Unified Field Theory in the Bible?

[Caryn]

http://www.unifiedftheory.com/

[AstroMike]

Sigh. Another hit and run from a troll. Is anybody getting tired of this?

[Firefox]

I know I am.

While I doubt Caryn will respond...say, Caryn, have you thought up an answer to the question I posed in the Geocentrism thread?


-Adam

[Silas]

Where in the Bible does it mention quantization of energy, planck's constant, electricity, the atomic theory of elements, any power law of scale, or gravity?

Nowhere. Caryn is blowing smoke, as oft erst.

Silas

[Graybeard6]

When we look for science in the Bible, we must remember that it states that the value of pi is 3. (KJV, I Kings, 7:23)

[nebularain]

You have to read through the "Table of Contents & Excerpts the Treatise" link to see what this book is about. It sounds to me like he's using the Bible - or rather The Bible Code (which is controversial by Christian and non-Christian scholars alike) to support his ideas rather than using his ideas to support the Bible.

I think you can get the gist of where he's going with this excerpt:

Physicists, astronomers and cosmologists are trying to conceive a unified theory that will explain the origin of the big bang and the universe that is around us.

This can be achieved by combining the theory of relativity (theory of space and time) and quantum mechanics (theory of matter). The theory of relativity represents four dimensions—three of space and fourth is "time." Time is a human concept or invention that describes "movement in space." Theorists have long sought to unite gravity with quantum field theory to create a "theory of everything."

For the past decade, the leading candidate for achieving such a unification has been the Super String Theory. This theory unifies the four known fundamental forces that govern our known universe, and will explain the moment of the big bang. However, no scientist can ever experimentally verify the super string theory.

The approach that I have taken to find a solution to the unified field theory is different from that of the theoretical physicists, astronomers, and cosmologists. The difference is due to "the reason" that lead me to look for "The Answer."

My goal in the unification is also to find a theory of everything.

What is everything?

Is everything what we see, hear, touch, smell, and taste?

Or, is everything that we know about ourselves and the universe that we live?

Or, both?

All our thoughts and knowledge, whether theoretical or experimental originated, stored, and retrieved from our minds. Our perception of the universe (including ourselves) is directly proportional to the knowledge that we have acquired about it. Everything from the big bang theory to understanding the function and ability of the human mind come from the mind. The brain is the most complex structure that is known in the universe.

The human brain is the most complexly organized form of matter in the known universe. Some scholars had calculated that the number of possible permutations and combinations of brain activity exceeds the number of elementary particles in the known universe.

And this excerpt:

Our soul is nothing but "light particles" or photons that are trapped within us and it is the "fifth dimension" mentioned in the book "The Bible Code."

NOTE: His "theory of relativity" is also encoded. In fact, the full understanding of the universe that eluded Einstein, the Unified Field Theory, may also have been encoded in the Bible 3000 years ago. With his name, the one time it appears, and again with the theory of relativity, the code gives the same clue: "Add a fifth part."
Apparently the answer that Einstein was seeking will be found not in our three dimensions of space, or in his fourth dimension of time, but in the fifth dimension that all quantum physicists now agree exists.

"The most ancient religious texts," noted Rips, "also state that there is a fifth dimension. They call it 'a depth of good and a depth of evil.'"

(I believe he's arguing that the 5th dimension is what religions refer to as "the spiritual realm.")

The whole thing makes for an interesting read if you are philosophically-oriented (enjoy playing with ideas without necessarily having to agree or disagree on any particulars). Of course if you are close-minded to the notion of the existance of a "soul," it might put a damper on things.

[Peter B]

And I notice that the site mentions Michael Drosnin on the second line.

That's a no-no.

Drosnin was involved in a book called "The Bible Code" which claimed that all sorts of secret messages had been hidden in the Old Testament. The problem is that the whole concept is bogus - a visit to any decent skeptical web-site (such as the Skeptics Dictionary) should put that one to rest.

[Digital Apprentice]

(I believe he's arguing that the 5th dimension is what religions refer to as "the spiritual realm.")

Either that or the author was listening far too many repeats of the 1969 Top 40 hit Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (lyrics) and the talk of understanding, harmony (unity?), and light just rotted out his brain. The group that created that insidious recording? The Fifth Dimension. Oooo, spooky!

D.

(edit: corrected messed up UBB code)

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[ljbrs]

When we look for science in the Bible, we must remember that it states that the value of pi is 3. (KJV, I Kings, 7:23)

In the latter part of the 19th Century, the Indiana House decreed that pi was equal to 3. So, I guess, "what goes around, comes around..." ad infinitum.

I think that Creationists would like to see the measurement of pi return to a mathematically primitive era. Perhaps they should additionally go back to a primitive epoch, such that all modern conveniences which depend upon mathematics and physics would not exist. Then they would not be able to post anything, because computers would not exist, either.

Without modern mathematics, measurements of the universe would be quite impossible.

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[Silas]

On 2002-10-15 21:43, ljbrs wrote:
In the latter part of the 19th Century, the Indiana House decreed that pi was equal to 3.

Not exactly... What happened is that a math teacher (and crank) asked the legislature to approve his theory. The lower house adopted it, but the upper house tabled it, after a *real* math teacher (who was, by good fortune, in the observation gallery) managed to make his voice heard.

The actual text of the proposed legislation, incorporating the crank geometry of the original beneficiary, is impenetrable. It's a hocus-pocus of bad geometry which can't be explicitly solved.

Source: "A History of Pi" by Petr Beckmann, St. Martin's Press, 1971. Beckmann was a member of the Electrical Engineering Department of the University of Colorado. I very highly recommend this book to every one and all.

Silas

[GrapesOfWrath]

On 2002-10-15 17:25, Firefox wrote:
While I doubt Caryn will respond...say, Caryn, have you thought up an answer to the question I posed in the Geocentrism thread?

Do you mean this one? You're going to have to be more specific, or include links. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[Firefox]

This thread, actually. I was simply asking in regards to visual observations, and the fact that we have a satellite orbiting another planet.

Which reminds me, what is it that made your decision that Geocentrism was wrong, besides the fact that it discards all other possible reference frames according to GR?


-Adam

[tjm220]

On 2002-10-15 19:53, Graybeard6 wrote:
When we look for science in the Bible, we must remember that it states that the value of pi is 3. (KJV, I Kings, 7:23)

It isn't stated but implied. Lacking the decimal system we now have, a value of 3 is a pretty good approximation for the ancient Hebrews. The New Living Translation includes the word "about" in that verse taking into account that pi is slighty more than 3.

[JS Princeton]

Of course, the Egyptians and the Babylonians knew pi to better precision than "about 3". Maybe their Gods are more trustworthy?

Point being that it's ridiculous to hold a religion to a scientific standard.

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[tjm220]

Of course, the Egyptians and the Babylonians knew pi to better precision than "about 3". Maybe they're Gods are more trustworthy?

Yes they did know it better, too bad their civilizations are gone.

Point being that it's ridiculous to hold a religion to a scientific standard.

Agreed, different purposes for each.




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[The Bad Astronomer]

It has come to my attention that Caryn is an alias for Spoq. I invited him to leave in the old board days, and now he is back under this pseudonym. I have banned him. This thread is locked.