Lunar Soccer

[David Hall]

I'm not sure what the show is, because I came in at the middle of the show, but I'm watching on the Discovery channel a show about space missions.

Well, they just showed a segment on Apollo, and they showed a really cool film clip. I'd like to see how any HB's could explain this one. The two astronauts (I don't know which mission) are basically kicking around a boulder like a soccer ball. The rock must be almost a meter in diameter and is on a slight slope. The first astronaut gives it a kind of pushing kick, and it started to roll a bit down the hill. The second one then gives it a second kick to send it across the slope.

The neat thing was how the thing acted in the low gravity. First of all, even though it wasn't difficult for them to push, it didn't just take off like a very light ball would. It acted like a massive object, taking some effort to get moving, and then continuing under momentum. Second, it rolled/fell very slowly. But the astronauts of course moved and kicked in real time.

Does anyone know about this sequence? I'd love to find a downloadable clip of it. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[RafaelAustin]

Well, not exactly free, but footage from the Apollo missions area available at:

http://www.spacecraftfilms.com/catalog.html

A friend who ordered one set said it was OK but there were long stretches of silence, no talk between astronauts and command or even some background music. I'll probably end up buying a couple of the Apollo missions and I'd like to get the DVD of the Shuttle mission that takes up the final piece of the ISS if it ever becomes available.

[Papa Bear]

Aw, they'd say, "yeah? we'll that's just a set piece -- made of fabric, glue, 1x2s and chicken wire..."

Their foregone conclusion explains everything.

Except how their minds got so small.

On 2002-12-24 10:17, Papa Bear wrote: To? HUb's 8:18 A.M.
Aw, they'd say, "ye
Yes? i2 would look at it from the camerWomans angle
with special notes about the angle to the sunRAY's
& notes about Earth shadow? Timing as we all know Was what mattered
and to get the right drift to the TRverse
its clear from frame T_oe +9 that the Earth Shine
shadow from Rock hole 1 was .11" delayed as
the beat freak Sun?shad:Earth shine ? shad was a tad Pole displaced {due to magnitsim} of rollig rocks on Moon

[Papa Bear]

On 2002-12-24 11:18, HUb' wrote:

... a tad Pole displaced ...

Yep, I reckon a tadpole on the moon would feel a mite displaced.

[kucharek]

I guess, these were Gene and Jack on Apollo 17 rolling the boulder at Station 8.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17.sta8.html#1665624

166:56:36 Schmitt: Are you ready? Are you ready for this?

166:56:39 Cernan: I'm not sure I am, but go ahead. (Pause)

[Jack flips the rock over with his right foot. It starts to roll toward the Rover, but veers toward the right. Jack follows and kicks it again to keep it going. After a short while, it lands in a shallow depression and stops.]
166:56:50 Schmitt: (To the rock) Go! Roll! Look, I would roll on this slope, why don't you?

166:56:56 Cernan: Five-sixths gravity that's missing. (Pause)

A 55 sec, 0,7M movie clip is at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v_1665636.mov

Harald

<a name="2-12-26.hmm"> page= 2-12-26.hmm aka hmm?
On 2002-12-25 12:47, kucharek wrote:
1
this is Velly interesting?
I did try the download & it was completed
166:56:
the Guesstimated transfer time was 3 min
166:56
HOWEVER? it actually too very close to four(4)
So in theory at least I had 1 to spare?
166:56:50
1:25 A.M. {BWUW}
166:56:56 Cernan: Five-six

A 55 sec, 0,7M movie clip is at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v_1665636.mov

Harald
ye? thanks
I do NOT know now that i have it that i van see it
So later for this ine {1:27 A.M.}

<a name="2-12-26.TRi"> page= 2-12-26.TRi aka Tri
On 2002-12-26 04:20, HUb' wrote: To 1:56 A.M. HUb'


1
this is Velly interesting?
I did try the download & it was completed
1:57 A.M. a minute or two ago i did ..
"right click" start {opened explore}
went to my download directory and clicked the AV.mov
file { in about six seconds a report appeared
that said ActiveMovie could not "RENDER" the file..
I will say i shortened the file name to download
1:25 A.M. {BWUW}
166:56:56 Cernan: Five-six
:01 A.M.and if the file refers back to itself
A 55 sec, 0,7M movie clip is at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v_1665636.mov
this may be the rendering problem
I do not know? clues appriciated on this1

I do NOT know now that i have it that if I Can see it {Could Not}
So later for this ine {1:27 A.M.} was B4 2:04 A.M.
sad movies make me try 2 tri

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HUb' on 2002-12-26 05:01 ]</font>

[David Hall]

On 2002-12-25 12:47, kucharek wrote:

I guess, these were Gene and Jack on Apollo 17 rolling the boulder at Station 8.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17.sta8.html#1665624

166:56:36 Schmitt: Are you ready? Are you ready for this?

166:56:39 Cernan: I'm not sure I am, but go ahead. (Pause)

[Jack flips the rock over with his right foot. It starts to roll toward the Rover, but veers toward the right. Jack follows and kicks it again to keep it going. After a short while, it lands in a shallow depression and stops.]
166:56:50 Schmitt: (To the rock) Go! Roll! Look, I would roll on this slope, why don't you?

166:56:56 Cernan: Five-sixths gravity that's missing. (Pause)

A 55 sec, 0,7M movie clip is at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v_1665636.mov

Harald

That's a good clip, but it's not the one I saw. The camera view was much closer and the hillside was steeper. Also, both astronauts were in view and they both kicked the rock, which was even larger and rounder than this one. In my scene, you can really see the way the rock falls in the lower gravity.

I can only say that it was probably from one of the later missions, since the filming seemed to be from the rover-mounted camera. It was very clear, not fuzzy like this one.

<a name="2-12-27.pP"> page= 2-12-27.pP aka pan PLAN
On 2002-12-26 05:34, David Hall wrote:

On 2002-12-25 12:47, kucharek wrote:

HUb's 5:05 A.M. Math questions about Pan
{um? moving the camera position}
{{ in both TRAIN & Elevation }}
?????????????????????????????????????
as i've said elsewhere My Machine reported
it could not RENDER the ?.mov
{link provided via Germany}
nor do i even have a link to the "steep slope" version
however my "PAN" question refers to eithor OR both
1?
was there any detectable camera angle movement
or was it a single nonveried background frame?
1 2-12-27 7:44 P.M. Level & cross Level
2 as seen in train (360) & elevation (-90 to +90)
3 so? yeah I wonder about tjose angles also
4 now about quicktime I'll give it a try
5 though it will be longer than 1g and not gettable BY me

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HUb' on 2002-12-27 22:40 ]</font>

[David Hall]

HUb', .mov files require the Quicktime player to view. You can get it here, but I don't know how well it'll run on your machine:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qt/

Edit: Here's the download page to the standalone player installer, which is probably what you want:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/

Windows media player and the like will sometimes try to play the file if quicktime is not installed, but of course they will fail. That's my guess as to what's confusing you.

_________________
...And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. --Sir Bedevere

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: David Hall on 2002-12-27 09:08 ]</font>

On 2002-12-27 09:02, David Hall wrote:


http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qt/


http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/


well there were to many hoops for me to jump thru
_________________to even get to the download BYTES

as I recall I had QuickTime on a 486/66 I've not use in years
maybe i'll dig it out of my junk pile &see
if i can find it?

On 2002-12-27 08:04, HUb' wrote: 2-12-29
<a name="2-12-29.pP"> page= 2-12-29.pP aka pan PLAN
On 2002-12-26 05:34, David Hall wrote:

On 2002-12-25 12:47, kucharek wrote:

HUb's 5:05 A.M. Math questions ab

{{ in both TRAIN & Elevation }}









1 2-12-27 7:44 P.M. Level & cross Level
Ref Lunar North; Horizontal Plane; & local Zineth
so was the platform tilted to begin the footage
was the front end DOWN or UP
was the left or right tilted in eithor way
Left front tire on a big rock sort of thing
or had the camerWoman pre stabalized all
referances to TRUE truth{ths}? back to Fi_x_all

[Ian R]

Here is the clip that I think David is talking about. It's from Apollo 17 at Geology Station 2:

http://www.solarviews.com/cap/apo/apo17e.htm

After comparing this MOV file to the transcripts at the ALSJ, it appears that audio from different parts of the original transmission have been edited together and put to the video of Cernan and Schmitt kicking the boulder around. See the actual TV footage of this event here (around 1:18 into the clip):

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1433218.ram

It's annoying when 3rd parties muck around with the footage, but thank goodness for the Surface Journal's unedited transmissions and transcripts.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ian R on 2002-12-29 14:51 ]</font>

[David Hall]

Thank you Ian. That certainly looks like the one. The video clips don't do it justice though, especially the real video. You can hardly see what they're doing in them. The one I saw on TV was crystal clear. I wish everyone could've seen it, it gives a much different feeling from these little clips, especially in the way the rock moves.

Interesting thing about the voiceover. Even though somebody put in the wrong audio, it really seemed to fit the shot. The TV version didn't have any audio BTW, just a voiceover narrative that didn't even discuss the scene itself.

I like at the end of the realplayer version though how they bunnyhopped back to the rover. It seemed a bit comical the way they were bouncing around while at the same time talking on about their business as if they're just walking along. There's definitely something spooky about that movement. There's no way a person in a full body suit could move like that in Earth gravity. I don't think it could be done even with wires and slo-mo video.

Oh, and didja notice that the ground control person warned them not to hit the rover with the rock? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[David Hall]

D'oh! And I just noticed the .mov clip version is from the A-17 documentary "On the Shoulders of Giants". I've had it on my hard drive all along and I never knew it because I haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

*slaps self with a wet fish*

[Ian R]

Oops! I missed that little piece of information too. I think I have that film on tape somewhere.

Pass me the fish when you're finished, David. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[David Hall]

You might want to get a new fish instead. This one is starting to look a bit worn out. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

I found the segment in the "Giants" documentary. It's at about 14:30 in, if anyone has it and wants to see for themselves.

On 2002-12-29 17:30, David Hall wrote:


at about 14:30 in,

ahha now i'll get some where & pretty soon2
REMember my videos are 4sail also million$/microsecond scan time
I think I once figgured it out as 20 trillion/frame
or maybe it was per second .. I 4get 4now