also reinforce just an overall tendency towards violence?
Or does it matter? Is it the prison's job to care about such things?
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Unfortunately, that's just the way it is. I've known my share of prison guards from all sorts of detention facilities. High risk. Low risk. Men's. Women's. Adult. Juvie. Inmates, of course, will always out number the guards. But it's also pretty uniformly true that there will always be situations where guards and inmates are standing in the same room, and the guards are very much out numbered.
Funnily enough; with all the different guards I've talked to, they've all agreed that they'd much rather work in adult prisons. With these types of criminals, you have this type of "criminal justice" among the prison culture. Honor among thieves extends to other types of offenders as well.
With juvie facilities, however, you're dealing with kids, who still have the idea that they are above "the law" and that no one can tell them what to do. This creates much more adversity in the guard/prisoner relationship.
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An inmate attacking a guard, that's already an indication he's not entirely rational in the moment.
Perhaps he went with what works on TV?
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The age span does not eliminate the possibility of a gang, but the ethnic group part generally does. Anyway, thank you for the additional information. Good for them, then.
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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"
"You can't erase icing."
"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
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Not AS strange as you might think. A friend of mine who is a guard at Death Row in Louisville has a good relationship with his prisoners, to the point of feeling bad when one is executed (even though he's pro death penalty--still feelings is feelings). I suspect prisoners would help him in a bad moment.
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Of course, there are rewards in prison that don't reach the level of "let them go"--restored privileges, or buy them beers even.
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Given some of the strange things that prosecutors have done recently, I wouldn't be too shocked if the rescuers were charged with assaulting the choker.
That's only slightly sarcastic.
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I wasn't saying that there weren't such rewards, the question was should you use such rewards?
I mean, on a developmental level, "You're in here for hurting someone! Here's some beers for beating up someone!" can be a mixed signal.
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Order of the Stick from last week seems oddly relevant...
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Haha, exactly.
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The same thought crossed my mind, as a "good criminal, bad criminal" ploy.
Maybe, but in this case, I'm betting it was real.
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This looks like it might be the start of a "worlds worst driver" candidate.
Woman passes driver's test on 950th try
60 needed out of 100 for the written test.
I can't wait to find out about the driving test.
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So... How much is urine on the black market?
Baffling Logan Caper: Who Stole the Urine?
"It was all quite shocking. I've worked for the health department here for 13 years and nothing like this has ever happened before," department spokeswoman Jill Parker said Wednesday. "Nothing else was touched, just the samples."
That meant that the thief or thieves ignored expensive computer equipment and office supplies in the same room in an apparent laser-like focus on 17 cups of cold urine. The samples generally are sought for drug-testing purposes, Parker said.
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I would seriously look at the 17 people that had to re-test. I'm thinking that one of them knew they we're not going to pass their drug test and had to have it 'taken care of'.
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Agreed.
The mystery writer in me has some other ideas though. The problem is, our local paper is really bad at following through on odd stuff like this. We'll probably never get the full story.
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On that idea stream.. I wonder if some of the sample were left behind. Maybe check those samples for tampering......
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We have a forum for strange news at the DrabbleCast
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Well sir, we have determined that you are pregnant.
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Canadian charged with sham witchcraft
Apparently sham witchcraft, claiming to be a witch in order to commit fraud, is an actual criminal offense in Canada.
Doubt such a law could be passed today, psychics, tarot card readers etc would claim to be intentionally targeted.The bogus witching law was enacted in 1892 when witchcraft was no longer a punishable offense in Canada, but fears persisted that it could be used as a cover for fraud.
It makes it illegal for anyone to fraudulently pretend to exercise witchcraft or sorcery or enchantment.
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Well, if they do it with the intent to commit fraud they ought to be targeted.
Or stuffed in a bag and hit with sticks.
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I'm not sure if the news itself is strange because we all know what happens with hacks, but the reaction to it is questionable.
Porn video on highway billboard shocks drivers
So, they were so shocked that they had to get out of there...Late-night traffic on one of the Russian capital's busiest roads slowed Thursday as a couple's explicit escapades appeared on the 9-by-6-meter display.
Oh; right, they slowed down to watch.
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Floor caves under Weight Watchers weigh-in
As a Weight Watchers group gathered for a routine weigh-in, the dieters got an idea of how far they still had to go: The floor underneath them collapsed, a Swedish newspaper reports.
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I think that the prisoners aren't the complete idiots you make them out to be. I'm pretty sure they're capable of discerning one situation from another.
Yes, yes, I know. Anyone in prison is probably a moron. Except, not really.
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