How many forum members to change a lightbulb?

[Sticks]

See this forum

I wonder how true that would be here?

[Metricyard]

Danger!!! After opening up the link provided above, it decided to open about 20 pages of itself and others. Be Forwarned.!!!

[Wolverine]

It didn't do that to me (yay for Firefox).

Here I suspect these additions would be required:

• 10 to claim the lightbulb's luminosity doesn't match observations
• 19 to suggest Ohm's Law is wrong
• 4 to claim a conspiracy was responsible for the old one burning out
• 94 to debunk the above claims

[Metricyard]

It didn't do that to me (yay for Firefox).

Here I suspect these additions would be required:

• 10 to claim the lightbulb's luminosity doesn't match observations
• 19 to suggest Ohm's Law is wrong
• 4 to claim a conspiracy was responsible for the old one burning out
• 94 to debunk the above claims

I'm using Firefox myself. Just downloaded version 1.5 a few days ago.
I'll recheck the link and see what happens.

And to stay on topic
5 to claim that the light bulb is too complex to be created without an intelligent design.

Edit to add:
Yep. I just went back over there, and it didn't happen. Sorry about that. Chalk it up to gremlins. Or a stuck key. Too many coffee/cigarette spills in the keyboard?

[Lance]

At least one person would claim:

If the light bulb is on but there is no one to see it, then it is dark for all practical purposes.

[teri tait]

Light bulbs...eek, I'm so afraid of those! (Runs screaming from the room...'lectricity costs money...oooh, the humanity...)

Funny humourous electrical discharge, light magically comes on for fussy science geebs...

[Joff]

SO we have the original list:

• 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed
• 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently
• 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
• 1 to move it to the Lighting section
• 2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section
• 7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs
• 5 to flame the spell checkers
• 3 to correct spelling/grammar flames
• 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid
• 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
• 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct
• 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum
• 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum
• 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty
• 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs
• 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's
• 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group
• 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"
• 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
• 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
• 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"
• 1 to hijack the thread and ask how to change the horn
• 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

Sticks' addition:

• 1 to question why we had to change the bulb in the first place

Wolverine's additions:

• 10 to claim the lightbulb's luminosity doesn't match observations
• 19 to suggest Ohm's Law is wrong
• 4 to claim a conspiracy was responsible for the old one burning out
• 94 to debunk the above claims

Lance:

• 1 to claim that if the light bulb is on but there is no one to see it, then it is dark for all practical purposes.

and I suggest

• 8 to reminisce about how good the old light bulb was

[tmosher]

...you forgot to add:

One to claim that the lightbulb was last changed 3,657 years ago.

[Monique]

Actually is trick question. Lightbulb cannot be changed.

BAUT split between electricity believers and ATM posters who do not. Debate go on for pages in deadlock. Lightbulb forgotten.

[Stregone]

And to stay on topic
5 to claim that the light bulb is too complex to be created without an intelligent design.

I think more than 5 of us would agree that a light bulb was created by an intelligent designer

[Nereid]

1 (?!?) to ask how you can change a lightbulb without maths, numbers, equations, and stuff
2 to demand that at least an OOM set of estimates concerning the changing of lightbulbs be provided
3 to quote Einstein, to the effect that if you have imagination, lightbulbs are not necessary
4 to ask for a reference to where, when, why, how, (etc) Einstein said that
5 to get huffy, and re-iterate that this is a forum for the discussion of how lightbulbs can be changed (or, possibly, whether lightbulbs exist), not what Einstein did or didn't say about lightbulbs
6 will be incensed by the clearly unwarranted attack upon a) Einstein, b) lightbulbs, c) Einstein's lightbulbs, d) Lightbulb's einsteins
7 will introduce dozens of links to the works of Hannes Alfvén, with an introduction to the effect that lightbulbs cannot be understood, much less changed, unless His Works Are Fully Incorporated Into Mainstream Lightbulb Changing

(to be continued)

[Monique]

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5 to get huffy, and re-iterate that this is a forum for the discussion of how lightbulbs can be changed (or, possibly, whether lightbulbs exist), not what Einstein did or didn't say about lightbulbs
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Is more to science than Einstein. He was intelligent man, but we know much more about lightbulbs today than when Einstein live!!!

Sorry, I cannot not resist.

[jkmccrann]

Quite a few I'd imagination. Is it a communal light bulb? Or one in a more privileged location? I'll think about it and get back to you guys when I've had a decent think about it!

[Celestial Mechanic]

Let's see now, how about:

2 to say that the ladder will come crashing down because we haven't taken variable G and masses into account;

1 to say that a couple of old quotes from Hoyle and some old paper of Barbour and Bertotti proves that we should hold the lightbulb still and wait for the Universe to turn the room around;

1 to say don't bother waiting for the Universe to turn the room around because the Universe does not exist. (And he's written books proving it doesn't!);

1 to say that Kuhn and Popper have shown lightbulbs to be falsifiable and to suggest that maybe it's time for a paradigm shift;

1 to say he only wants a critique of his paper on changing lightbulbs that shows a "flaw" in Maxwellian electromagnetism (but don't worry, he has a "fix" for that!) and that we shouldn't use any math or physics that he doesn't understand because it is not relevant to his paper. (Which only uses this stuff "implicitly" if at all);

And finally:
1 to have "dialogues" with two of his imaginary friends on the proper changing of lightbulbs (now who could that be? )

Any resemblance to actual posters to this board is purely intentional and true!

[sarongsong]

The lights are out?

[LurchGS]

2 to say that the lightbulb is proof that Einstein is wrong
1 to posit that lightbulps are figments of our imaginations
5 to argue over what the wattage of the lightbulb proves about cosmology
1 to compose a list of what various forum members have said about changing lighbulbs
14 to invent totally spurrious additions to that list

[mugaliens]

Make that 15.

11 To argue the difference between light output and black body radiation.
3 To link to Wikipedia, throwing out fancy-sounding terms like "Wein's Law."
5 To note correct spelling is Wien's, not Wein's.
2 To ask what black body radiation has to do with lightbulbs
7 To answer the question
1 To provide this cool link: http://www.x20.org/library/thermal/blackbody.htm

[TheBlackCat]

1 to post a link to a website with some fantastic new information on lightbulbs, which happens to be selling a device based on this information that when placed near your lightbulb for 30 seconds will cause it to never burn out
3 to read the site in detail and point out all the ways it was wrong
5 to correct the minor mistakes in the critique of the website
8 to correct those corrections
13 to correct those corrections
21 to correct those corrections
...et cetera
3 to defend the website
26 to explain how those three were wrong
6 to post links to various website that have already explained how that website is wrong
2 to post collections of extremely stupid statements made on the website
1 to post a link to parody version of the website
4 to buy T-shirts from the parody website
2 to talk about wanting to buy a T-shirt but not being able to decide which one
3 to post stories about what happened to people who tried to have the website shut down
5 to discuss the legal and ethical issues related to shutting down the website
1 to say that trying to shut down the website is simply more evidence that the scientific establishment want to stifle scientific creativity, and that it doesn't matter that the website is wrong and that the stuff they are selling fraudulent because scientists need to be more open-minded to alternative ideas
15 to explain very politely that scientists are open minded, the website is simply a scam
4 to explain that same thing but not so quite so politely
1 to warn those four to be polite or else
3 to post the quote about not being so open-minded your brains fall out without noticing that it has already been posted
18 to ask that the 3 people in favor of the website stop dodging their questions and give some real evidence
6 to get fed up with the topic, either privately decide or publicly declare that they will stop posting in it, but continue to post in it anyway because it is too addictive to stop
1 to start a spin-off topic the is, for all practical purposes, identical to the original topic, and contains the small amount of evidence in favor of the website but completely ignores the massive amount of evidence opposing it

Wash, rinse, repeat

I am not referring to anyone in particular with these, I have been in most of these categories myself at one point or another.

[Sticks]

1 to suggest that instead of using a light bulb, we should switch to low energy light bulbs
2 to suggest a form of flourescent tube
4 debate the relative merits of low energy light bulbs verses flourescent tubes
3 debate the relative meris of low energy light bulbs versus standard light bulbs
2 get banned for hurling abuse at each other when discussing normal light bulbs versus low energy light bulbs
1 to post this link to the BBC News site

[mugaliens]

1 to suggest LED lights instead of flourescent.
1 to post the reasons as to why sticking with flourscent for homes is a better idea

just bought a Lumistar-LED based flashlight, sporting one of the most efficient 'white' bulbs out there. 35 lumens from a single watt of power.

Putting that into perspective ...

100 watt incadescent [american - it makes a difference!] gives about 1700 lumens. 17 lumens/watt.

40 watt fluorescent tube ["standard"} gives about 1700 lumens, 45 lumens/watt.

A good 1000 watt metal-halide high pressure discharge bulb tosses out some 120,000 lumens (initially) ... or 120 lumen/watt.

Absolutely top-top light sources can achieve 150 lumen/watt.

Theoretical max is about 350 l/w

[R.A.F.]

I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet, but would those be dial-up forum members or broadband forum members...or a combination of both??

[darkhunter]

Either:

1 to point out the light switch was off and the bulb was indeed good to start with

or

1 to turn the light switch off so they could see the stars....

[Wolverine]

3 to argue that the lightbulb could be changed more safely and efficiently robotically than via humans

[Lance]

2 to argue the light bulb didn't actually burn out. The filament was destroyed as part of an Illuminati Conspiracy to boost light bulb sales from a Haliburton subsidiary. (And this would, of course, be true.)

[galacsi]

1 to suggest that instead of using a light bulb, we should switch to low energy light bulbs
2 to suggest a form of flourescent tube
4 debate the relative merits of low energy light bulbs verses flourescent tubes
3 debate the relative meris of low energy light bulbs versus standard light bulbs
2 get banned for hurling abuse at each other when discussing normal light bulbs versus low energy light bulbs
1 to post this link to the BBC News site

STICKS : you were faster than me !

So my addition is 1 post :

If you don't build Nuclear power stations you will not have to change light bulbs , you will use candles !

( I prefer low energy light bulb !)

[Gemini]

and one to bombard the others with lots and lots of commas

[Van Rijn]

(Hopefully I've avoided duplicates, it is getting hard)

1 to argue that HLs (Heavy Ladders) are the only proper way to reach light bulbs.

3 to argue that light bulbs should only be changed by a government agency.

3 more to argue that they should only be changed by private industry.

5 to respond that they both have their place and ask what all the fuss is about.

2 to debate wearable light amplifiers versus light bulbs.

1 to argue the "iron bulb" hypothesis.

3 to present images of the bulb as proof of alternate bulb physics.

1 to show incomprehensible diagrams that purport to demonstrate a universal bulb changing technique.

1 to state that the bulb is the center of the universe.

2 to say that Fermi proved that lightbulbs don't exist.

1 to ask if anyone can prove that invisible elves don't change lightbulbs.

[LurchGS]

1 to suggest that a TV is more efficiant than a lightbuld anyway, because not only does it illuminate the room, it heats it, AND provides entertainment.
3 to stand back in stunned admiration at the above
4 to point out that if elves are invisible, it doesn't matter if they exist or not- they can't see via visible light. The question is: does the back yard exist?

[Swift]

7 to complain about the fact that we changed the light bulb three years ago and they are not going to change it again
3 to argue that they weren't around when the light bulb was first changed and they are glad someone changed it so they can enjoy it
6 to block all postings from people who propose re-changing old light bulbs
11 to complain about the lack of respect they are getting for proposing changing the bulb
3 to post that the complainers are not reading what they are posting and are misunderstanding it
4 moderators to warn everyone that electricity will be taken away if people don't behave them selves

[Celestial Mechanic]

[Snip!]1 to argue the "iron bulb" hypothesis.
[Snip!]1 to show incomprehensible diagrams that purport to demonstrate a universal bulb changing technique.[Snip!]

How could I forget those two?

Here's a few more:

2 or 3 to say that we must consult ancient mythologies on the proper way to change lightbulbs;

and of course:
1 to say that we must consult rugs on the proper way to change lightbulbs; (to which we all say "Just say NO to rugs!!!")

and don't forget:
1 to say that critical thinking and continuing education can change our lightbulbs for us!

All for this time!