I Will Prove The Moon Landings Were Hoaxed

[Moon Man]

Ask one of the experts to explain the tempatures in vaccuum to you. I'm not an expert.

But you told us expertise wasn't necessary in order to answer questions relating to Apollo's authenticity. Now you're telling us expertise is necessary, and further that you don't have it.

Which is the case?

I've already answered her. You're an expert please explain it to her. Thank you.

[Peter B]

G'day Moon Man

When are you going to explain to us how Russian and Chinese spacecraft return to Earth?

[JayUtah]

It is a immediate response to Hostons question to say again. The funny part is Houston say; this is Houston, say again...Ha!

No, it is not an immediate response; in the primary record it occurs several seconds after Houston's call for a repeat. The delay is, in fact, so long that secondary sources routinely compress it.

The primary record contains more information as well: between Houston's call for a repeat and the second transmission reporting a problem, there is a bleed-over from the intercom system. The astronauts used the same headsets to talk to each other over the intercom as they did to talk over the radio to Houston. The diodes in the switching circuits sometimes leak, causing distorted versions of the intercom conversations to be sent back on the radio. Not only did commander Lovell have plenty of time between Houston's call and his response, we can tell that he was actually engaged in local conversation with his crewmates during the delay.

[paulie jay]

I've already answered her. You're an expert please explain it to her. Thank you.

No Moon Man, I already know the answer - I am asking you WHY you think that being in a vacuum would make a difference.

Pease answer directly.


And I'm not a "her" by the way.

[Moon Man]

On Putfile press browse, find the file on your computer and press Upload Media. Copy&paste given url here.

It won't upload. My computer has AIDS and that maybe why. Can I do the same thing using http://www.imageshack.us

..?

Imageshack works for me.

[JayUtah]

I've already answered her. You're an expert please explain it to her.

But you haven't answered me.

Your approach to the requirement of expertise is inconsistent. When you are required to come up with detailed answers, you say you can't because you're not an expert. This implies that expertise is required in order to speak with authority. But earlier you said that expertise was not required in order to drawn authoritative conclusions on these various questions.

Which is the case? Is expertise required or not?

[Moon Man]

No Moon Man, I already know the answer - I am asking you WHY you think that being in a vacuum would make a difference.

Pease answer directly.


And I'm not a "her" by the way.

Sorry I thought you were a female. If you know the answer why ask..?

Don't answer this question because I'm not going to answer you. I'm trying to get caught up. It's as impossible as NASA landing on the moon..Ha!

[JayUtah]

The dude who is really corrupt is Rumsfelt. He helped pull off Apollo...

Dark Side of the Moon is itself a hoax -- admitted cheerfully by its director.

[JMV]

Look what I found:
http://www.arts-letters.com/apollo13/audio.html
There's lot of guys talking in there. EECOM, CAPCOM and others.

[paulie jay]

Sorry I thought you were a female. If you know the answer why ask..?

Don't answer this question because I'm not going to answer you. I'm trying to get caught up. It's as impossible as NASA landing on the moon..Ha!

Oh brother. I'm asking you this:

Why do you believe that temperature behaves differently in a vacuum?


It's a simple request. I'm not asking you to do any complicated reading or mathematics - I'm asking you WHY is it that you believe something to be true.


Do not ignore this question Moon Man - it would be the height of rudeness.


edited - swapped the word "think" for "believe"

[JMV]

Then there is this
http://www.engineering.sdstate.edu/~...es/problem.wav
Can you hear the background music? Obviously edited for dramatic effect.

[jojo180]

Being new here I was hopeful moon man was going to put forward a valid argument as his first post seemed quite positive, how wrong I have been it has not all been a total waste of my time as I have enjoyed watching you guys in action .
Goodnight people it has been a pleasure

[Moon Man]

Yes it does. Do you think that the equipment used in the 1970s was developed and built in 6 months or something? There were years of painstaking development and trials leading up to the moon missions. And these missions carried much greater risks than people are prepared to accept these days. Development and an assurance of safety does not happen overnight. What's more, today's technology was not built with moon missions in mind. It was never possible to get a shuttle to the moon - you may as well try flying the Atlantic with a box kite. How long do you think that it would take to develop, test and ready a rocket/ lander/ orbiter for a moon mission? Give your answer in years and reasons why.

Maybe not - but how does this prove that we never went in the past. We are unlikely to see a second Great Wall built in China - does that mean that the current one was never built?

NASA couldn't get off the launch pad in 67 and you flew around the moon a year later. A year later NASA landed on the moon. If it were all true they would've test flown the lander in space in 68. The lander was never tested. You built all of your apollo equipment without the aid of CAD, because it never existed at the time. NASA used a slide ruler. You pulled off all of this stuff 3 years before the pocket calculator was even available.

How long would it take to refit the shuttle to fly around the moon if it was really doable..?

I say 3 years.


Why haven't they sent a probe to take pics of the Apollo junk left on the moon..?


Because there is nothing to take a pic of, that's why.

However, Japan is sending a probe up in 2006. I bet they blackmail American. I expect a big US-Japan trade deal or something soon to happen in order to keep them from sending it or keeping the results a secret.

[paulie jay]

Why do you continue to ignore my question? I don’t want you to prove anything, I merely want to know why you believe that a vacuum makes a difference to temperature.

You insist on avoiding this question – all I’m asking for is an opinion. Please answer.

You could get off the launch pad in 67 and you flew around the moon a year later. A year later you landed on the moon. If it were all true they would've test flown the lander in space in 68. The lander was never tested. You build all of your apoolo equipment without the aid of CAD, because it never existed at the time. You pulled off all of this stuff 3 years before the pocket calculator was even available.

Why did they need CAD? Ever heard of paper and pencil? That's how it was done. Why do you think that they needed pocket claculators? They had computers and BRAINS. Moon man, you really seem to be showing your youth if you think that the only way to do complex things is with computers.

And please don't say "you" when you are refering to the space program- I don't work for NASA and I'm not an American.

How long would it take to refit the shuttle to fly around the moon if it was really doable..?

I say 3 years.

It has already been stated on several occasions that the shuttle can not fly to the moon. It was never designed to do it. I repeat - it can't do it. Why do you believe that it can?

Why haven't they sent a probe to take pics of the Apollo junk left on the moon..?

Why should they?


edited to add - Even for a hoax believer this is real kindergarten stuff.

[Hamlet]

You could get off the launch pad in 67 and you flew around the moon a year later. A year later you landed on the moon. If it were all true they would've test flown the lander in space in 68. The lander was never tested.

You're not shy about promoting your ignorance are you? The LM was tested in Earth orbit during Apollo 9 and around the Moon during Apollo 10. This kind of information is so trivial to acquire, why can't you seem to find it?

You build all of your apoolo equipment without the aid of CAD, because it never existed at the time. You pulled off all of this stuff 3 years before the pocket calculator was even available.

Why is CAD required? Have you ever heard of a sliderule?

How long would it take to refit the shuttle to fly around the moon if it was really doable..?

I say 3 years.

This number is based on your vast experience in spacecraft design?

Why haven't they sent a probe to take pics of the Apollo junk left on the moon..?


Because there is nothing to take a pic of, that's why.

Why would you waste resources to take pictures of events that already have overwhelming evidence?

[Peter B]

Moon Man said:

You could get off the launch pad in 67 and you flew around the moon a year later. A year later you landed on the moon. If it were all true they would've test flown the lander in space in 68.

They did. Apollo 5 tested the lunar module unmanned in orbit around the Earth in 1968.

The lander was never tested.

See above.

You build all of your apoolo equipment without the aid of CAD, because it never existed at the time. You pulled off all of this stuff 3 years before the pocket calculator was even available.

All sorts of things were designed and built without CAD and pocket calculators. From a design point of view, why was it necessary for anything to do with Apollo?

How long would it take to refit the shuttle to fly around the moon if it was really doable..?

It's not doable. The Shuttle was never designed to go to the Moon, and more than an oil tanker is designed to take paying passengers.

I say 3 years.

I say a lot more than that. An entirely new vehicle would be required.

Why haven't they sent a probe to take pics of the Apollo junk left on the moon..?

Why should they? To satisfy you? Anyway, NASA will be sending a spacecraft to the Moon in a couple of years, and it should be able to image the larger things left on the surface of the Moon.

Because there is nothing to take a pic of, that's why.

What will you say when these images appear? That they were faked? Or that NASA sent stuff to the Moon to make it look like they were there?

Moon Man, please understand you've said nothing which people at this board haven't heard many times. We've asked you to answer a number of questions which go to the heart of this matter, so we'd appreciate your answers.

Cheers

[Peter B]

Hamlet and Paulie Jay

I think we made a nice trifecta there. :-)

[Moon Man]

Why do you continue to ignore my question? I don’t want you to prove anything, I merely want to know why you believe that a vacuum makes a difference to temperature.

You insist on avoiding this question – all I’m asking for is an opinion. Please answer.

Why did they need CAD? Ever heard of paper and pencil? That's how it was done. Why do you think that they needed pocket claculators? They had computers and BRAINS. Moon man, you really seem to be showing your youth if you think that the only way to do complex things is with computers.

And please don't say "you" when you are refering to the space program- I don't work for NASA and I'm not an American.



It has already been stated on several occasions that the shuttle can not fly tothe moon. It was never designed to do it. I repeat - it can't do it. Why do you believe that it can?


Why should they?


edited to add - Even for a hoax believer this is real kindergarten stuff.

I've edited the you. I noticed that before you posted. NASA never had computers on board. The chip was not even invented back then. They didn't need a calculator, I said you did all this amazing stuff BEFORE the pocket calculator was invented. I don't know why temps operator differently in a vaccum but they do. Stop asking the same question over and over or I won't answer anymore of your questions. You said you know the answer anyway.

Why can't the shuttle fly to the moon..?

The same reason Apollo couldn't. The van allen belt.

[Moon Man]

Have you ever stopped to think about how many photos were taken on each mission..?

Have you ever done the math on how many pictures were taken every minute..?

The numbers are laughable.

[V-GER]

The same reason Apollo couldn't. The van allen belt.

Now there's something we've never heard before...

[V-GER]

Have you ever stopped to think about how many photos were taken on each mission..?

Have you ever done the math on how many pictures were taken every minute..?

The numbers are laughable.

Enlighten us, please! Show us the math!

[peter eldergill]

I don't know why temps operator differently in a vaccum but they do.

This is turning into a really sad thread....

Why can't the shuttle fly to the moon..?

The same reason Apollo couldn't. The van allen belt.
Reply With Quote

This is even worse. Do a little bit of reading. This one is on Phil's website....

When are you going to stop wasting everyones time? I'm watching this thread like a car crash...I can't help turning away...

L8R

Pete

[Hamlet]

The chip was not even invented back then.

Wrong again. Integrated circuits were available in the early 60's and the development of the Apollo Guidance Computer help drive the maturation of the technology.

I don't know why temps operator differently in a vaccum but they do. Stop asking the same question over and over or I won't answer anymore of your questions. You said you know the answer anyway.

You don't know why things work the way they do, but you're sure they support you speculations? What we would like from you is how any of this is relevant.

Why can't the shuttle fly to the moon..?

Quite simple. It wasn't designed to go to the Moon.

The same reason Apollo couldn't. The van allen belt.

I was wondering how long it would take until the poor Van Allen belts got dragged into this. So now that you have brought this up, please explain why they are so impenetrable.

[Bob B.]

I just got home from work and listened to a copy of the Apollo 13 "Houston, we've had a problem" recording. My copy is dated 1994 and it has about a five second delay between the CAPCOM's request for a repeat and Lovell's reply. This pretty much destroys Moon Man's theory that the long delay was added by NASA post-1998.

[AGN Fuel]

Moon man, if you are a lawyer as you say, I'm afraid you make Lionel Hutz look like Clarence Darrow. Where on Earth did you learn to present an argument??

[Moon Man]

Wrong again. Integrated circuits were available in the early 60's and the development of the Apollo Guidance Computer help drive the maturation of the technology.

You don't know why things work the way they do, but you're sure they support you speculations? What we would like from you is how any of this is relevant.

Quite simple. It wasn't designed to go to the Moon.

I was wondering how long it would take until the poor Van Allen belts got dragged into this. So now that you have brought this up, please explain why they are so impenetrable.

The belts are the reason you can't go to the moon. Someone asked. I answered. You don't go 250,000 miles in space and then decide that you're now only going to go 220 miles for the next 40 years, which is all NASA has done.

You've all been own3d, not by me, by NASA.

[Frantic Freddie]

Hey y'all,I think Moon Man's postin' from a rubber room somewhere

[peter eldergill]

Bob, that won't make a difference to MM, he's decided not to listen to anyone here

Pete

[Moon Man]

I just got home from work and listened to a copy of the Apollo 13 "Houston, we've had a problem" recording. My copy is dated 1994 and it has about a five second delay between the CAPCOM's request for a repeat and Lovell's reply. This pretty much destroys Moon Man's theory that the long delay was added by NASA post-1998.

I have the clip. Get me a program to load it besides the one the other dude posted, as that one didn't work.

[JMV]

I just got home from work and listened to a copy of the Apollo 13 "Houston, we've had a problem" recording. My copy is dated 1994 and it has about a five second delay between the CAPCOM's request for a repeat and Lovell's reply. This pretty much destroys Moon Man's theory that the long delay was added by NASA post-1998.

Yes, I remember hearing the long delay in an old documentary I saw many years ago on TV, it might have been Apollo 13: To the Edge and Back. It was originally aired in 1994, which pretty much rules out the possibility of it being edited after the FOX show.