Discussion on "Advice for ATM theory supporters"

[Normandy6644]

Moderator (Nereid): This thread was created by splitting out posts in the Advice for ATM theory supporters thread that are somewhat off the topic.

(That there are 23 tips on this list is not by design. )

Haha, I was wondering about that. Excellent post, good points. I hope this means the tone around here will change for the best.

[Byrd]

Great post! I wonder if it could be pinned to the top or placed somewhere for reference?

[Tensor]

=D> =D> Good Job dgruss. I agree with Byrd. Perhaps a sticky?

[R.A.F.]

=D> =D> Good Job dgruss. I agree with Byrd. Perhaps a sticky?

I totally agree...excellent post! I could learn a thing or 3 from that post. ops: I vote for sticky.

Let me repeat...well done! =D>

[Russ]

Haha, I was wondering about that. Excellent post, good points. I hope this means the tone around here will change for the best.

[nitpick] In the spirit of the above listing, I believe you hope the tone around here will change for the better. [/nitpick]

[Normandy6644]

Haha, I was wondering about that. Excellent post, good points. I hope this means the tone around here will change for the best.

[nitpick] In the spirit of the above listing, I believe you hope the tone around here will change for the better. [/nitpick]

I originally had that, but decided "best" sounded even more optimistic.

[AGN Fuel]

Well said, dgruss23. Definitely stickyworthy! =D>

[dgruss23]

Wow - its a sticky! ops: Thanks BA! Hopefully it helps you out. If so its paying back some debts I might owe you for any chaos I might have caused on BABB over the last 2+ years.

And thanks everyone for the kind feedback!

[dgruss23]

=D> =D> Good Job dgruss. I agree with Byrd. Perhaps a sticky?

I totally agree...excellent post! I could learn a thing or 3 from that post. ops:

BTW - I make no claim that I've managed to successfully adhere to all of those suggestions all the time! ops:

[dgruss23]

Great post!
Now are we allowed to add to the list or is it set to 23? If so I've got another two...
24. Respect is a two-way street, and is proportional to how much you give others.
25. Reading the FAQ is not enough, you've got to follow it as well!!!

Add away. I like those.

[Metricyard]

Well done dgruss23. well done =D>

Add away. I like those.

I'm sure BA has better things to do than baby the board. And it's probably no fun having to ban anyone either.

So I propose some special emoticons, only that BA has access to?
3 would be enough. And if you saw one of the special BA Emoticons pop up, you know that the BA is lurking in the backround.

The special Icon list:
1st - The BA is watching.
2nd -Things are getting out of hand, please tone it down.
3rd - I have a gun and know how to use it.

Might save face for a few people and save BA the trouble of having to ban people.

My 2 cents

[Makgraf]

Great post!
Now are we allowed to add to the list or is it set to 23? If so I've got another two...
24. Respect is a two-way street, and is proportional to how much you give others.
25. Reading the FAQ is not enough, you've got to follow it as well!!!

Okay that's two. Now if we're going to keep the streak you'll need to give 319 more.

(I hate to think of the bandwidth consumed if Normandy6644 jumps into the fray )

[Normandy6644]

Great post!
Now are we allowed to add to the list or is it set to 23? If so I've got another two...
24. Respect is a two-way street, and is proportional to how much you give others.
25. Reading the FAQ is not enough, you've got to follow it as well!!!

Okay that's two. Now if we're going to keep the streak you'll need to give 319 more.

(I hate to think of the bandwidth consumed if Normandy6644 jumps into the fray )

Hahaha. 8-[

[Russ]

[nitpick] In the spirit of the above listing, I believe you hope the tone around here will change for the better. [/nitpick]

I originally had that, but decided "best" sounded even more optimistic.

I must appologize. My high school, senior year English teacher was such a witch about such things that she made me neurotic about them. "What is needed there is a definitive, comparitive! NOT, an abstract subjective!" she would wail in a condecending tone.

She gave a friend of mind an F on an otherwise beautifully written composition for just that mix up. With her, it couldn't have been an A- or some other more reasonable grade.

When my friend took it to the principal, her (the teachers') response was "One either has disiplin in their thinking or one doesn't." :roll: The pricipal flipped the grade (A-), for which the teacher was furious. :roll:

[Normandy6644]

I can see where you're coming from, but rest assured I was aware of the true grammatical construction, but decided to alter it for the sake of....well I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe for the occasion I thought it sounded better.

[Russ]

I can see where you're coming from, but rest assured I was aware of the true grammatical construction, but decided to alter it for the sake of....well I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe for the occasion I thought it sounded better.

I accept your explanation and conceid to your point of view. Just don't let Mrs. Lavelle see it.

Actually, it just occured to me that you are safe. She's probably gone to the great English class in the sky. The lady was in her late 50's when I was a senior 37 years ago. ops: :roll:

[R.A.F.]

Sometimes when a discussion goes bad the regulars here have to take part of the blame as we can get pretty liberal with things like dismissive remarks and use of: :roll:.
This can get the ATM poster riled up and the thread can spiral from there.

As far as recently is concerned, I won't take "part" of the blame...I'll actually take Most of it. I gave a pretty poor showing and it makes me wonder if I should be posting here at all. What I mean is that I come here to help, not to hurt...the BA was correct when he personally said to me...

That is behavior unlikely to result in a happy ending for anyone, and does not induce a rational frame of mind.

I can tell how disappointed he is with me...and truth be told, I'm pretty disappointed with myself...

[David Mc]

I've had my head in the dirt for 6 months or so. What is the ATM Theory?

Thanks for your patience.

[Fram]

ATM = Against The Mainstream. Every theory that goes against the generally accepted ones, from the reasonable (or even the genial) to the wacky, passing by some very disturbing ones on the way
Patron Saint of the ATM'ers: Galileo Galilei.

[Captain Kidd]

I've had my head in the dirt for 6 months or so. What is the ATM Theory?

Thanks for your patience.

hmm, add "an" in front of ATM:
Advice for an Against The Mainstream theory supporter.

Not a single theory, any that falls outside the mainstream science, electric universe, etc.

[Donnie B.]

Would it be worthwhile to add a short list of suggestions for those who are responding to an ATM post? That is, those who are defending the mainstream or challenging the ATM ideas?

After all, it's not just the ATM proponents who sometimes lose their cool in this forum. Remember the dear departed JSPrinceton?

(And I've been on the receiving end of a BA scolding, myself... ) ops:

[dgruss23]

Of course a great irony would occur when a disagreement breaks out over whether or not a new idea should be added - and then the discussion gets heated - and pretty soon bannings result ...

[Enzp]

Cool, I was about to ask. To me ATM means AUtomated Teller Machine. And in more professional surroundings Asyncronous Transfer Mode.

[Donnie B.]

Well, the name of this forum should be a pretty good clue... :wink:

[Jerry]

I'd like to add one. When challenging an accepted concept with an alternate point of view, be sure you fully understand the concept you are trying to challenge. Sometimes, defending an ATM idea is as much effectively demonstrating why existing ideas are wrong as much as showing yourself to be right.

That's really good! You should bold that one. A lot of times Big Bang critics come on with completely incorrect ideas about the BBT.

Hmm ... should I add some of these additional suggestions at the bottom of the original list (with credit to the author) so that they are right there for new people to see? I don't know if I want to do that because I really don't want to become a judge of whose ideas should be added and whose should not be added?

How about a 3 votes approach? If somebody proposes a new suggestion - and 3 other people think it should be added, I'll add it?

Just looking for suggestions here.

Bad Idea! I could never post anything about anything. It implies you need a relatively high level of expertise to challenge the status que, to join in the discussion. It also implies that you must be thoroughly versed in a subject in order to add something meaningful, or ask an insightful question. Quite often, just the opposite is true: a new prospective can provide new insights - especially prospectives from other disciplines. From the mouth of babes...

[Musashi]

But how can you say a concept is wrong if you don't even understand it? That would be like me attempting to correct the scorekeeper at a cricket game.

[aporetic_r]

But how can you say a concept is wrong if you don't even understand it? That would be like me attempting to correct the scorekeeper at a cricket game.

I think of it in terms of something that happened to me in 2nd grade. I wrote some little thing and turned it in to my teacher, but apparently I misspelled one word. She got angry and said "if you didn't know how to spell it, why didn't you ask me?!" Although I didn't say so at the time, the answer seemed obvious to me - I thought I DID know how to spell it! If I didn't think I knew, I would indeed have asked.

I think many ATM people think they do understand the current theory, even though they don't. Thus asking people to understand the theory before they criticize it won't work - they think they already understand it.

You and I both realize that we know absolutely nothing about scoring a cricket game, but I bet each of us thinks we understand some particular thing that we actually do not understand.

Aporetic

[dgruss23]

Ok, I think we'll just leave the list as it is!

[Jerry]

But how can you say a concept is wrong if you don't even understand it? That would be like me attempting to correct the scorekeeper at a cricket game.

...or turning it into baseball?

I don't have to understand Microsoft to know something is wrong with it.

For almost a decade, I have been fantacizing about installing a custom garage door opener for Bill Gates. When he pushed the button, it would wait about three minutes and sound a claxon loud enough for all the neigbors to hear before opening. Bill could not drive a new car into the garage without first upgrading the opener. (Needless to say it would get stuck all the time, and take a call to the power company, shutting down the entire local grid to get it working again.)

Degruss's guildlines are good, but they must not be intimidating - thsi is a discussion board, not a thesis defense. Remember Mr. Obvious? He started out with little background but a great intuition for getting to the bottom of things.

[Skyfire]

But how can you say a concept is wrong if you don't even understand it? That would be like me attempting to correct the scorekeeper at a cricket game.

WHAT!! Sacrilege!!! You just can't do that! In fact you mustn't interrupt the concentration of the scorer! Why?? Read on.....

Didn't you know that scorekeeping in cricket doesn't really have anything to do with what happens out on the field, although many people discuss for HOURS how or why it does/should....

No, in fact cricket scoring is actually part of the PRIME MATH that keeps the Universe revolving! Had you ever wondered why a cricket match GOES ON FOR SO LONG? Some International games last 5 days!! (and they could still end in a drawn result.... a drawn result is NOT the same as a tied game!)

This is purely so that somewhere in the world at any one moment there is ALWAYS a game of cricket on SOMEWHERE! Therefore the process of that PRIME MATH can be continued without interruption at all times.

Otherwise, just think of the consequences!!! The prime math stops.... the Universe grinds to a halt!



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